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Her matches at most can take 3 hours; his can take 5 and 6 hours, and have. More challenging for her...sure.BO3 is more challenging because you can't come back from 2 sets down.
Her matches at most can take 3 hours; his can take 5 and 6 hours, and have. More challenging for her...sure.BO3 is more challenging because you can't come back from 2 sets down.
Two GOATs. Nadal and Graf can sit down, bud.
She had to be much more versatile to play doubles.Her matches at most can take 3 hours; his can take 5 and 6 hours, and have. More challenging for her...sure.
Djokovic will lose in the US Open semifinals to the "Sara Errani" of men's tennis to complete the similarities with the Williams' younger sister.Which makes me wonder how will she react when (i mean IF) Novak captures CYGS this year! Will she properly acknowledge it this time or it will be yet another cryptic short response like this...
Singles and doubles are two different things. Great of her to do well at it, but none of the big 3 are legends because of doubles.She had to be much more versatile to play doubles.
Djokovic never won the BO3 Olympics either so he can never be compared with great athletes
I play singles and doubles and can handle both at a high level. That is why I emphasize versatility.Singles and doubles are two different things. Great of her to do well at it, but none of the big 3 are legends because of doubles.
Yea Massu and Rosset are greater athletes than Sampras and Djokovic.
I give Rena all the credit in the world, but she ain't no father. Father of two, no less.
Seles tore Graf a new one before the stabbing. Nobody was having 3 Slam seasons during Djokovic's best years. Lol.Ehh... Graf has a golden slam. Those two couldn't even win a calendar. They may have 1 more major but Graf was on another level
I play singles and doubles and can handle both at a high level. That is why I emphasize versatility.
Then Federer would be the goat but he is only a distant number 3I give Rena all the credit in the world, but she ain't no father. Father of two, no less.
A mother creates a kid inside her body during 9 months, Serena had to do that and it cost her some slams, Djokovic did not have to undergo that, his wife Jelena bore the kids and raised them while he managed to win slams, so there is no comparison, Serena has every right to feel that she is greater than Big 3, not that it makes sense but nobody could argue otherwise. She is the best in her field.
Oh yeh sure she has that right given she was the overall dominant force in the women's game for an inordinate amount of time. I don't tend to mix the men and the women though, as they play on different tours (for obvious reasons). Serena's peak level relative to her field sometimes made her look superhuman - 2012 Olympics comes to mind.
Djokovic scored most of his slams against Federer and Nadal while Federer scored most of his slams against Roddick, Hewitt, Baggy, Davy, Ljubi...
@Razer This is easily disproved and laughably so.
Djokovic has been in 34 slam finals. He played either Nadal or Fed in 14 of those finals. He played others in 20 of them.
Fed has been in 31 slam finals. He played either Rafa or Djoker in 14 of those finals. He played others in 17 of them.
A fair point except two of Serena's biggest rivals chose to undertake that responsibility over a decade before Serena did, (and came back and still played Serena very tough or even outright beat her) which played a large part in Serena having no serious rivals for a decade.She is not salty, she is just too proud.
She sees herself as a person with 30-32 slam potential and she feels if not for pregnancy then she could have won a slam close to 40.
So in her mind she is clearly superior, it is not salt, it is some form of superiority complex![]()
Who said Fed?Overrated to high heaven by a generation of "new school" tennis fans trying to spit on the old guard, piled up unspeakable numbers in trash eras, general victim mentality, very uncouth and unrefined on court behavior.
Very astute observation.
That should have been specified, because the "open era" marker means nothing for the women's game, there was no transitional field change as in the men's game.It's record of the Open era.
It says you joined in April. What would you know about anything troll if you're really a "new user"? Just another troll using a DA to post things he doesn't have the gall to post on his real account. How pathetic.Someone who is famous for being one of the biggest trolls on this forum telling others to be adult, LMFAO!! Thanks for the laughs.
And 1991 was such a peak year for Graf with a 6-2, 6-0 loss in a slam semi final to Sanchez Vicario, 5 straight losses to Sabatini, a loss to 34 year old Navratilova in a slam semi final, and 3 losses to Jana Novotna. If you actually knew womens tennis (which you don't) you would know how ridiculous the whole premise of what you are saying is in the first place. You might as well call 2017 a peak year for Djokovic.
The Djokovic record is really just an Open Era record, not an all-time record.
What a demagogy.That should have been specified, because the "open era" marker means nothing for the women's game, there was no transitional field change as in the men's game.
The women's game was always "open" with the exception of just one or two significant players.
The records of Court and King and Lenglen should be included in the record total.
The same restriction should apply to Djokovic, because his record was more clearly influenced by the Open Era marker.
Djokovic's record should be described as an Open Era record only.
Unlike Serena, Novak will actually win #24.
I have been there, I know the Wiki story.What a demagogy.
The Open era is not only a combination of two separate circuits into one tour, but above all it brought about a change of the state when tennis became a job for the players as a whole.
The women's game has always been open lol. Althea Gibson had a different opinion on this and her opinion is more relevant than yours on this topic.
I don't know where you got the idea that Djokovic's record only covers the Open era. You should visit Wikipedia.
Serena did indeed have very tough competition starting in the late 90s, but the tough competition ended after 2007. Seles retired in 2003, Hingis mostly retired in 2003 as well (at age 22!), Capriati retired in 2004 (at age 28), Davenport basically played singles tennis part-time after 2006 due to motherhood and retired in 2008, Henin also retired in early 2008 (at age 26 while she was ranked #1!), and Mauresmo retired in 2009. Clijsters retired in 2007 (at the age of 23!), a year in which she barely played. She came back in late 2009 and retired again in 2012 though she played a light schedule this entire period back. Add to that, Venus was revealed to have Sjögrens Syndrome in 2011 and didn't reach another major final until 2017. Serena won 8 slams in a very strong era from 1999-2007 and 15 from 2008-2017, a very weak era when players like Dinara Safina, Caroline Wozniacki, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic, and Karolina Pliskova reached #1.Serena had Venus, Kim, Justine all as her competitors. Her competition from late 1990s till 2010 is goaty, the hardest in WTA history.
Serena did indeed have very tough competition starting in the late 90s, but the tough competition ended after 2007. Seles retired in 2003, Hingis mostly retired in 2003 as well (at age 22!), Capriati retired in 2004 (at age 28), Davenport basically played singles tennis part-time after 2006 due to motherhood and retired in 2008, Henin also retired in early 2008 (at age 26 while she was ranked #1!), and Mauresmo retired in 2009. Clijsters retired in 2007 (at the age of 23!), a year in which she barely played. She came back in late 2009 and retired again in 2012 though she played a light schedule this entire period back. Add to that, Venus was revealed to have Sjögrens Syndrome in 2011 and didn't reach another major final until 2017. Serena won 8 slams in a very strong era from 1999-2007 and 15 from 2008-2017, a very weak era when players like Dinara Safina, Caroline Wozniacki, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic, and Karolina Pliskova reached #1.
A fair point except two of Serena's biggest rivals chose to undertake that responsibility over a decade before Serena did, (and came back and still played Serena very tough or even outright beat her) which played a large part in Serena having no serious rivals for a decade.
Overrated to high heaven by a generation of "new school" tennis fans trying to spit on the old guard, piled up unspeakable numbers in trash eras, general victim mentality, very uncouth and unrefined on court behavior.
Very astute observation.
Not really, it was basically a given to be highly successful in your 30s as a dominant female player IF you put off having kids, both Evert and Navratilova did it. Until the big 3 ridiculousness, only Agassi managed to scratch out multiple slams past 30 in modern open era and he obviously had fewer miles on him than the other great players.While you both are right, Serena's competition did fall off the rails as her rivals approached 30, that further explains how difficult it is for women to win slams in 30s unlike men. So if Serena did not have rivals in her 30s then it means she has earned the right to that by being too dominant, isn't it ?
Winning slams 30+ for ladies is very very very hard and look what she has done.
Not necessarily better players but better athletes due to better training, nutrition, medicine and equipment.New players better than old players -Andy Roddick
It is far more difficult to be a slam winner past 30 if you are a mother, rather than a father. Margret Court won 3 slams past 30, as a mother.Djokovic has won more Major titles than Williams in their 30s but he is not a mother.
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Not really, it was basically a given to be highly successful in your 30s as a dominant female player IF you put off having kids, both Evert and Navratilova did it. Until the big 3 ridiculousness, only Agassi managed to scratch out multiple slams past 30 in modern open era and he obviously had fewer miles on him than the other great players.
Of course it is, but it has already been said repeatedly that Serena Williams' motherhood cost her the dream of surpassing Margaret Court's record 24 GS titles.It is far more difficult to be a slam winner past 30 if you are a mother, rather than a father. Margret Court won 3 slams past 30, as a mother.
You are right but it does take great sacrifice to prolong having kids and go as far as she did, Navratilova is lesbian, she did not have the burden of having a kid, evert did prolong but not too long, serena was the one chasing all these 23-24 type numbers, she did stretch her body clock to the limit and had a kid later on at 35, then she returned and reached a final.... we need to give her credit for having a body as strong as she has to do all this, sure her rivals were all gone but we give her no credit for being the only one playing at the highest level and winning slams in this modern era where tennis is a grindfest at every level and it is much more taxing on the body in this era than previous eras. Keeping all that in mind we need to respect Serena instead of brushing off her 2010s as a weak era.
Of course it is, but it has already been said repeatedly that Serena Williams' motherhood cost her the dream of surpassing Margaret Court's record 24 GS titles.
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