Serena Williams calls out Jannik Sinner’s light doping penalty: ‘I would have got 20 years’

[SonnyT]

I agree with Serena, for once! I'd gotten 20+ years, and thrown in prison!

 

[Rosstour]

Yes, I forgot about 2011...versus Stosur. Well, her tirade against the umpire.

If anyone here (not saying you, just quoting the last post on the topic) judges Serena for the treatment of the umps, but laughed when Medvedev did "small cat".....you might be a redneck

 

[nolefam_2024]

Serena Williams is 43 years old

Sinner is just 23 the guy is 20 years younger

What is she talking about.

 

[RaulRamirez]

If anyone here (not saying you, just quoting the last post on the topic) judges Serena for the treatment of the umps, but laughed when Medvedev did "small cat".....you might be a redneck

That situation has nothing to do with any comment I made on this thread or on any other thread that I know of. Yes, you're not saying me, but why reply that to me, as if I'm in any way connected?

(I'm only reduced tova screen name her, but I take my opinions...unless obviously satire...seriously.)

On this thread, I commented on Serena's comment, which under the guise of kind of defending Sinner (??), complained about how she would've been treated so much worse.

I only brought up her US Open situations to posit that she was not treated unfairly on any of those.

 

[Rosstour]

That situation has nothing to do with any comment I made on this thread or on any other thread that I know of. Yes, you're not saying me, but why reply that to me, as if I'm in any way connected?

(I'm only reduced tova screen name her, but I take my opinions...unless obviously satire...seriously.)

On this thread, I commented on Serena's comment, which under the guise of kind of defending Sinner (??), complained about how she would've been treated so much worse.

I only brought up her US Open situations to posit that she was not treated unfairly on any of those.

Well you were the last serious reply so that's why I quoted. And I agree. And I don't think you'd be one of the guys judging her and not him. But they are out there and some of them are here

 

[RaulRamirez]

Well you were the last serious reply so that's why I quoted. And I agree. And I don't think you'd be one of the guys judging her and not him. But they are out there and some of them are here

Okay. I had another poster jump on me here implying something that I've never ever been. Now, if there was a thread about abuse of tennis officials and I opined that Serena was the only offender, that would be suspect. But to overlook her outbursts would also be...interesting.

Moving on for now.

 

[messiahrobins]

I've already stated that Serena was "untouchable", just like Sinner, but I've no idea what reasons you think are obvious.

Well lets just say the US woke agenda last 15 years (actually that woke agenda started in the 90s) helped her alot.

 

[Bartelby]

The Williams sisters are from the wrong side of the tracks, and the agenda was always stacked against them. If there was any shift this can only be good thing.

 

[mike danny]

Call me skeptical, but I don't think she would've received severe punishment. She was too big of a star for that to happen. A bigger star than Sinner.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Call me skeptical, but I don't think she would've received severe punishment. She was too big of a star for that to happen. A bigger star than Sinner.

For someone who has never doped she sure loves to discuss doping and what penalty she would have received for doping and criticize those convicted of doping like Sinner. Why even address the topic of doping? Very odd and quite suspicious.

She is dealing with cognitive dissonance.

 

[duaneeo]

Call me skeptical, but I don't think she would've received severe punishment. She was too big of a star for that to happen. A bigger star than Sinner.

Call me skeptical, but I think if Sinner got special treatment, what even more special treatment would've been given (or, has been given) to the much bigger stars? Perhaps that of the 'silent' kind?

 

[Raiden]

It's a rhetorical exaggeration of the sort that happens every second around here.

You are allowed to miss out-of-competition tests and she had severe anger management issues that cost her.

But Serena had no AAFs in her career whereas Sinner has two. I believe that if she had an AAF today she would get equally lenient treatment.

Today yes but not back then — as back hen the ITIA did not exist and thereofore its special privileges did not exist in a written blatant form. And it's predecessor anti doping systems were separated parts of the individual member tennis orgs (WTA, ATP ITF etc had their own antidoping enforcement

 

[Bartelby]

The ITIA was responsible for choosing the people to adjudicate the first Sinner hearing, which resulted in a decision that didn't even make any sense to WADA.

Today yes but not back then — as back hen the ITIA did not exist and thereofore its special privileges did not exist in a written blatant form. And it's predecessor anti doping systems were separated parts of the individual member tennis orgs (WTA, ATP ITF etc had their own antidoping enforcement

 

[Bartelby]

Sinner has benefitted from behind-the-scenes negotiations. How else would you explain the granting of a secret first process and the appeal case being pulled from CAS?

For someone who has never doped she sure loves to discuss doping and what penalty she would have received for doping and criticize those convicted of doping like Sinner. Why even address the topic of doping? Very odd and quite suspicious.

She is dealing with cognitive dissonance.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Sinner has benefitted from behind-the-scenes negotiations. How else would you explain the granting of a secret first process and the appeal case being pulled from CAS?

This is more a reflection of the incompetence of WADA than on the weakness of the young Sinner's case. WADA foolishly appealed the initial wise and fair Tribunal decision to CAS and then very quickly pulled the case after it finally came to its senses. Unprecedented incompetence.

And now both you and WADA look silly with your endless futile Sinner bashing!

 

[Bartelby]

You are the one with no sense. WADA played a blinder. It couldn't let the no fault finding stand and couldn't let him be banned for a year. So they pulled the case from CAS.

This is more a reflection of the incompetence of WADA than on the weakness of the young Sinner's case. WADA foolishly appealed the initial wise and fair Tribunal decision to CAS and then very quickly pulled the case after it finally came to its senses. Unprecedented incompetence.

And now both you and WADA look silly with your endless futile Sinner bashing!

 

[Racquet_smash]

Rune's biggest issue is he cannot close points to save his life

 

[HBK4life]

Mothers don’t use performance enhancing drugs in their panic rooms.

 

[metsman]

Bit hard to test positive when you don't allow the tests to be conducted in the first place and/or just get medical exemptions for banned substances, no? Sinner has a long way to go before he can operate on Serena's level. But I'm confident he'll get there.

 

[Aabye5]

Do you think Sharpie slipped Sinner a Mickey? Showing that anyone could be tainted...

 

[Bartelby]

Sinner has had fabulous decisions from the ITIA and WADA, so he has already been there and done that.

Bit hard to test positive when you don't allow the tests to be conducted in the first place and/or just get medical exemptions for banned substances, no? Sinner has a long way to go before he can operate on Serena's level. But I'm confident he'll get there.

 

[jimmy8]

Mothers don't pay a doctor to write them a back dated TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).

 

[Bartelby]

You have to get the authorities authorise a TUE, so that is yet another possible level of privilege afforded to the stars.

And even though we have relied on hacks, as there is a lack of transparency, mothers and fathers alike have benefitted.

Mothers don't pay a doctor to write them a back dated TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

You are the one with no sense. WADA played a blinder. It couldn't let the no fault finding stand and couldn't let him be banned for a year. So they pulled the case from CAS.

And there we have it. Our favourite Bureaucrat Bart claims WADA played a blinder by suddenly settling the Sinner case with CAS. A 3 month holiday for the young Sinner.

WADA needs to make up its mind. Do they wish to appeal the Tribunal ruling or not?
If we had our druthers this incompetent WADA bureaucracy would not be allowed to suddenly drop its appeal to CAS. No half-assed appeals. WADA needs to follow through on its appeal until the case is judged by CAS.

 

[Bartelby]

I've explained this to you before.

Letting Sinner off completely would open the door to any other player claiming agent error for exoneration.

Letting Sinner off a CAS hearing got him a significantly smaller ban than that would otherwise be the case.

Sinner had great and powerful friends lobbying for him.

And there we have it. Our favourite Bureaucrat Bart claims WADA played a blinder by suddenly settling the Sinner case with CAS. A 3 month holiday for the young Sinner.

WADA needs to make up its mind. Do they wish to appeal the Tribunal ruling or not?
If we had our druthers this incompetent WADA bureaucracy would not be allowed to suddenly drop its appeal to CAS. No half-assed appeals. WADA needs to follow through on its appeal until the case is judged by CAS.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Letting Sinner off completely would open the door to any other player claiming agent error for exoneration.

WADA asked for a 1 to 2 year ban in its appeal to CAS to serve as a deterrent for future offenders. A 3 month ban is laughable and will not deter anybody. Your theory falls flat. If anything this opens the door to future players citing Sinner's slap on the wrist as a precedent for agent error offenses.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Stop the rant.

If you were capable of knowing what this thread is about, your post in question would not exist, but you--like other ill-minded members--have an agenda that will never go anywhere you desire.

Sinner clearly wasn't attempting to cheat.

Obviously, but some are so deathly afraid of Sinner ultimately posing a threat to Alcaraz, that they are desperate to see Sinner treated like genuine PED users who knew what they were doing.

 

[Bartelby]

What WADA said and what WADA did are two different things. They bottled the Sinner case eventually due to reasons unrelated to the "legal niceties" of the case.

WADA asked for a 1 to 2 year ban in its appeal to CAS to serve as a deterrent for future offenders. A 3 month ban is laughable and will not deter anybody. Your theory falls flat. If anything this opens the door to future players citing Sinner's slap on the wrist as a precedent for agent error offenses.

 

[LeftyMagic]

how about just stay retired. or dont make a comment. heres who benefitted from that comment: no one.
zero value add.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

how about just stay retired. or dont make a comment. heres who benefitted from that comment: no one.
zero value add.

It is impossible for a narcissistic self-victimizer to do this. Every pro is perfectly aware that random tests are collected 365 days of the year. The players are paid millions and voluntarily comply with this slight inconvenience in order to protect the integrity of the sport. You would think that one who is guilty of running to her panic room at the sight of a uniformed credentialed Doping Control Officer (DCO) kindly knocking upon on her door would have the good sense to stay out of any doping discussions.

Ymer was banned for missing a test and yet she faced no penalty for hiding out.

Frankly, the Sinner massage story is far more credible than her ridiculous panic room fairy tale.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Carrot hasn't even reached panic room status yet. The future's bright...

 

[Bartelby]

Carrot has too many friends in high places to have any need of panic buttons. And Serena still has the psyche of someone from the wrong side of the tracks.

 

[Beacon Hill]

She should’ve been permanently banned when she threatened to end the lines woman and made racist remarks because she was Asian.

They let her get away with so much it was crazy

They didn't even kick her out of that particular tournament. She was allowed to play the doubles.

 

[Bartelby]

Djokovic went troppo and actually hit a lines person. Serena did not. That's a big difference. In any event, all this has nothing to do with the Sinner case.

 

[Bartelby]

If you argue Serena should have been kicked out of the US Open, then the only link with the Sinner incident is that he too was treated very generously.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If you argue Serena should have been kicked out of the US Open, then the only link with the Sinner incident is that he too was treated very generously.

Sorry

I did not understand

I understand you have need to diminish Sinner and attack him which is fine

How in the hell is he treated generously when Serena was not kicked out of us open ? Both are unrelated things.

Serena is bulletproof. Just like Sinner. And I would say she is worse of the two easily. Typical bully on the court. Yuck

 

[Bartelby]

I argued they were unrelated, but your side of the aisle keeps linking them. I argued therefore, in the conditional.

My sentence started with "IF". I understand you have a need to diminish Serena and attack which is fine too ...

But I wrote "IF".

Sorry

I did not understand

I understand you have need to diminish Sinner and attack him which is fine

How in the hell is he treated generously when Serena was not kicked out of us open ? Both are unrelated things.

Serena is bulletproof. Just like Sinner. And I would say she is worse of the two easily. Typical bully on the court. Yuck

 

[nolefam_2024]

I argued they were unrelated, but your side of the aisle keeps linking them. I argued therefore, in the conditional.

My sentence started with IF. I understand you have a need to diminish Serena and attack which is fine too ...

But I wrote "IF".

why not diminish the bully

 

[insideguy]

Sorry

I did not understand

I understand you have need to diminish Sinner and attack him which is fine

How in the hell is he treated generously when Serena was not kicked out of us open ? Both are unrelated things.

Serena is bulletproof. Just like Sinner. And I would say she is worse of the two easily. Typical bully on the court. Yuck

I just think when you are comparing court behavior issues and doping issues you are talking about two totally different things. Maybe im missing something here.

 

[langley]

I just think when you are comparing court behavior issues and doping issues you are talking about two totally different things. Maybe im missing something here.

yes. two entirely different things. a complete fallacy.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I just think when you are comparing court behavior issues and doping issues you are talking about two totally different things. Maybe im missing something here.

Okay we all are in agreement. These two are separate issues.

 

[TennisBro]

This is great that Serena has come out to say what she has said. The absurd anti-doping double-standards need to be addressed. Having said that, however, a question comes to mind-would the iconic Williams have made such a statement in the middle of her pro tennis career?

I see a lot of current pro players quiet for reasons that many people don't want to talk about. It's obvious that the competitors, who are answerable to the anti-doping organization, worry they may be targeted for speaking out.

 

[langley]

This is great that Serena has come out to say what she has said. The absurd anti-doping double-standards need to be addressed. Having said that, however, a question comes to mind-would the iconic Williams have made such a statement in the middle of her pro tennis career?

I see a lot of current pro players quiet for reasons that many people don't want to talk about. It's obvious that the competitors, who are answerable to the anti-doping organization, worry they may be targeted for speaking out.

seems people like opelka have been threatened for saying stuff that goes against the establishment. i truly don’t think we can fault players for not wanting to speak up on certain things, especially having not been in their positions ourselves.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

This is great that Serena has come out to say what she has said. The absurd anti-doping double-standards need to be addressed. Having said that, however, a question comes to mind-would the iconic Williams have made such a statement in the middle of her pro tennis career?

Here's the answer to your question:
Your favourite iconic Serena was wisely neutral and expressed zero empathy in 2016 when Sharapova was sentenced to a 2 year ban.

 

[TennisBro]

Here's the answer to your question:
Your favourite iconic Serena was neutral and expressed zero empathy for Sharapova's two year ban in 2016.

Well, we Better Call Raul when assumptions or answers are needed

 

[Bartelby]

You seem unaware that this reflects more badly on the ATP/WTA than on Serena Williams.

It answers the question as to why Djokovic did not put his name on the law suit.

Querying the Sinner decision is also not a good idea for active players.

Here's the answer to your question:
Your favourite iconic Serena was wisely neutral and expressed zero empathy in 2016 when Sharapova was sentenced to a 2 year ban.

 

[insideoutforehanders]

Call me skeptical, but I think if Sinner got special treatment, what even more special treatment would've been given (or, has been given) to the much bigger stars? Perhaps that of the 'silent' kind?

I am pretty sure yes. Lance Armstrong now admits he outright failed dozens of drug tests and the results were covered up for years. There are stories abound of Carl Lewis's dozen of failed drug tests, despite how easy it is to cheat and pass doping tests in track in the 80s and 90s; he was that juiced, but the sport was never going to let their golden boy get busted. Now Ben Johnson who is stupid, can barely speak English or any other language, kind of fugly, unlikeable, and unpopular, that is another story. And Bolt's 4 biggest career rivals, all who he beat the snot out of 99% of the time (Gay, Gatlin, Powell, Blake) each failed more than one doping test, but Bolt never once was announced to the public as failing one, although he had a few oddly timed 6 month or longer breaks, always never when a major championship was occuring.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Djokovic went troppo and actually hit a lines person. Serena did not. That's a big difference.

Yet it did not stop agenda-driven members with their blood hatred of Serena from dragging those irrelevant non-issues into this and the related thread.

In any event, all this has nothing to do with the Sinner case.

It does not matter, the usual suspects--whether writing or supporting posts--are still violently angry at Serena for even existing for a specific reason.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

You seem unaware that this reflects more badly on the ATP/WTA than on Serena Williams.

It answers the question as to why Djokovic did not put his name on the law suit.

Querying the Sinner decision is also not a good idea for active players.

The Djoker was not named in the lawsuit because the GOAT is far more valuable in the public arena than attending court matters.

No player should ever criticize the doping case of a fellow player. It is strictly a matter between that player and the ITIA Tribunal. Even Serena was wise enough to stay quiet when her arch rival was sentenced to two years. Unfortunately she now foolishly and bizarrely chooses to speak out in retirement and bash the young Sinner and feign empathy for her enemy Sharapova... And nobody is buying it.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

She claims she would have been "stripped of Slam titles" but no player can ever be stripped of titles unless it can be proven that the player was doping during the tournament.

She is so clueless on the anti doping testing process and protocols.