Serena Wiiliams vs Carlos Ramos poll

Serena Wiiliams vs Carlos Ramos:Who got it right?

  • S Williams

    Votes: 8 2.5%
  • C Ramos

    Votes: 264 81.2%
  • N Osaka

    Votes: 53 16.3%

  • Total voters
    325
The rules are enforced sporadically, until they're applied evenly every time at every match, there's going to be controversy
He is not sporadic in his matches. Quit spreading lies. One should only be concerned with their match at that moment. We don't know if coaching was talked about before hand. You can't tell me their isnt a briefing of some sort in situations of this magnitude. Racing, football, boxing etc all have them in some way. FFS they restructured the time clock to enforce game speed this year. You can't think they are being more lenient now than they might have been.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
The rules are enforced sporadically, until they're applied evenly every time at every match, there's going to be controversy
you have a point, but Carlos is known to enforce the rules. Nadal said Carlos "would never umpire his matches again". Also, even male players know they are likely to get a point or game penalty and change their behavior accordingly. I have not seen a player melt down to the degree that Serena did since McEnore and Connors. Serena got it wrong. Carlos got it right. And, Naomi got it very right as she is now one of my favorite players.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
The rules are enforced sporadically, until they're applied evenly every time at every match, there's going to be controversy
Does every person who goes over the speed limit get a ticket? No. Sometimes you get caught sometimes you don't. If you do you accept it and move on with your life and not throw a massive fit then blame some kind of discrimination when you know you broke the rules.
 

Rhino

Legend
Serena is just not a nice person.

Her lack of restraint, her inability to own her behaviour, her sense of entitlement, her history of an ugly temper when losing, her name calling, her belief that she's somehow above the rules, her willful misunderstanding what it means to defend womens rights, her playing the victim, her unprofessionalism, etc, etc...
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Serena is just not a nice person.

Her lack of restraint, her inability to own her behaviour, her sense of entitlement, her history of an ugly temper when losing, her name calling, her belief that she's somehow above the rules, her willful misunderstanding what it means to defend womens rights, her playing the victim, her unprofessionalism, etc, etc...
This was all exposed clearly years ago when she did the Crip dance on Center Court but no one listened and just thought it was something cute.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Does every person who goes over the speed limit get a ticket? No. Sometimes you get caught sometimes you don't. If you do you accept it and move on with your life and not throw a massive fit then blame some kind of discrimination when you know you broke the rules.
Except cops aren't sitting in a chair behind your vehicle watching you everytime you drive are they? Umpires get a bloody good run, they have accomodation and flights covered and the top Umps like Ramos earn over 100k per year. Even Mariana Alves, one of the worst umpires in the entire world, who chaired the infamous 2004 Capriati-Serena U.S Open match still officiates somehow. I mean if you're in a chair watching a tennis match, and you're getting paid for it, then do your job and do it without fear or favour, unfortunately, he gave a *game penalty in a Slam final* when she called him a thief. Would he have done it to Federer? He'd be out of a job if he did guaranteed.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Serena is a polarizing figure but I don't think this is about her per se it's about the uneven 'policing' of ITF rules. Imagine if, say, at the 2009 U.S Open final whereby Federer was giving the Umpire an absolute serving about DelPo taking a bathroom break or something along those lines, he got a point penalty let alone a *game penalty*, I mean that's huge. That is massive. How many players have gotten a game penalty this year across both the WTA and ATP? Look at what Pliskova did to the umpires chair in Rome, she got a slap on the wrist and most people thought she was cool for doing so. Had that been Serena..
 

Fugazi

Professional
Serena is just not a nice person.

Her lack of restraint, her inability to own her behaviour, her sense of entitlement, her history of an ugly temper when losing, her name calling, her belief that she's somehow above the rules, her willful misunderstanding what it means to defend womens rights, her playing the victim, her unprofessionalism, etc, etc...
Unfortunately you are 100% right...
 
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Federev

Hall of Fame
People really can't take it when a woman acts like a male bully!

I think I would have been more angry/disgusted with a man doing that.

Somehow- I feel I am more apt to feel more compassion for a woman in a situation like that.

Maybe that’s latent sexism.

But a guy would have looked even more like a bully to me.
 

Fugazi

Professional
Except cops aren't sitting in a chair behind your vehicle watching you everytime you drive are they? Umpires get a bloody good run, they have accomodation and flights covered and the top Umps like Ramos earn over 100k per year. Even Mariana Alves, one of the worst umpires in the entire world, who chaired the infamous 2004 Capriati-Serena U.S Open match still officiates somehow. I mean if you're in a chair watching a tennis match, and you're getting paid for it, then do your job and do it without fear or favour, unfortunately, he gave a *game penalty in a Slam final* when she called him a thief. Would he have done it to Federer? He'd be out of a job if he did guaranteed.
Ramos would've done the same thing to Federer, except that Federer would never act like this. She literally threw a tantrum during the US Open final, which should be punished accordingly. Roddick, J Mac and Jimbo are the only men who were (almost) as bad as Serena at times, and they totally deserved to be penalized for it (sometimes they were, sometimes they got away with it).
 
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Federev

Hall of Fame
unfortunately, he gave a *game penalty in a Slam final* when she called him a thief. Would he have done it to Federer? He'd be out of a job if he did guaranteed.
Actually She...
called him a liar
a thief
Told him not to talk.
Told him he’d never work her matches again
Demanded an apology

And she did this A LOT.

AFTER her coach coached her from the stands - which he later fully admitted - and which she said about to the ump, it was only a “thumbs up” -

And about which she called Ramos a liar and a thief and falsely accused him of falsely accusing her of cheating - saying he only did it cause she’s a woman.

Oh -And she smashed her racquet to bits

(FIXED IT FOR YOU)

But yeah - every time Fed does this he never has any problems.
 
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Steady Eddy

Legend
Ramos would've done the same thing to Federer, except that Federer would never act like this. She litterally threw a tantrum during the US Open final, which should be punished accordingly. Roddick, J Mac and Jimbo are the only men who were (almost) as bad as Serena at times, and they totally deserved to be penalized for it.
I just noticed, all those people you mentioned are Americans. :(
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
And who said this had nothing to do with racism?
Can’t be because it’s a cartoonist that’s for sure. Like - you know someone who greatly exaggerates people’s facial features, expressions, physicality, because they make ... like... cartoons?? (ever seen a cartoon of Trump - or is it only fair when lampooning people like him?)

But maybe you’re right - Look how handsome that white male ump is drawn!!! He’s an Adonis!!!
 
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Mr.Lob

Legend
And who said this had nothing to do with racism?
Caricature:

ˈkerikəCHər, ˈkerikəˌCHo͝or]
NOUN
  1. a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
    "there are elements of caricature in the portrayal of the hero" ·
This seemed to be what the artist was going for. While insensitive, you would need to be inside the artists head to make a definite case for racism. Seems like political cartoonist do this all the time. If it offends people, all the better. Helps sell papers..
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
Caricature:

ˈkerikəCHər, ˈkerikəˌCHo͝or]
NOUN
  1. a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
    "there are elements of caricature in the portrayal of the hero" ·
This seemed to be what the artist was going for. While insensitive, you would need to be inside the artists head to make a definite case for racism. Seems like political cartoonist do this all the time. If it offends people, all the better. Helps sell papers..
EXCELLENT!!
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Can’t be because it’s a cartoonist that’s for sure. Like - you know someone who greatly exaggerates people’s facial features, expressions, physicality, because they make ... like... cartoons?? (ever seen a cartoon of Trump - or is it only fair when lampooning people like him?)

But maybe you’re right - Look how handsome that white male ump is drawn!!! He’s an Adonis!!!
+1

Cartoons are intended to look funny. I mean just look at the picture of Federer. His giant goofy head didn't offend anyone.

 
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