Serena vs. JMac Exhibition

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Nadalgaenger, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. JohnnyMac Fan!

    JohnnyMac Fan! Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,672
    Top 50 probably, MAYBE top 20, but seriously don't think she would beat ANY top 10 player.
     
    MasturB likes this.
  2. JohnnyMac Fan!

    JohnnyMac Fan! Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,672
    What is your argument that he couldn't exactly? You say that she could even beat a prime Bjorn Borg since Mac Beat him?

    Firstly, Mac has the year winning record (or one of) in the open era with over 80+ matches and only 3 loses(Better than Novak, Federer and Nadal). He would have had more slams if it weren't that nobody cared to play the Australian open back then. Mac would have destroyed Serena back then, because of the surface were faster and his incredible speed/dexterity/reflexes. Johnny mac lost a step after 25 and that crippled his game. But in essence no, she would have been trashed if he were in his prime and she hers.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2015
    PDJ and Poisoned Slice like this.
  3. scotus

    scotus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,191
    You are of the opinion that anyone who has actually watched both of them play currently will definitely be persuaded that Serena will triumph.

    My point is that there are plenty of people who have watched both play currently and conclude that Mac would beat Serena.
     
    JohnnyMac Fan! likes this.
  4. tacou

    tacou Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    8,813
    Yep..
     
  5. Underhand

    Underhand Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    6,547
    Location:
    Serve'n Valley
    LULz
     
    metsman and JohnnyMac Fan! like this.
  6. mattennis

    mattennis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    2,313
    Surely you meant top-1000 and top-2000, right?
     
    PDJ, metsman and BeatlesFan like this.
  7. JohnnyMac Fan!

    JohnnyMac Fan! Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,672
    I was trying not be so hard on the original post.:cool:
     
  8. THUNDERVOLLEY

    THUNDERVOLLEY G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,862
    Again, the idea is beyond pointless, and It's a cheap stunt. McEnroe would end up with a joint result: looking like a desperate fool clawing for attention / losing respect from everyone. That would lead him to try to save face (after being crushed by a mountain of embarrassment) by pulling the following....

    [​IMG]

    "see? it was me being the latter-day funnyman!! You cannot be serious! Remember that one, folks? Please??"
     
    Levi_Ackerman and JohnnyMac Fan! like this.
  9. BeatlesFan

    BeatlesFan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    3,566
    Location:
    California
    Beyond idiocy in this thread. I've seen Mac and Serena many times in person. If you don't have this experience, then why weigh in on this thread? So many people posting don't even know who John McEnroe is and have NEVER seen him play, whether it's 1985 or 2015. Yet they post with narcissistic "authority."

    Mac, 6-2, 6-2.
     
    PDJ, ghostofMecir and JohnnyMac Fan! like this.
  10. THUNDERVOLLEY

    THUNDERVOLLEY G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,862
    I've watched both in person--McEnroe during his pro tour years, and he's not that player anymore. He is in his senior years, so no matter what strategy he thinks remains, its not like muscle memory; his body cannot react to thought as in 1980, or even 1990. Of course, some allow their ill agenda to keep threads of this kind going, as it is one of the ways used to try to "take down" a woman who has been making history time after time since the 2014 USO. That is too much for them to take, so, in comes nonsense threads of this kind.

    If John McEnroe has an ounce of sense left, he will avoid turning himself into a pariah for the 21st century / universal joke.
     
    Soianka likes this.
  11. Down_the_line

    Down_the_line Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Messages:
    8,840
    Location:
    Cochrane, Canada
    I think Johnny Mac is secure enough that he wouldn't feel too much shame if he lost. I mean, he's an old man. Clearly it's just for fun. It's some of you who are taking it so seriously.
     
    PDJ and Levi_Ackerman like this.
  12. fps

    fps Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    5,834
    Location:
    Brighton, England
    I don't see it as a Serena bash to suggest she plays a man, I see it as a compliment. She's far too good for the players on the women's tour, she wins even at 40% against them when she has serious physical problems. It makes sense to put her in a new, more interesting, more challenging match-up.
     
    Levi_Ackerman and JohnnyMac Fan! like this.
  13. scotus

    scotus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,191
    There was an old interview wherein Johnny Mac asked Andy Murray about how the top women would do against male pros.

    The exact numbers escape me. But Mac was actually the first to suggest that #1 woman would be comparable to something like #500 man.

    Murray acted surprised and responded that it's more like #2000.

    Again, I don't remember the exact rankings given by both Mac and Murray. Does anyone remember this interview?
     
  14. scotus

    scotus G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,191
    Ok, I tracked down the interview.

    Henman pressed Mac to give a number. So Mac says that the top woman could be ranked 600 in the ATP. Then Murray says that he would be surprised if any woman could be ranked inside 1000.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8780054.stm
     
  15. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,865
    Location:
    Houston
    It seems like now would be a perfect time for this kind of event!

    And maybe the WTA could pay JMac to lose on purpose and look completely discombobulated out there!
     
  16. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,865
    Location:
    Houston
    I hadn't even thought about the threatening of linespeople!
     
  17. heninfan99

    heninfan99 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    14,139
    Djokovic to ref
     
  18. Levi_Ackerman

    Levi_Ackerman Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2015
    Messages:
    8,470
    Location:
    London, United Kingdom
    Did he really say he could beat her? Lol. He CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
     
  19. heninfan99

    heninfan99 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    14,139
    Yes he said this 5 or 6 years ago.
     
  20. Levi_Ackerman

    Levi_Ackerman Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2015
    Messages:
    8,470
    Location:
    London, United Kingdom
    Well, 5-6 years ago, she was recovering from an injury that could have killed her. A blood clot, for those of you thinking that I am being hyperbolic. So, yeah, even I could beat someone at death's door.
     
  21. Levi_Ackerman

    Levi_Ackerman Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2015
    Messages:
    8,470
    Location:
    London, United Kingdom
    Such little respect for the women. See this is the kind of problem men never have to face, yet they seem to always be moaning and bitching about how they have most of the power as opposed to all of it.
     
    Soianka likes this.
  22. Levi_Ackerman

    Levi_Ackerman Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2015
    Messages:
    8,470
    Location:
    London, United Kingdom
    +1
     
  23. merwy

    merwy Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2011
    Messages:
    7,137
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Don't bump these clickbait threads. I always get excited for nothing.
     
    PDJ, heninfan99 and Vanhool like this.
  24. Qubax

    Qubax Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2009
    Messages:
    1,079
    Location:
    Canada
    I totally agree. I see that something new was posted and I'm convinced "maybe they are going to play after all!"
     
    PDJ likes this.
  25. JEDBERG1

    JEDBERG1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    Sorry, but that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read
     
    Chanwan and jm1980 like this.
  26. JEDBERG1

    JEDBERG1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    What! did you ever see JMac play in his prime
     
    Kalin likes this.
  27. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,865
    Location:
    Houston
    I really wish this could happen now.

    I am not sure if JMac could hold her off with his age but it would be a fun event for tennis. But not very politically correct. JMac would be a villain if he somehow won! Serena would clown around and pretend not to try potentially if she realized she was in trouble.
     
    Big_Dangerous likes this.
  28. Big_Dangerous

    Big_Dangerous G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    14,042
    Location:
    Locked in a Sewretchian Vault
    I think they asked her during the Australian open how she thinks she'd do against a Top 200 guy and she's was just like, "I'm pretty focused on women's tennis right now."

    I seriously doubt she could beat a top guy ranked inside the top 200 though. I know she's a fantastic player and has probably the best serve in women's tennis, but she tried before and lost to Karsten Braasch, and this was when she was a lot younger, so she could run faster and not tire out so easily. A 35 year old Serena vs top 200 ranked man - she'd be lucky to win more than 3 games in 2 sets against him.
     
  29. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,865
    Location:
    Houston
    But how would she do right now against JMac?
     
    Big_Dangerous likes this.
  30. Big_Dangerous

    Big_Dangerous G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    14,042
    Location:
    Locked in a Sewretchian Vault
    Yeah, I reckon she probably has a decent shot, considering he's definitely getting up there.
     
  31. StanTheMan

    StanTheMan Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2015
    Messages:
    1,367
    Serena wouldn't beat neither him nor any professional male player in the Top 300.

    It's just too different.
     
  32. NotSoSuper

    NotSoSuper Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2009
    Messages:
    384
    I comfortably beat Camilia Giorgi a few months before she made the round of 16 at wimbledon.. Women hit very very flat, cant handle spin, cant volley, serve is very weak etc... that being said I played div 1 a couple years at a below average school..
     
  33. bjk

    bjk Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,751
    Lindsay Davenport has said she can't beat her husband and you have no idea who her husband is. McEnroe would destroy Serena.
     
    PDJ likes this.
  34. bjk

    bjk Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,751
    McEnroe won ATP doubles title in San Jose in 2006 so I think the idea that his level has fallen off a huge amount is unlikely.
     
    PDJ likes this.
  35. Ironwood

    Ironwood Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2009
    Messages:
    925
    Location:
    North of the 49th!
    When Chris Evert was #1, it was said that she couldn't beat her brother John who was playing for Auburn at the time, and not even on the circuit.
     
    PDJ and alex527 like this.
  36. Vanhool

    Vanhool Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2012
    Messages:
    4,458
    Location:
    Aloha State
    I'm not saying Serena could or couldn't beat him...I think the time for this match was 2012 or 13. But I wouldn't put too much stock in the Karsten Braasch story. She was 16, and although she had scored some good wins, she was still losing to players like Sanchez Vicario. It wasn't until the next year she started owning ASV, took a win off Graf and won her first slam at the end of the season. She really didn't hit her prime until her early 20s. I think she learned a little humility ( y her standards anyway) from the incident, though.
     
    PDJ and enqvisthaas like this.
  37. metsman

    metsman Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2015
    Messages:
    9,295
    seriously? I was good enough to play lower-tier D1 tennis too but I don't think I could beat a WTA player
     
  38. every7

    every7 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2014
    Messages:
    1,637
    Disagree. A doubles event from a decade ago is not a good indicator of how a now-57 year old man would fair on the singles court.
     
  39. Man of steel

    Man of steel Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,057
    Lol so you're saying a serena at 16 is better then a serena at 35? Haha good one
     
  40. bjk

    bjk Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,751
    I agree with stuff like this and yet when I watch Coco v Bouchard, they sure seem to hit very hard. Mens tennis doesnt look (on tv) like it's that much better than womens tennis.
     
  41. PeteD

    PeteD Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Messages:
    4,589
    Location:
    The Commonwealth (of PA)
    Mac & Sere should do it for the sport but WTA hard shots are sub-routine balls for ATP. Mac would "play" and if Sere would happy up a bit it could be a fun event.
     
    alex527 likes this.
  42. Dolgopolov85

    Dolgopolov85 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,816
    I don't know if you have watched the players live in the stadium (you didn't mention in your comment). I haven't yet had the chance to watch even a 250 level event of either tour. But I did attend CTL once and saw Cornet v/s Pennetta and RBA v/s Giraldo. Obviously I enjoyed the former more as the latter was terribly one sided. But what i found is the men seemed to have more easy power. I remember one really long rally which Giraldo finally settled by unleashing a rocket. I didn't see the women go for rallies of a comparable length. Maybe they didn't want to tactically but it's important to note that their most attacking game was about as hard as the easy, DEFENSIVE game of the men. This is just one sample and how much it reflects the tours in general I can't tell but it is consistent with what is mentioned in other comments above.
     
  43. ArcspacE

    ArcspacE Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2014
    Messages:
    8,429
    Location:
    Young Artiste
    Worst idea ever

    #ever
     
  44. Nadalgaenger

    Nadalgaenger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,865
    Location:
    Houston
    Trump wanted to make this match happen long before he was President!


    Check this McEnroe interview out:

     
  45. tennis_pro

    tennis_pro Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    28,030
    It proves nothing either way.
     
    heftylefty likes this.
  46. PDJ

    PDJ Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2012
    Messages:
    6,763
    I to thought this match was going to happen.
    But I enjoyed reading the comments.
    For what it's worth, I don't think Williams would win. I think:
    1. She'd feel the pressure too much, and she's more susceptible to that in recent times.
    2. McEnroe would throw slice and dinks her way that she rarely ever sees on the Tour.

    That said, I think she'd get some free points on serve, and return. But basically I think her movement would be exposed.

    Be fun if it actually happened. But I don't think it ever will. And I can't imagine the WTA would be happy.
     

Share This Page