Serena Williams Hospitalized With Blood Clot Issue

TMF

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because she is a power player you idiot it isnt her game to grind out points

please tell me that you are not really this stupid

also event though clay is not her best surface she has several titles on clay and a FO...plenty of male and female players would take her clay stats any day of the week

Which proved my point that Serena isn't built to play on clay since it required grinding. For the record, Fed play power game but also can grind with the very best on clay. Again, why is it Serena cannot do it on clay, moron?
 

TMF

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Perhaps Serena could stand to lose a few pounds, but she really isn't overweight to the point where it can cause health problems. Not even close actually, and what matters is really BF%, not weight. Her arms look pretty toned, as well as her legs, so I'd hazard a guess that her bodyfat is similar to a player like Wozniacki (or was, when Serena was playing fit).

As for clay, I really doubt it is due to her fitness. Kuztenzova won in 2009, and she is visibly way more out of shape than Serena. Why do Federer and Roddick struggle (relatively) on clay? Their game is not best suited to the surface.

Fed is the 2nd best cc in this era !
His fittest is 2nd to none. Don't even compare Roddick fitness to Fed.
 

luvly

Professional
Which proved my point that Serena isn't built to play on clay since it required grinding. For the record, Fed play power game but also can grind with the very best on clay. Again, why is it Serena cannot do it on clay, moron?

Federer has a completely different game, he grew up playing on clay so he doesnt not have the movement issue that serena has....and you talk about stupid comparisons

Serena like her American counterpart Roddick...or most America players for that part like movement on clay....

but i love how you keep ignoring that Sharapova sucks on clay....why does she suck?

Tell me that?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer has a completely different game, he grew up playing on clay so he doesnt not have the movement issue that serena has....and you talk about stupid comparisons

Serena like her American counterpart Roddick...or most America players for that part like movement on clay....

but i love how you keep ignoring that Sharapova sucks on clay....why does she suck?

Tell me that?

He does not have movement issue b/c he's fit, simple as that. There's no way you can convince anyone that Serena fitness is comparable to Fed. Talk about ********** harping how talented she is but find all sort of excuse for her inability to hang on clay. She's heavy which is why she's limited on her movement, stop with the nonsense.

Is Maria as talented as Serena? I always hear you serenatards trashed Maria as 1 dimensional but now expect her to be great on clay. B!itch move.

And I love how you ignore Chris thrives on clay.
 

luvly

Professional
He does not have movement issue b/c he's fit, simple as that. There's no way you can convince anyone that Serena fitness is comparable to Fed. Talk about ********** harping how talented she is but find all sort of excuse for her inability to hang on clay. She's heavy which is why she's limited on her movement, stop with the nonsense.

Is Maria as talented as Serena? I always hear you serenatards trashed Maria as 1 dimensional but now expect her to be great on clay. B!itch move.

And I love how you ignore Chris thrives on clay.

Whatever you can try and change it all you want. at one point you want to say it is talent when comparing serena to fed and maria to serena but then when it comes to serena alone on clay it has to be her weight....

whatever go back to your fantasy land. there have been plenty of fit talented players who could not play on clay or grass or hard courts. it not just about fitness the game requires skill and those skills are benefited differently on every surface.


and how come me bringing up maria is a bi!ch move but you bring up serena when she has nothing to do with a topic or nadal even is fair game...

you try and make up whatever suits you and think that everyone else are just going to go with. give me a break.

so if it comes down to talen now.....why hasnt justine down as well as serena has on grass or kim for that matter...

i wonder how your story will change now
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
The very best thrive on clay has

1. talent
2. very fit
3. lots of stamina

Fed has all 3 attributes but Serena mainly has one, but not much on other 2 attributes..

As for Henin, she very talented. The reason why she beat Serena b/c she's slim...doesn't use whole lot energy like Serena on clay. Henin's size is suitable on clay. Serena has over Henin on grass b/c she has the power including the serve. Serena's power doesn't get neutralize on fast surface. That's the difference.
 

President

Legend
Fed is the 2nd best cc in this era !
His fittest is 2nd to none. Don't even compare Roddick fitness to Fed.

Americans typically struggle on clay. Look at Pete Sampras, Roddick, SERENA ect...I really doubt it has much at all to do with Serena's fitness considering women who are in much worse physical condition (Ivanovic, Kuztenzova) have won the French in recent years.

Serena's movement is just not that good on clay. And Federer is the 2nd best CC, but that doesn't mean he isn't quite a bit worse on clay than he is on the other surfaces. As for fitness, I'm pretty sure Nadal, Verdasco, Ferrer, Murray, and RODDICK are just as fit or fitter than Federer. The difference (other than Nadal) is that Federer is supremely talented and is gifted with great movement and shotmaking.
 

luvly

Professional
The very best thrive on clay has

1. talent
2. very fit
3. lots of stamina

Fed has all 3 attributes but Serena mainly has one, but not much on other 2 attributes..

As for Henin, she very talented. The reason why she beat Serena b/c she's slim...doesn't use whole lot energy like Serena on clay. Henin's size is suitable on clay. Serena has over Henin on grass b/c she has the power including the serve. Serena's power doesn't get neutralize on fast surface. That's the difference.

Well gather around *********s....TMF jsut admitted that nadal is better than roger... as a fed fan i am disappointed in you
 

luvly

Professional
The very best thrive on clay has

1. talent
2. very fit
3. lots of stamina

Fed has all 3 attributes but Serena mainly has one, but not much on other 2 attributes..

As for Henin, she very talented. The reason why she beat Serena b/c she's slim...doesn't use whole lot energy like Serena on clay. Henin's size is suitable on clay. Serena has over Henin on grass b/c she has the power including the serve. Serena's power doesn't get neutralize on fast surface. That's the difference.

Lol tell me again why Maria fails...what is she lacking if all the deal breaker is slimness on clay and not talent...

Where are all Davydenko's FOs or better yet Simon's????
 

President

Legend
The very best thrive on clay has

1. talent
2. very fit
3. lots of stamina

Fed has all 3 attributes but Serena mainly has one, but not much on other 2 attributes..

As for Henin, she very talented. The reason why she beat Serena b/c she's slim...doesn't use whole lot energy like Serena on clay. Henin's size is suitable on clay. Serena has over Henin on grass b/c she has the power including the serve. Serena's power doesn't get neutralize on fast surface. That's the difference.

Serena at her best is fitter than the vast majority of WTA players. It's rare that she appears out of breath during a match. By the way, heavyness doesn't seem to be too big of a factor on the mens side. Soderling is 6'4 and is not exactly a skinny guy

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He still does better than "slim" guys like Davydenko, Ferrer, ect..

The reason Serena doesn't do that well on clay is because her movement is not natural on the surface, same as Sampras, Sharapova, and Roddick.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Americans typically struggle on clay. Look at Pete Sampras, Roddick, SERENA ect...I really doubt it has much at all to do with Serena's fitness considering women who are in much worse physical condition (Ivanovic, Kuztenzova) have won the French in recent years.

Serena's movement is just not that good on clay. And Federer is the 2nd best CC, but that doesn't mean he isn't quite a bit worse on clay than he is on the other surfaces. As for fitness, I'm pretty sure Nadal, Verdasco, Ferrer, Murray, and RODDICK are just as fit or fitter than Federer. The difference (other than Nadal) is that Federer is supremely talented and is gifted with great movement and shotmaking.

First, Sampras has blood disorder which limited his ability on clay.
2nd, Sampras played attacking game, which is not the best style for clay. But Serena is a baseliner
3rd, clay rewards the double handed bh...Pete has 1handed bh, but Serena uses two hand.

Your 2nd paragraph...Fed >>> Serena on clay, simple as that. He doesn't have movement issue. Without Nadal, Fed is king on clay in this decade. Serena cannot compare to his pinky !

seriously ? Roddick more fit than Fed.
:shock:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Well gather around *********s....TMF jsut admitted that nadal is better than roger... as a fed fan i am disappointed in you

What are you rambling about...I've always stated that Nadal is better than Fed on clay.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol tell me again why Maria fails...what is she lacking if all the deal breaker is slimness on clay and not talent...

Where are all Davydenko's FOs or better yet Simon's????

Your comparison is laughable. How is it Davy or Simon compared to Nadal/Federer. Maria < Serena, unless you disagree.
 

luvly

Professional
Your comparison is laughable. How is it Davy or Simon compared to Nadal/Federer. Maria < Serena, unless you disagree.

i am just following your reasoning...i mean Simon has a leading head to head with Roger thus he has to be as talented and he is "slimmer" than him...

and while Davy lacks the talent his being smaller would have helped his movement and stamina in the semi's he played against roger and we all know what his head to head against nadal is so that would have just gotten him the win the final...

that was pretty much your logic as to why justine was better than serena on clay was it not....

Just in case you forgot what you said

The very best thrive on clay has

1. talent
2. very fit
3. lots of stamina

Fed has all 3 attributes but Serena mainly has one, but not much on other 2 attributes..

As for Henin, she very talented. The reason why she beat Serena b/c she's slim...doesn't use whole lot energy like Serena on clay. Henin's size is suitable on clay. Serena has over Henin on grass b/c she has the power including the serve. Serena's power doesn't get neutralize on fast surface. That's the difference.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
i am just following your reasoning...i mean Simon has a leading head to head with Roger thus he has to be as talented and he is "slimmer" than him...

and while Davy lacks the talent his being smaller would have helped his movement and stamina in the semi's he played against roger and we all know what his head to head against nadal is so that would have just gotten him the win the final...

that was pretty much your logic as to why justine was better than serena on clay was it not....

Just in case you forgot what you said

Nonsense. When did i ever use simon's h2h to conclude he's > Fed?

Davy is less talented, he does poses good movement on clay but not as good as Fed. And when did I ever said the skinnier your are, the better mover you are on clay? Your argument isn't going anywhere.

I notice you avoid using any player at Serena's size in your argument.
 

President

Legend
What are you rambling about...I've always stated that Nadal is better than Fed on clay.

So why do you attack Serena for doing worse on clay than other surfaces when Roger is also (relatively) weaker on clay. You realize she has won the FO, right? Success does not translate onto all surfaces.
 

luvly

Professional
Nonsense. When did i ever use simon's h2h to conclude he's > Fed?

Davy is less talented, he does poses good movement on clay but not as good as Fed. And when did I ever said the skinnier your are, the better mover you are on clay? Your argument isn't going anywhere.

I notice you avoid using any player at Serena's size in your argument.

i havent avoided it because i dont need too it is not my argument... i have used smaller players to dispove your point and you are too slow to get it...

besides people have already brought up kuzzy...then there is capriati
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
So why do you attack Serena for doing worse on clay than other surfaces when Roger is also (relatively) weaker on clay. You realize she has won the FO, right? Success does not translate onto all surfaces.

You actually believe Serena is in the same league as Fed on clay? I don't think so. How many FO finals, how many titles does Fed and Serena has? Didn't think so.

I'm talking attacking...just pointing out Serena's size isn't the best to play on clay, in contrast to Fed's much more fitter. Simple as that.
 

luvly

Professional
You actually believe Serena is in the same league as Fed on clay? I don't think so. How many FO finals, how many titles does Fed and Serena has? Didn't think so.

I'm talking attacking...just pointing out Serena's size isn't the best to play on clay, in contrast to Fed's much more fitter. Simple as that.

but it has nothing to do with her size...there are other thinner players who suck on clay...

if a power player meets a clay courter on clay the clay courter is going to when unless the power player is hitting lines which is going to be tough to do

it has nothing to with her size...
sharapova who is smaller than her sucks on clay
venus smaller than her only 1 FO and much fewer semis
considering that you think that serena is the biggest thing on the WTA tour where are all these clay titles for the skinner players
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
i havent avoided it because i dont need too it is not my argument... i have used smaller players to dispove your point and you are too slow to get it...

besides people have already brought up kuzzy...then there is capriati

B/c your comparison is way off base. Fed vs. Davy compared to Serena vs Henin is comical. Davy has nothing over Fed but Serena doesn't have everything over Henin. Plus, Fed >>>>> Serena movement on clay. Henin = Davy movement on clay.
 

luvly

Professional
B/c your comparison is way off base. Fed vs. Davy compared to Serena vs Henin is comical. Davy has nothing over Fed but Serena doesn't have everything over Henin. Plus, Fed >>>>> Serena movement on clay. Henin = Davy movement on clay.

you are not even making any sense...you do realize that.

if henin is the better than serena, according to you, then that is why she wins it has nothing to do with serena's size..

you change what you say every other post
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
but it has nothing to do with her size...there are other thinner players who suck on clay...

if a power player meets a clay courter on clay the clay courter is going to when unless the power player is hitting lines which is going to be tough to do

it has nothing to with her size...
sharapova who is smaller than her sucks on clay
venus smaller than her only 1 FO and much fewer semis
considering that you think that serena is the biggest thing on the WTA tour where are all these clay titles for the skinner players

But those players also isn't as talented as Serena, why are you leaving that out. Fed is more talented and is more fit than his peers.

And how many overweight players that won the FO?
Last FO final was Schiavone and Stosur...pretty good movers on clay.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
you are not even making any sense...you do realize that.

if henin is the better than serena, according to you, then that is why she wins it has nothing to do with serena's size..

you change what you say every other post

My head hurts when I have to keep on repeating myself. I've always said Henin is better than Serena on clay and Serena has the edge on grass.
 

luvly

Professional
But those players also isn't as talented as Serena, why are you leaving that out. Fed is more talented and is more fit than his peers.

And how many overweight players that won the FO?
Last FO final was Schiavone and Stosur...pretty good movers on clay.

i am done you are to dense.

Serena has won the FO which first and foremost disproves your point

secondly i have listed smaller players who have not done well at all at the FO which disproves your point

last but not least you try and claim that all these other players havent won because they lack the talent of serena yet they have won other slams. if fact Sharapova and venus have beaten her to win slams.

you just want to go on about problems you see if serena's weight carry on in your fantsy world. continue to think that underweight players like woz and sharapova are the way all women should be when that is far from the truth.

by the way you should work on your reasoning skills
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
You just can't admit that Serena lacks success on clay b/c of her size. Serena has the movement of Roger or Henin on clay I'm pretty sure she would have a much better career on this surface. But I know you will disagree. You are too funny....Henin > Serena on clay must be all smaller players has to be > Serena on clay. And then using the more skinny players(davy, simon) has to better on clay...all which I've never said that.
 

luvly

Professional
You just can't admit that Serena lacks success on clay b/c of her size. Serena has the movement of Roger or Henin on clay I'm pretty sure she would have a much better career on this surface. But I know you will disagree. You are too funny....Henin > Serena on clay must be all smaller players has to be > Serena on clay. And then using the more skinny players(davy, simon) has to better on clay...all which I've never said that.

it has nothing to with her size...serena lacks movement on clay becausae she did not benefit from growing up playing on it Nalbandian is a large player and he is good on clay.

Wawrinka is husky he is good on clay

those two grew up playing on clay....
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Serena would be healthier if she was lighter since the day she played tennis. If you think Serena’s weight and physic is an ideal type then you are simply delusional. I suggest you should go visit a doctor(if you ever had) to learn more about good health and fitness, otherwise don’t spew your ignorant in here.

"physic"

...yeah...

Moving on:

Serena-Williams-tennis-247734_416_300.jpg


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This is not a recent photo of SW, so in your oversue of an old photo (yes we are familiar with this ploy), instead of posting the most recent image in order to gain an accurate understanding of her muscle to fat ratio, you have (once again) invalidated your limp, fake doctor routine with a ocean liner's worth of deliberate misrepresentation of SW.

To reiterate:

SW is not fat, as the muscle to fat ratio of SW is not in any recognized danger zone. Using the most recent photo and videos of Williams only proves she is not in any danger due to alleged excess weight, so your comment and the old photos are irrelevant.

You are no expert on the differences in human physiology enough to be able to apply some mythical standard, so you had to use old information to sell a poorly constructed fantasy about the woman.

Serena’s fitness can’t compared to her pinky!

Evert is not in the conversation with SW in consideration of actual physical gifts in stamina, strength, etc. To even compare a person who was troubled by the county-club-esque Tracy Ausitn illustrates your utter desperation to damn Williams in any way, no matter how absurd the idea.

Also she has great stamina/endurance, which is no surprise how dominant she was on clay. Serena fitness was poor is a testament of her weakness on clay. You can’t expect to have good stamina/endurance with so much weight.

Fitness has nothing to do with performance on clay. For example, a player such as Edberg was among the most fit of any generation, yet his results at the FO were (for the ultimate goal) not good. Once again, you make the most assbrained theories, which are not substantiated by facts.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
it has nothing to with her size...serena lacks movement on clay becausae she did not benefit from growing up playing on it Nalbandian is a large player and he is good on clay.

Wawrinka is husky he is good on clay

those two grew up playing on clay....

Serena vs. Klara at the FO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwg7liRDbik

This #100 rank player doesn’t have as much talent as Serena’s little pinky! Yet, Serena was facing elimination. Notice how sluggish Serena moves, she doesn’t even know how to slide b/c every time she off balance. The extra weight is definitely is causing the effect. The video does not lie. Even her opponent is more nimble/agile, which the reason the match was so tight.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
^Capriati was fine on clay despite not growing up on it (or did she grow up onit?

They say Fed is so good on clay b/c he grew up on it. Yet, clay isn't his best surface despite a clear 2nd best cc in this generation.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
"physic"

...yeah...

Moving on:

Serena-Williams-tennis-247734_416_300.jpg


^

This is not a recent photo of SW, so in your oversue of an old photo (yes we are familiar with this ploy), instead of posting the most recent image in order to gain an accurate understanding of her muscle to fat ratio, you have (once again) invalidated your limp, fake doctor routine with a ocean liner's worth of deliberate misrepresentation of SW.

To reiterate:

SW is not fat, as the muscle to fat ratio of SW is not in any recognized danger zone. Using the most recent photo and videos of Williams only proves she is not in any danger due to alleged excess weight, so your comment and the old photos are irrelevant.

You are no expert on the differences in human physiology enough to be able to apply some mythical standard, so you had to use old information to sell a poorly constructed fantasy about the woman.



Evert is not in the conversation with SW in consideration of actual physical gifts in stamina, strength, etc. To even compare a person who was troubled by the county-club-esque Tracy Ausitn illustrates your utter desperation to damn Williams in any way, no matter how absurd the idea.



Fitness has nothing to do with performance on clay. For example, a player such as Edberg was among the most fit of any generation, yet his results at the FO were (for the ultimate goal) not good. Once again, you make the most assbrained theories, which are not substantiated by facts.

Are you that dense? Using the current photo does not reflect all Serena’s playing years since day one. If a person who was overweight for 30 yrs and then finally lose weight and got fit, that still doesn’t take away all of those unhealthy years. You must be a huge person since you think it’s a healthier/fitter to be big. Why don’t you go and visit a doctor, have a conversation with him/her, and then get back to me instead of regurgitate more of your ignorance.

Open your eyes thundervolley, she’s NOT fit.


Evert >>>> Serena when it comes to stamina. Not even close. Further proof that you don’t watch tennis. And i'm not talking about strength. Serena is a goat in strength, but in terms of fitness, stamina, it's a joke to compare to Chris.

Using Edberg is poor. He’s a s/v player. How many s/v player have won the FO? How many?
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
They say Fed is so good on clay b/c he grew up on it. Yet, clay isn't his best surface despite a clear 2nd best cc in this generation.
Generally it is true. European are familiar on clay. However it isn't an inevitability: there ARE Europeans who're not good on clay and there are Americans who're good-to-excellent on it... like Chris Evert, Jen Cap and Jim Courier
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Are you that dense?

Apparently you are--something said quite often about you in this thread, since you cannot stop yourself from spewing ammo for their opinions.

Here's a perfect example:

Using the current photo does not reflect all Serena’s playing years since day one.

No, the issue of weight as a health risk and some wild suggection it had anything to do with her current medial issue was the topic. Dolts like yourself piled on to that with fake "my doctor" posts about present era Serena (using contradictory "evidence" of old photos), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, condition and the causes of such a condition. I'm betting you were hoping your original reason for attacking SW would be forgotten, but you will never be that lucky.

Next:

If a person who was overweight for 30 yrs and then finally lose weight and got fit, that still doesn’t take away all of those unhealthy years. You must be a huge person since you think it’s a healthier/fitter to be big. Why don’t you go and visit a doctor, have a conversation with him/her, and then get back to me instead of regurgitate more of your ignorance.

More trolling and BS from a person who comes up empty when the real issues of physiological differences are introduced into a thread, hence the crap above, and your unsubstantiated "my doctor" crap.


Evert >>>> Serena when it comes to stamina. Not even close.

Where is the proof? Your words mean nothing without the evidence, but we do have evidence that a physical creampuff like Austin had a very tight H2H with your would-be Olympian wonder Evert, which means for one with this allegedly great amount of stamina, she was challenged often by one with limited physical gifts such as Austin. If you actually watched their matches instead of creating fantasies, you would would never erect temples to Evert, or compare her to one with superior training such as Williams Building stamina to new levels is a part of this kind of training, in case you missed that.

Using Edberg is poor. He’s a s/v player. How many s/v player have won the FO? How many?

Now, you are running away from your own argument--the icing on your personal cake of failure: you were trying to convince everyone here that one needed to be in great shape in order to endure playing at clay events like the FO as yet another way of attacking Serena. Now, when a player known for great conditioning is used as a counter, you now attempt to remove Edberg from the discussion, as he invalidates your numbskulled theories.

It is no wonder so many members in this thread are picking your posts apart.
 

jones101

Hall of Fame
Serena has played the FO 7 times in the last 10 years and has only lost once during that time before the QF!
 

equinox

Hall of Fame
serena has trimmed down since retiring from tennis.

i doubt she'll be back anytime soon in official matches.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
you are not even making any sense...you do realize that.

The somewhat funny part is that he thinks he's going to convince anyone of his usual anti-Serena drivel.

if henin is the better than serena, according to you, then that is why she wins it has nothing to do with serena's size..

you change what you say every other post

Quoted for truth; he will dodge his own arguments once proven to be illogical or just a pack of lies.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Apparently you are--something said quite often about you in this thread, since you cannot stop yourself from spewing ammo for their opinions.

Here's a perfect example:



No, the issue of weight as a health risk and some wild suggection it had anything to do with her current medial issue was the topic. Dolts like yourself piled on to that with fake "my doctor" posts about present era Serena (using contradictory "evidence" of old photos), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, condition and the causes of such a condition. I'm betting you were hoping your original reason for attacking SW would be forgotten, but you will never be that lucky.

Next:



More trolling and BS from a person who comes up empty when the real issues of physiological differences are introduced into a thread, hence the crap above, and your unsubstantiated "my doctor" crap.




Where is the proof? Your words mean nothing without the evidence, but we do have evidence that a physical creampuff like Austin had a very tight H2H with your would-be Olympian wonder Evert, which means for one with this allegedly great amount of stamina, she was challenged often by one with limited physical gifts such as Austin. If you actually watched their matches instead of creating fantasies, you would would never erect temples to Evert, or compare her to one with superior training such as Williams Building stamina to new levels is a part of this kind of training, in case you missed that.



Now, you are running away from your own argument--the icing on your personal cake of failure: you were trying to convince everyone here that one needed to be in great shape in order to endure playing at clay events like the FO as yet another way of attacking Serena. Now, when a player known for great conditioning is used as a counter, you now attempt to remove Edberg from the discussion, as he invalidates your numbskulled theories.

It is no wonder so many members in this thread are picking your posts apart.

Serena is big and carry a lot weight and that's the fact. To ignore it is simply in denial.
You can post any pic of Serena in any year and she's bigger than anyone. Stop being so blind.
Overweight people that suffered health problem from the past does not recovered 100% when he/she loses weight or is physically fit. I told you go and see a doctor and find out for yourself. You simply don't understand that heavy people are more risk at health than slim people. As for Serena, putting extra weight on those knees she had a surgery on her leg in 2003 when she was still 21. That's pretty young for an athlete. And now she's suffering from blood cloth.

Evert >>>> Serena when it comes to fitness/stamina. No one even dare to argue with that(except you), don't be stupid. Chris can play plenty of tennis and sustain high level for a long period, something that Serena cannot compare to her little pinky ! You ****s self claimed Serena is the most talented player, but why she never dominate like the great graf, martina or chris? Why? B/c her weight problem hindered that chance.

Chris movement on clay >>> Serena.
Watch the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwg7liRDbik
Serena's movement is lethargic. Notice how she loses balance when reaching for the ball. Chris movement is way more fluid and effortless b/c she's extremely fit. You are so clueless


Open your eyes thundervolley
Serena-Williams-tennis-247734_416_300.jpg

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If you're telling me that Serena is just as fit as Chris then something is wrong with your eyes. And I would suggest you go and see an eye doctor.

Lastly, using Edberg was a poor example since you refuse to answer my question...how many s/v player have won the FO? How many?
Notice you don't use Lendl, Muster, Nadal or Federer. B!tch move.
 

Mick

Legend
the thing about it is: if serena was built like chris evert, she probably would not have the power that enabled her to win all those grand slam titles. the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear the name serena is power.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
the thing about it is: if serena was built like chris evert, she probably would not have the power that enabled her to win all those grand slam titles. the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear the name serena is power.

For me it is "threatening lineswomen".
 

sonicare

Hall of Fame
Serena is big and carry a lot weight and that's the fact. To ignore it is simply in denial.
You can post any pic of Serena in any year and she's bigger than anyone. Stop being so blind.
Overweight people that suffered health problem from the past does not recovered 100% when he/she loses weight or is physically fit. I told you go and see a doctor and find out for yourself. You simply don't understand that heavy people are more risk at health than slim people. As for Serena, putting extra weight on those knees she had a surgery on her leg in 2003 when she was still 21. That's pretty young for an athlete. And now she's suffering from blood cloth.

Evert >>>> Serena when it comes to fitness/stamina. No one even dare to argue with that(except you), don't be stupid. Chris can play plenty of tennis and sustain high level for a long period, something that Serena cannot compare to her little pinky ! You ****s self claimed Serena is the most talented player, but why she never dominate like the great graf, martina or chris? Why? B/c her weight problem hindered that chance.

Chris movement on clay >>> Serena.
Watch the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwg7liRDbik
Serena's movement is lethargic. Notice how she loses balance when reaching for the ball. Chris movement is way more fluid and effortless b/c she's extremely fit. You are so clueless


Open your eyes thundervolley
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If you're telling me that Serena is just as fit as Chris then something is wrong with your eyes. And I would suggest you go and see an eye doctor.

Lastly, using Edberg was a poor example since you refuse to answer my question...how many s/v player have won the FO? How many?
Notice you don't use Lendl, Muster, Nadal or Federer. B!tch move.

You are a certified moron and have been proven wrong over and over in this thread. I think you are a racist bigot TBH.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
You are a certified moron and have been proven wrong over and over in this thread. I think you are a racist bigot TBH.

Absolute truth. Everyone can see how TMF runs away from his own absurd arguments when the holes and true motives are exposed, which is the reason he avoids the original BS claim about weight as a health risk in relation to SW's recent problem (and his wholly fake "my doctor said..." routine).

Next, as we are talking about Serena's current medical condition, if anyone were to introduce weight into the topic, the only relevant photos to use are of her current shape--in other words, the present era Serena, but he already realized he could not imply a negative with that, so he uses one old photo (contradictory "evidence" to be sure), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, muscle to fat ratio, medical condition and the causes of said condition.

He has no clue regarding the physiological differences between individuals and how each person does not suffer (or benefit) from weight, or muscle in the same way. But this is what you get from someone who obsesses on certain groups of people as the model of human "perfection" in his typically hate-filled manner.

Next, he tries to sell active years Evert as some Olympian wonder, but to any who actually watched her matches (it is clear he comes up empty here) we do have evidence that a physical creampuff like Austin had a very tight H2H with Evert, which means for one with this allegedly great amount of stamina and conditioning, she was challenged often by one with limited physical gifts such as Austin.

He cannot explain this, so he (on schedule) avoids the matter.

Finally, after bolting away from his first pile of unsubstantiated BS, he comes up with some laugh-inducing theory about what kind of shape/stamina it takes to play on clay as a negative against FO champ Serena (already, the wheels of his argument are losing hot air), however, when Edberg--known for his great physical conditioning is referenced as one who did not do well there--he then shifts to a focus on Edberg's "problems" were due to being a S&V player.

Spin and dodge.

Little does this person know that his argument about fitness is only destroyed further by the fact Monica Seles--never known to be in great physical shape (with stamina building a part of any athlete's training) won the oh-so-tough clay FO three times. No matter which way this sad child tries to spin the case, he is proven wrong time after time.

As you posted earlier:

You are a certified moron and have been proven wrong over and over in this thread. I think you are a racist bigot TBH.

Truth.
 
Well accusing someone of racism because he doesn't like serena is pretty stupid...

I like serena and I think she is the strongest ever together with justine but calling someone a racist who doesn't like a black athlete is pretty cheap.
 
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