Serena--too heavy, injury prone and unfocused

Camilio Pascual said:
She has fallen all the way from #1 to #4. Hardly unprecedented.
I haven't seen anything in this thread that wasn't basically said about Navratilova early in her career.
I'm trying to think of somebody who WAS one of the 7 or 8 greatest by age 23.
.....Mo Connolly. That's it.
I think her injuries are the biggest problem.
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Maybe some of her injuries are caused by her weight. That's a lot of pounding on her joints on hard court. Her knees, hip, etc. She's 23 for God's sake and she's hurt so often.

Chris, Steffi and Seles were all top 8 players of all time by 23. Check out Evert's record. And Graf--she completed a grand slam AND the Gold Medal at the age of what, 19? I believe Seles already had 10 majors by the age of 22.

Also, Serena has fallen to number 10, to number 7. How many tournaments has she won in the last two years?
 
johnmcc516 said:
Basically, if she ever wants to dominate tennis, she needs to lose weight, lose the attitude, lose the sexy clothes on a beastly woman, and concentrate on playing better. I don't think she has what it takes.
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She doesn't have what it takes for what? Win a half dozen or so Majors or be ranked #1?
 
I've been as big a critic of Serena in particular as anyone. That said, her place in history is locked. She's won 7 Grand Slam titles, and will probably win 3 or 4 more before she's through. That would give her 10 - 11 total.

From a historical perspective, she's tied for 11th with Evonne Goolagong and Maria Bueno. The three have 7 each.

Who's ahead of her?

Monica Seles and Maureen Connolly 9 titles each

Billie Jean King 12 titles

Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert 18 titles each

Steffi Graf Agassi 21 titles

Margaret Court 24 titles


It's pretty clear that for any argument for GOAT on the women's side you're going to need 18 or more titles. Many have said that Seles had the potential to be there, and I don't doubt it. Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure. However, with regard to Serena Williams, right now, IMO, she's on par with Evonne Goolagong. Goolagong was one of my personal favorites to watch, but she's no Chris Evert or Martina Navratilova or Billie Jean King or Steffi Graf. She may have beaten any of them from time to time, but when discussing a champion's champion, you have to look at the top of the list.

Serena could make it. I've said on this thread and I'll say it again. In order to make it to the top, Serena is going to have to dedicate herself to tennis, lock stock and barrel. She is unwilling to do that. I think that she is also going to learn an important lesson once she's out of tennis. She's not going to have Hollywood or New York knocking her door down with acting and fashion opportunities. She's a millionaire because of her abilities on a tennis court, not the soundstage or design board. IMO, she'd better give it all she has because once it's gone, it's going to be gone forever and she'll have regrets. I still think she's brainwashed by her father, which in one respect is a good thing. She believes that she is the best to ever pick up a racket. While she learned self-promoting from her father, she never learned an axiom that the Aussies made famous. She should let her racket do the talking. From a historic perspective, Serena is average in the measure of other champions.
 
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The proof is in the pudding. She needs to either lose weight or go up a size in tennis attire.
 
without tennis, she would be nothing, and she doesn`t how to design, all her clothing just bunch of BS, have u ever seen anybody in the park or any tournament wearing her design, NOT. Cause it just simply stupid. Her ass as big as her ego. loose about 35 lbs please and stop designing your own clothing let the pro do all the job.Your job is loosing weight and smack the ball
 
mmmm interesting..........anyone care to comment. I do know when my wife suffers hormonal migraines she cant even lift her head off the pillow let alone play tennis.

Tennis star Serena Williams pushes headache relief

Steven Wine
Canadian Press


Tuesday, April 12, 2005

MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP) - With a new book out and a reality TV series in the works, tennis star Serena Williams embarked Monday on her latest project: raising awareness about menstrual migraines.

It's a malady rarely discussed in sports, and Williams was reluctant at first to talk about the headaches that have been a recurring pain for her over the past five years.

"I don't want Venus Williams or Lindsay Davenport saying, 'Oh boy, she has a headache. I'm going to take her out today,"' Serena said.

But Williams changed her mind and agreed to endorse the migraine medicine she has been taking for six months. The deal provides more fodder for detractors who say she should concentrate on tennis, but she insists there's room in her life for acting, writing, fashion design, hawking headache pills - and winning Grand Slam titles, too.

Is she on a mission to prove the critics wrong?

"I'm on a mission for building my brand," she said with a laugh, "and helping others."

The Serena brand includes a new advice book for preteens she wrote with sister Venus. Shooting began last week for a reality show starring the sisters that will air on ABC Family in July.

And now the most dominating, intimidating player in women's tennis is pushing headache relief. Seated poolside Monday on a hotel roof 22 storeys above South Beach, Williams said she wanted to spread the word that while menstrual migraines can be debilitating, they also can be treated.

For Williams, they start with a dull ache that build to a throb. The back of her eyes hurt and her ears ring. Sometimes she becomes dizzy and nauseated.

"You want to just crawl under your bed and stay there," she said.

Tennis compounded the symptoms.

"I know it doesn't look like it affected my tennis," said Williams, winner of seven Grand Slam titles. "But especially in the sun, playing with a migraine makes it worse. In Australia it's not that easy. I remember playing Martina Hingis in Sydney, and I was just out of it."

Williams has been hampered throughout her career by injuries and illness. Knee surgery in August 2003 contributed to an 18-month drought without a major title, and she retired from a match last week at Amelia Island because of a sprained ankle that could prevent her from playing for the U.S. Fed Cup team against Belgium on April 23-24.

But until now, she never spoke of menstrual migraines.

"With people who have to perform at a high level, a lot of times they don't want others to know they have migraine," said Dr. Jan Lewis Brandes, a neurologist Williams joined in the campaign to raise awareness about the ailment. "We've had difficulty in the past getting national celebrity spokespersons."

Williams said she tried various medications that failed to help and was even unsure about the diagnosis.

"Some doctors tell you it's mental," she said. "One of my doctors actually told me that - 'You have to get over it. There's nothing really wrong with you. You just think it is when it gets to be that time of the month.' I was thinking, 'I've got to be more mentally tough."'
Migraines weren't the reason Williams went without a major title last year. But she did blame the ailment for at least one defeat: against qualifier Alina Jidkova at Linz, Austria, in October.

"It was the last straw," she said. "I lost to this girl I would never lose to because I had such an incredible headache."

A doctor then recommended she try the medication Frova. Williams said she hasn't had a migraine since.

"I want to tell women my story," she said, "to let them know there is hope and they should seek help."
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kooyah said:
Okay, it's been how many years and she's still making excuses?
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I assume you are female, as a male and gentleman, you would have probably taken her word for it, being in ignorance of what a menstrual migraine feels like. Just because menstrual migraines don't occur to you or bother you doesn't mean it isn't a REAL problem for other females. My daughter suffers from it and it can vary from not so bad to terrible.
If you are a male...your attitude is, well, I'll refrain from saying, there will be no changing your attitude today.
 
Rabbit said:
... In order to make it to the top, Serena is going to have to dedicate herself to tennis, lock stock and barrel. She is unwilling to do that. I think that she is also going to learn an important lesson once she's out of tennis. She's not going to have Hollywood or New York knocking her door down with acting and fashion opportunities. She's a millionaire because of her abilities on a tennis court, not the soundstage or design board. IMO, she'd better give it all she has because once it's gone, it's going to be gone forever and she'll have regrets. I still think she's brainwashed by her father, which in one respect is a good thing. She believes that she is the best to ever pick up a racket. While she learned self-promoting from her father, she never learned an axiom that the Aussies made famous. She should let her racket do the talking. From a historic perspective, Serena is average in the measure of other champions.
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Agree. And she should get herself a topnotch professional tennis coach. She will get to the Hall of Fame on what she has accomplished so far, but she could do so much more.
 
I take her word for her menstrual headaches. I dont think she would make something like that up. I doubt that ties to her excessive weight though, that hinders her from playing her best as well.
 
That headache is just the result of her inflated noggin. Someone needs to give her fat-a a reality check.
 
This is not a debate on whether or not men are ignorant of menstrual migraines. The fact is that migraines are debilitating regardless of which sex suffers from them. It would have been admirable if Serena was truly dedicating herself to the plight of people suffering migraines but she blew it completely when she stated in this article "I'm on a mission for building my brand," she said with a laugh, "and helping others." The Serena brand includes a new advice book for preteens she wrote with sister Venus. Shooting began last week for a reality show starring the sisters that will air on ABC Family in July.

Note how she mentioned “building her brand" first then finally added "and helping others” and then got a plug in for their advice book and reality show. That’s the point that gets to me; it just basically comes down to publicity for herself.

Not to miss an opportunity she also stated “ I remember playing Martina Hingis in Sydney, and I was just out of it.” I agree with kooyahs quote “Okay, it’s been how many years and she’s still making excuses”. That was my observation as well, will she ever be able to say my opponent was just too good on the day? Rabbits comments were spot on “Serena could make it. In order to make it to the top, Serena is going to have to dedicate herself to tennis, lock stock and barrel. She is unwilling to do that.”

She herself is quoted as saying "I'm an actress, model and athlete, and I'd put athlete third on the list."

I’d like to say to her “yes Serena, we are very aware of that”
 
Haka Boy said:
She herself is quoted as saying "I'm an actress, model and athlete, and I'd put athlete third on the list."
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She is delusional. As stated before, if not for tennis, she wouldn't even get a chance to do the "so called" actress and model thing. She is awful at those two endeavors. She was, and can still be, an outstanding tennis player. However, as stated before, if she stops winning majors and continues with her arrogant ways, no one will care about Serena. She makes it very hard to like her.
 
Now, now boys. Give Serena some slack . Now, those of you who are not into women's health issues, look away. (I knew you would all still be here) Serena has decided to tell the world of women about her pre-menstrual migraine headaches, and the drug she takes that have given her so much relief (msn.com) no endorsement, just that she was so happy to have relief from the headaches that everyone was questioning and that were infering with her tennis. And anyone who suffers from migraines, male or female, will understand why she is so happy.
 
Ummmm.....this is silly

Hello, I'm new to the site and just had to post a response to this thread. Now, I agree with the fact that Serena could probably stand to lose a little weight and improve her conditioning, which I think would go a long way towards improving some of her results and limiting injuries. However, I have to wonder about some of the comments in this thread. To call Serena fat is silly to me. She's muscular yes, that's her body type. Some people gain more muscle mass than others. I mean, she's not hitting 250, thats fat. And she's still able to play tennis competitively and win, while being so " fat". I wonder how many on this site could say the same thing..........
 
This is my first post on this messageboard. I think that Serena's figure is just fine, it just that she needs to decide if she wants to be a full-time actress, fashion designer or a tennis player.
 
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