Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Nadalgaenger, Jun 6, 2013.
Top 50 probably, MAYBE top 20, but seriously don't think she would beat ANY top 10 player.
What is your argument that he couldn't exactly? You say that she could even beat a prime Bjorn Borg since Mac Beat him?
Firstly, Mac has the year winning record (or one of) in the open era with over 80+ matches and only 3 loses(Better than Novak, Federer and Nadal). He would have had more slams if it weren't that nobody cared to play the Australian open back then. Mac would have destroyed Serena back then, because of the surface were faster and his incredible speed/dexterity/reflexes. Johnny mac lost a step after 25 and that crippled his game. But in essence no, she would have been trashed if he were in his prime and she hers.
You are of the opinion that anyone who has actually watched both of them play currently will definitely be persuaded that Serena will triumph.
My point is that there are plenty of people who have watched both play currently and conclude that Mac would beat Serena.
Surely you meant top-1000 and top-2000, right?
I was trying not be so hard on the original post.
Again, the idea is beyond pointless, and It's a cheap stunt. McEnroe would end up with a joint result: looking like a desperate fool clawing for attention / losing respect from everyone. That would lead him to try to save face (after being crushed by a mountain of embarrassment) by pulling the following....
"see? it was me being the latter-day funnyman!! You cannot be serious! Remember that one, folks? Please??"
Beyond idiocy in this thread. I've seen Mac and Serena many times in person. If you don't have this experience, then why weigh in on this thread? So many people posting don't even know who John McEnroe is and have NEVER seen him play, whether it's 1985 or 2015. Yet they post with narcissistic "authority."
Mac, 6-2, 6-2.
I've watched both in person--McEnroe during his pro tour years, and he's not that player anymore. He is in his senior years, so no matter what strategy he thinks remains, its not like muscle memory; his body cannot react to thought as in 1980, or even 1990. Of course, some allow their ill agenda to keep threads of this kind going, as it is one of the ways used to try to "take down" a woman who has been making history time after time since the 2014 USO. That is too much for them to take, so, in comes nonsense threads of this kind.
If John McEnroe has an ounce of sense left, he will avoid turning himself into a pariah for the 21st century / universal joke.
I think Johnny Mac is secure enough that he wouldn't feel too much shame if he lost. I mean, he's an old man. Clearly it's just for fun. It's some of you who are taking it so seriously.
I don't see it as a Serena bash to suggest she plays a man, I see it as a compliment. She's far too good for the players on the women's tour, she wins even at 40% against them when she has serious physical problems. It makes sense to put her in a new, more interesting, more challenging match-up.
There was an old interview wherein Johnny Mac asked Andy Murray about how the top women would do against male pros.
The exact numbers escape me. But Mac was actually the first to suggest that #1 woman would be comparable to something like #500 man.
Murray acted surprised and responded that it's more like #2000.
Again, I don't remember the exact rankings given by both Mac and Murray. Does anyone remember this interview?
Ok, I tracked down the interview.
Henman pressed Mac to give a number. So Mac says that the top woman could be ranked 600 in the ATP. Then Murray says that he would be surprised if any woman could be ranked inside 1000.
It seems like now would be a perfect time for this kind of event!
And maybe the WTA could pay JMac to lose on purpose and look completely discombobulated out there!
I hadn't even thought about the threatening of linespeople!
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Did he really say he could beat her? Lol. He CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
Yes he said this 5 or 6 years ago.
Well, 5-6 years ago, she was recovering from an injury that could have killed her. A blood clot, for those of you thinking that I am being hyperbolic. So, yeah, even I could beat someone at death's door.
Such little respect for the women. See this is the kind of problem men never have to face, yet they seem to always be moaning and bitching about how they have most of the power as opposed to all of it.
Don't bump these clickbait threads. I always get excited for nothing.
I totally agree. I see that something new was posted and I'm convinced "maybe they are going to play after all!"
Sorry, but that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read
What! did you ever see JMac play in his prime
I really wish this could happen now.
I am not sure if JMac could hold her off with his age but it would be a fun event for tennis. But not very politically correct. JMac would be a villain if he somehow won! Serena would clown around and pretend not to try potentially if she realized she was in trouble.
I think they asked her during the Australian open how she thinks she'd do against a Top 200 guy and she's was just like, "I'm pretty focused on women's tennis right now."
I seriously doubt she could beat a top guy ranked inside the top 200 though. I know she's a fantastic player and has probably the best serve in women's tennis, but she tried before and lost to Karsten Braasch, and this was when she was a lot younger, so she could run faster and not tire out so easily. A 35 year old Serena vs top 200 ranked man - she'd be lucky to win more than 3 games in 2 sets against him.
But how would she do right now against JMac?
Yeah, I reckon she probably has a decent shot, considering he's definitely getting up there.
Serena wouldn't beat neither him nor any professional male player in the Top 300.
It's just too different.
I comfortably beat Camilia Giorgi a few months before she made the round of 16 at wimbledon.. Women hit very very flat, cant handle spin, cant volley, serve is very weak etc... that being said I played div 1 a couple years at a below average school..
Lindsay Davenport has said she can't beat her husband and you have no idea who her husband is. McEnroe would destroy Serena.
McEnroe won ATP doubles title in San Jose in 2006 so I think the idea that his level has fallen off a huge amount is unlikely.
When Chris Evert was #1, it was said that she couldn't beat her brother John who was playing for Auburn at the time, and not even on the circuit.
I'm not saying Serena could or couldn't beat him...I think the time for this match was 2012 or 13. But I wouldn't put too much stock in the Karsten Braasch story. She was 16, and although she had scored some good wins, she was still losing to players like Sanchez Vicario. It wasn't until the next year she started owning ASV, took a win off Graf and won her first slam at the end of the season. She really didn't hit her prime until her early 20s. I think she learned a little humility ( y her standards anyway) from the incident, though.
seriously? I was good enough to play lower-tier D1 tennis too but I don't think I could beat a WTA player
Disagree. A doubles event from a decade ago is not a good indicator of how a now-57 year old man would fair on the singles court.
Lol so you're saying a serena at 16 is better then a serena at 35? Haha good one
I agree with stuff like this and yet when I watch Coco v Bouchard, they sure seem to hit very hard. Mens tennis doesnt look (on tv) like it's that much better than womens tennis.
Mac & Sere should do it for the sport but WTA hard shots are sub-routine balls for ATP. Mac would "play" and if Sere would happy up a bit it could be a fun event.
I don't know if you have watched the players live in the stadium (you didn't mention in your comment). I haven't yet had the chance to watch even a 250 level event of either tour. But I did attend CTL once and saw Cornet v/s Pennetta and RBA v/s Giraldo. Obviously I enjoyed the former more as the latter was terribly one sided. But what i found is the men seemed to have more easy power. I remember one really long rally which Giraldo finally settled by unleashing a rocket. I didn't see the women go for rallies of a comparable length. Maybe they didn't want to tactically but it's important to note that their most attacking game was about as hard as the easy, DEFENSIVE game of the men. This is just one sample and how much it reflects the tours in general I can't tell but it is consistent with what is mentioned in other comments above.
Worst idea ever
Trump wanted to make this match happen long before he was President!
Check this McEnroe interview out:
It proves nothing either way.
I to thought this match was going to happen.
But I enjoyed reading the comments.
For what it's worth, I don't think Williams would win. I think:
1. She'd feel the pressure too much, and she's more susceptible to that in recent times.
2. McEnroe would throw slice and dinks her way that she rarely ever sees on the Tour.
That said, I think she'd get some free points on serve, and return. But basically I think her movement would be exposed.
Be fun if it actually happened. But I don't think it ever will. And I can't imagine the WTA would be happy.
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