Serena Williams calls out Jannik Sinner’s light doping penalty: ‘I would have got 20 years’

If Serena was quoted accurately, I think her statement is irresponsible and a bit self-pitying.

How does she go from the first statement to the second?

"I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down. Men’s tennis needs him."
“If I did that (tested positive for doping), I would have gotten 20 years. Let’s be honest. I would have gotten grand slams taken away from me.”
 
She’s 100% right. Serena’s haters here still talk about the panic room which never resulted in a positive drug test. Yet when Sinner literally failed multiple doping tests, he was allowed to keep his slam and was allowed to play on and win more.

She’s 100% right. The double standards are insane.

I think we know why though ;)
 
RaulRamirez said:
If Serena was quoted accurately, I think her statement is irresponsible and a bit self-pitying.

How does she go from the first statement to the second?

"I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down. Men’s tennis needs him."
“If I did that (tested positive for doping), I would have gotten 20 years. Let’s be honest. I would have gotten grand slams taken away from me.”
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If Serena did what Sinner did, do you think she’d have been given the same treatment? Truly?

Multiple failed doping tests? She would have been hung out to dry and you know it. Unless you can tell me otherwise. You think she would have been given the grace Sinner got?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
If Serena did what Sinner did, do you think she’d have been given the same treatment? Truly?

Multiple failed doping tests? She would have been hung out to dry and you know it. Unless you can tell me otherwise. You think she would have been given the grace Sinner got?
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Yes. She would have been given same treatment.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
If Serena did what Sinner did, do you think she’d have been given the same treatment? Truly?

Multiple failed doping tests? She would have been hung out to dry and you know it. Unless you can tell me otherwise. You think she would have been given the grace Sinner got?
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Maybe not but she did seem to get away with avoiding several drug tests by hiding in her panic room.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
If Serena did what Sinner did, do you think she’d have been given the same treatment? Truly?

Multiple failed doping tests? She would have been hung out to dry and you know it. Unless you can tell me otherwise. You think she would have been given the grace Sinner got?
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I would not write what I did if I didn't believe it.

Once Serena became a star -- the star of both women's tennis and American tennis overall -- I think she would have gotten preferential treatment reflecting that.

Let me be clear: I am not minimizing what the Williams sisters faced it in getting established on the tour, nor the BS they still faced from some ignorant fans. But I see no evidence at all that she (as she implied in this interview) was treated unfairly by governing bodies once she became a big star.
 
RaulRamirez said:
If Serena was quoted accurately, I think her statement is irresponsible and a bit self-pitying.

How does she go from the first statement to the second?

"I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down. Men’s tennis needs him."
“If I did that (tested positive for doping), I would have gotten 20 years. Let’s be honest. I would have gotten grand slams taken away from me.”
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Finally someone reading this right. Of course this whole forum is trying to make this "Serena starting beef with Sinner" when clearly it's the opposite.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
She’s 100% right. Serena’s haters here still talk about the panic room which never resulted in a positive drug test. Yet when Sinner literally failed multiple doping tests, he was allowed to keep his slam and was allowed to play on and win more.

She’s 100% right. The double standards are insane.

I think we know why though ;)
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Wrong, there is no double standard.
 
and it goes on and on.


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this is an example of why it's often hard to like Serena

no, to everything she said about what would happen to her

just an over-exaggeration which kind of acts like a humblebrag
 
Aussie Darcy said:
She’s 100% right. Serena’s haters here still talk about the panic room which never resulted in a positive drug test. Yet when Sinner literally failed multiple doping tests, he was allowed to keep his slam and was allowed to play on and win more.

She’s 100% right. The double standards are insane.

I think we know why though ;)
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I partly agree, but not fully. The womens game, especialy in the 2010s needed Serena even more than the current game needs Sinner. Plus, especialy with Maria's charge, it would be a huge PR disaster for the game. I can't see them letting that happen.
 
RaulRamirez said:
If Serena was quoted accurately, I think her statement is irresponsible and a bit self-pitying.

How does she go from the first statement to the second?

"I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down. Men’s tennis needs him."
“If I did that (tested positive for doping), I would have gotten 20 years. Let’s be honest. I would have gotten grand slams taken away from me.”
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"I'm glad he got three months suspension instead of twenty years and titles revoked. The sport needs him and this is a better decision than how I would have been treated had this happened to me". Thats how I'm reading it, anyway.

I guess you can read that as self pitying, although I'm not sure her claim is inaccurate. It could be seen as inserting herself where she didn't need to.
 
Mainad said:
Maybe not but she did seem to get away with avoiding several drug tests by hiding in her panic room.
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Avoided several drug tests by hiding in her panic room? Who told you this wrong information? I'm pretty sure it was that one time and if I am remembering correctly, didn't she give an interview a while after all of that happened and said that she submitted a test a couple of days after that? No way would they let her omit taking the test and I have no idea why people online think this is some proof of her doing something wrong. It's not.
 
Mainad said:
Maybe not but she did seem to get away with avoiding several drug tests by hiding in her panic room.
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One time lol, not several.

Meanwhile Sinner tested positive to doping multiple times and was allowed to play on. It’s crazy to me that several posters and I would even say over 50% here would still say Serena deserved worse than Sinner, a literal doper (not saying you). A man who literally has destroyed the sports image forever for what he has done. These posters still have Serena painted as the baddie but constantly excuse the white men. Always funny.
 
Airspun said:
She’s not wrong
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Obviously not.


Aussie Darcy said:
She’s 100% right. Serena’s haters here still talk about the panic room which never resulted in a positive drug test.
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...and many of the same people were are still defending proven criminal PED user Sharapova, which is linked to:



I think we know why though ;)
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One and only one reason having no connection to tennis whatsoever.
 
talynen said:
"I'm glad he got three months suspension instead of twenty years and titles revoked. The sport needs him and this is a better decision than how I would have been treated had this happened to me". Thats how I'm reading it, anyway.

I guess you can read that as self pitying, although I'm not sure her claim is inaccurate. It could be seen as inserting herself where she didn't need to.
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Of course, we don't know for sure what would've happened ...unless she was in a similar situation...but her "20 years and titles revoked" is ludicrous grandstanding. Her words.

The only things I know of to judge this on were her two terrible outbursts at the US Open. No undue harsh punishments on either, and she disgraced the sport and some of her deserved great legacy both times.
 
It's a rhetorical exaggeration of the sort that happens every second around here.

You are allowed to miss out-of-competition tests and she had severe anger management issues that cost her.

But Serena had no AAFs in her career whereas Sinner has two. I believe that if she had an AAF today she would get equally lenient treatment.

RaulRamirez said:
Of course, we don't know for sure what would've happened ...unless she was in a similar situation...but her "20 years and titles revoked" is ludicrous grandstanding. Her words.

The only things I know of to judge this on were her two terrible outbursts at the US Open. No undue harsh punishments on either, and she disgraced the sport and some of her deserved great legacy both times.
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RaulRamirez said:
Of course, we don't know for sure what would've happened ...unless she was in a similar situation...but her "20 years and titles revoked" is ludicrous grandstanding. Her words.

The only things I know of to judge this on were her two terrible outbursts at the US Open. No undue harsh punishments on either, and she disgraced the sport and some of her deserved great legacy both times.
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3 terrible outbursts at the US Open. 2018 US Open, 2009 US Open, 2011 US Open.
 
Outbursts are one thing, doping is another. As is also hitting a lines person a la Djokovic.

There are degrees of harm being caused to the game in all three cases.
 
RaulRamirez said:
Yes, I forgot about 2011...versus Stosur. Well, her tirade against the umpire.
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Unattractive inside

There are more than just a few people in this world who are given excuses/justifications/rationalizations for their horrific/vile actions. It's disgusting and unattractive inside.
 
Sports are inherently aggression-laden, and even violence-filled, spectacles. Authorities have a love-hate relationship with this fact. Tennis is particularly hypocritical.
 
Sinner should pull an OJ and write "if i did it" book... who knows, with this much time off, he could be publishing it by the time Rome starts lol
 
RaulRamirez said:
Yes, I forgot about 2011...versus Stosur. Well, her tirade against the umpire.
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...and of course, you forget Sharapova's proven doping, her cursing at a chair umpire, players and audience members, cheating with her corrupt father--endless acts that brought more shame to sports than any of the diaper-wetting, empty charges seen in this thread. No one wonders about that one reason why certain people vomit the same, selective outrage.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
...and of course, you forget Sharapova's proven doping, her cursing at a chair umpire, players and audience members, cheating with her corrupt father--endless acts that brought more shame to sports than any of the diaper-wetting, empty charges seen in this thread. No one wonders about that one reason why certain people vomit the same, selective outrage.
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Stop the rant.
This thread was started about Serena commenting on Sinner's lenient suspension and how she would've been treated in the same situation. It's not a litany of every bad act by every player.

To even imply that about me is beyond unfair.
 
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