Serena Williams Hospitalized With Blood Clot Issue

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
You are a certified moron and have been proven wrong over and over in this thread. I think you are a racist bigot TBH.

Wow, got nothing better to say except flaming. You must be one of those proud overweight slob that believe is very fit and healthy. Prove wrong when facts are there right in front of your face, idiot.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Little does this person know that his argument about fitness is only destroyed further by the fact Monica Seles--never known to be in great physical shape (with stamina building a part of any athlete's training) won the oh-so-tough clay FO three times. No matter which way this sad child tries to spin the case, he is proven wrong time after time.
Truth.

I’ve destroyed every one of your arguments, and now you come up with another ignorant post. Seles was overweight or out of shape AFTER THE STAB. She did not win 3 FO after stabbing in 1993, you idiot. Pre-stab Seles was very tone, dominating, and her 8 slams is the reason why many fans have put her above Serena despite still being so young. You don’t win 3 FO for being unfit. It’s stupid to compare Serena’s weight to a fit Seles.

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LDVTennis

Professional
Wow, got nothing better to say except flaming. You must be one of those proud overweight slob that believe is very fit and healthy. Prove wrong when facts are there right in front of your face, idiot.

TMF, I like how you think.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
Pure tennis playing ability. A peak Serena playing her best would defeat any women in history except on clay.

And which great achievements does Serena have on grass, son?

What about Wimbledon?
She lost in 1998 to Ruano-Pascual in the third round.
She lost in 2000 in two set to big sis in the semis.
She lost in 2001 to Capriati in the quarters.
She beat big sis with 76 63 in the 2002 final.
And in three sets in the 2003 final (and beat Henin 63 62 in the quarters).
She was destroyed by Shrap in the 2004 final (16 46).
She lost to Craybas in two in 2005.
She lost to Enna in 2007.
She lost the final to big sis in two in 2008.
She beat big sis in 2009 with 76 62 (and #4 Demented with 8-6 in third set in the semis).
And Zvonareva in 2010.

Which was so awesome here?
2002 with a 76 63 in the final against Venus?
2003 with a 3-set win in the final against Venus?
2009 with a 76 62 in the final against an over-the-hill Venus?
Or 2010 her win against Zvonareva?
Where was the quality??
 

jswinf

Professional
I so enjoy catching the title of a thread in a sub-forum I seldom visit (because I've learned it's generally full of crap) to see if anybody's talking about new news of Serena's condition and going to the end of it only to read a bunch of crap.
 
Where was the quality??

Yep, 5 Wimbledon titles, no quality in that whatsoever.

I agree that folks like NadalAgassi who hype Serena to GOAT levels are ridiculous, but folks like you and TMF who try to undercut her achievements at every turn are just as ridiculous.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Yep, 5 Wimbledon titles, no quality in that whatsoever.

I agree that folks like NadalAgassi who hype Serena to GOAT levels are ridiculous, but folks like you and TMF who try to undercut her achievements at every turn are just as ridiculous.

Serena has only 4 W titles. If you want to lower yourself to thundervolley's level by lying so you can hype Serena, go ahead.
 
5 Wimbledon titles?
Whom are you talking of?

Serena has only 4 W titles. If you want to lower yourself to thundervolley's level by lying so you can hype Serena, go ahead.

Ok so it's 4 Wimbledon's, I miscalculated in my head. Point remains, in what world is winning 4 Wimbledon titles not impressive? @ Joe your assertion that Serena is not a quality grass court player is beyond ridiculous. Both Serena and Venus are top 5 all time on grass.
 

luvly

Professional
Ok so it's 4 Wimbledon's, I miscalculated in my head. Point remains, in what world is winning 4 Wimbledon titles not impressive? @ Joe your assertion that Serena is not a quality grass court player is beyond ridiculous. Both Serena and Venus are top 5 all time on grass.

he also implied that beating Venus was nothing but she has five wimbledon titles...
 

Mick

Legend
li na said she thought she had a chance of winning the AO because serena williams wasn't playing. that tells you something about serena w as a tennis player :)
 
Where did I say this, moron?
Links?

And you resort to namecalling as per usual. Everyone can see that you try to undercut Serena in every thread.

And which great achievements does Serena have on grass, son?

Which was so awesome here?
2002 with a 76 63 in the final against Venus?
2003 with a 3-set win in the final against Venus?
2009 with a 76 62 in the final against an over-the-hill Venus?
Or 2010 her win against Zvonareva?
Where was the quality??

So 4 Wimbledon titles and 6 finals isn't quality? Isn't a great achievement? You do anything you can to undercut Serena's achievements, everyone can see that clear as day.
 

Mick

Legend
who is the most dominant female tennis player in the post steffi graf era? that has to be serena williams, right?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
li na said she thought she had a chance of winning the AO because serena williams wasn't playing. that tells you something about serena w as a tennis player :)

That is true Mick. But reality doesn't always reflect how we see on paper. For example, had Fed not play this year AO, Murray's odd of winning would be very high. However Fed didn't make the final. We don't even know if Serena makes the final either.
 

Mick

Legend
That is true Mick. But reality doesn't always reflect how we see on paper. For example, had Fed not play this year AO, Murray's odd of winning would be very high. However Fed didn't make the final. We don't even know if Serena makes the final either.

yeah. i understand you mean. like in last year's FO, stosur beat henin, serena w, jankovic and then played schiavone in the final. on paper, stosur should win that match easily but she didn't.
 

G1PlAyer2

Rookie
And which great achievements does Serena have on grass, son?

What about Wimbledon?
She lost in 1998 to Ruano-Pascual in the third round.
She lost in 2000 in two set to big sis in the semis.
She lost in 2001 to Capriati in the quarters.
She beat big sis with 76 63 in the 2002 final.
And in three sets in the 2003 final (and beat Henin 63 62 in the quarters).
She was destroyed by Shrap in the 2004 final (16 46).
She lost to Craybas in two in 2005.
She lost to Enna in 2007.
She lost the final to big sis in two in 2008.
She beat big sis in 2009 with 76 62 (and #4 Demented with 8-6 in third set in the semis).
And Zvonareva in 2010.

Which was so awesome here?
2002 with a 76 63 in the final against Venus?
2003 with a 3-set win in the final against Venus?
2009 with a 76 62 in the final against an over-the-hill Venus?
Or 2010 her win against Zvonareva?
Where was the quality??

This means squat. Venus Williams, a 5 time champion, has lost to Karolina Sprem, Jankovic, and Pironkova. Not to mention in 2005 she barely won in the 1st and 2nd rounds going 7-5 in the 3rd before winning the tournament.

Justine Henin has also lossed to clay giants such as Aniko Kapros, Tathiana Garbin, and Sam Stosur at the French Open.

And, Enna beat Serena at Wimbledon in 2007 because Serena has the injuries from her match against Hantuchova. She would have lost 4th round if the rain hadn't saved her.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I’ve destroyed every one of your arguments

Keep dreaming, kid.

Everyone here has shot holes through your poorly "constructed" attempts to damn Serena with yet more false charges.

Point by point:

Seles was overweight or out of shape AFTER THE STAB. She did not win 3 FO after stabbing in 1993

Seles was never in top condition before the stabbing incident, and her body illustrated this. It is clear you never watched the woman in person, and only know her from some Google search.

you idiot.

This from the hypocrite who accused others of flaming. This is too easy.

Next, you have been exposed as the little boy who runs away from his own absurd arguments when the holes and true motives are exposed, which is the reason you avoid the original BS claim about weight as a health risk in relation to SW's recent problem (and his wholly fake "my doctor said..." routine).

Further, as we are talking about Serena's current medical condition, if anyone were to introduce weight into the topic, the only relevant photos to use are of her current shape--in other words, the present era Serena, but you cannot possibly imply a negative with that, so you continue to abuse one old photo (contradictory "evidence"), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, muscle to fat ratio, medical condition and the causes of said condition.

At no point in this thread have you even flirted with knowledge regarding the physiological differences between individuals and how each person does not suffer (or benefit) from weight, or muscle in the same way. But this is what you get from someone who obsesses on certain groups of people as the model of human "perfection" in your typically hate-filled manner.

Moreover, you tried to sell active years Evert as some Olympian wonder, but to any who actually watched her matches, we do have evidence that a physical creampuff like Austin had a very tight H2H with Evert, which means for one with this allegedly great amount of stamina and conditioning, she was challenged often by one with limited physical gifts such as Austin.

You avoid addressing this, so you (on schedule) avoid the matter.

Finally, after bolting away from your first pile of unsubstantiated BS, you come up with some laugh-inducing theory about what kind of shape/stamina it takes to play on clay as a negative against FO champ Serena (only a fool would have challenged that stat), however, when Edberg--known for his great physical conditioning is referenced as one who did not do well there--you shift to a focus on Edberg's "problems" were due to being a S&V player.

Spin and dodge.

Originally Posted by sonicare:
You are a certified moron and have been proven wrong over and over in this thread. I think you are a racist bigot TBH.

Truth never goes out of fashion.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
Once again, thread derailed. Hospital/DVT/PE to arguments about titles??? Gimme a break!

Anyone know how she's doing?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Keep dreaming, kid.

Everyone here has shot holes through your poorly "constructed" attempts to damn Serena with yet more false charges.

I’ve destroyed everyone of your arguments and you have conveniently ignore my posts including the actual photo of the players. You didn’t even respond to the video from youtube that I’ve uploaded.

Seles was never in top condition before the stabbing incident, and her body illustrated this. It is clear you never watched the woman in person, and only know her from some Google search.
I’ve shown you the photo but of course you are too blind to see the difference. Pre-stab Seles fitness/condition >>> Serena. Let’s keep it that way.


This from the hypocrite who accused others of flaming. This is too easy.
Not only you are an idiot, but a TWO FACES!

Next, you have been exposed as the little boy who runs away from his own absurd arguments when the holes and true motives are exposed, which is the reason you avoid the original BS claim about weight as a health risk in relation to SW's recent problem (and his wholly fake "my doctor said..." routine).
You can’t comprehend. I’ve already explained it to you but ignore everything I’ve said. Heavy people are more at risk than slim people. Serena size is not healthy, as we have seen her past history where the weight hindered her full capacity to compete. She had a surgery on her knee at 21. Notice she only has 37 titles. Go see a doctor and learn. Ask the doctor if it’s healthier to be slim or overweight. My doctor say it’s better to be slim. I take his words over your ignorance !!!!

Further, as we are talking about Serena's current medical condition, if anyone were to introduce weight into the topic, the only relevant photos to use are of her current shape--in other words, the present era Serena, but you cannot possibly imply a negative with that, so you continue to abuse one old photo (contradictory "evidence"), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, muscle to fat ratio, medical condition and the causes of said condition.
Even if you use her current photo(she’s still big), that doesn’t take away all the years that she went through suffering. Past history of good/bad health carry on to the present. Sure, Serena can tone down and get in better shape, but that doesn’t take away the wear and tear on those body for years, despite not playing full time. Go see a doctor and ask him. If Serena was healthy, she would never had a blood clot.
At no point in this thread have you even flirted with knowledge regarding the physiological differences between individuals and how each person does not suffer (or benefit) from weight, or muscle in the same way. But this is what you get from someone who obsesses on certain groups of people as the model of human "perfection" in your typically hate-filled manner.
I’m not talking about muscle, I’m talking about the extra weight she carry with her. Go back and read my post. Your last sentence is irrelevant garbage.

Moreover, you tried to sell active years Evert as some Olympian wonder, but to any who actually watched her matches, we do have evidence that a physical creampuff like Austin had a very tight H2H with Evert, which means for one with this allegedly great amount of stamina and conditioning, she was challenged often by one with limited physical gifts such as Austin.

You avoid addressing this, so you (on schedule) avoid the matter.
I avoided b/c it’s stupid to use h2h against one player and draw a conclusion. Fact is Chris was a very fit player and her resume proved it, that’s what count. Her prowess on clay is light years ahead of Serena. Not a single fan who dare to argue against Chris fitness/condition except you. No one believe you, you need more members on your side. And I love it how you ignore the photo of a fit Chris.

Finally, after bolting away from your first pile of unsubstantiated BS, you come up with some laugh-inducing theory about what kind of shape/stamina it takes to play on clay as a negative against FO champ Serena (only a fool would have challenged that stat), however, when Edberg--known for his great physical conditioning is referenced as one who did not do well there--you shift to a focus on Edberg's "problems" were due to being a S&V player.

Spin and dodge.
You just use one player(Edberg) quite sum up your desperation. I’ve asked you a simple question...how many s/v player that have won the FO but you keep duck and cover. Muster, Guga, Nadal, Fed, Lendl, Borg are all very fit and condition. And yes, they are all baseliners. Get a clue.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow, supporting sonicare when he/she defend Serena.

Truth never goes out of fashion.



BUT attack sonicare when he/she support Henin.

You hurling such a harsh insult says more about you, than rosenstar...and it is curious that you used "lowlife" about a person based on an avatar--which has nothing to do with his true nature.
Hmm..............

Your two faces making another b!tch move.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Once again, thread derailed. Hospital/DVT/PE to arguments about titles??? Gimme a break!

Anyone know how she's doing?



World No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki visited Serena Williams at her home in Los Angeles prior to heading to Indian Wells, the Danish paper Ekstra Bladet reports.

Williams recently suffered a pulmonary embolism and her return date to the tour is uncertain. "As always she was a lot of fun to be with," Wozniacki said. "She looked good, but of course she has a lot of things that need to be checked up on. But she is in good spirits."

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=10955&zoneid=25
 
Serena Williams is recovering from three major things: foot surgery, pulmonary embolism and hematoma surgery.

So, let's talk. What is a pulmonary embolism (PE)? It's a blood clot that typically starts as a DVT and travels until it lodges in the lung. A PE is very serious and can be life-threatening, depending on the size of the embolism, the number of embolism (there can be one or many) and the health of the individual.

VIDEO: What is a Pulmonary Embolism?

Why did Serena Williams get a PE? I can only guess at a few of the risk factors, and a few others are fact. Flying immediately after her foot surgery placed her at risk for a blood clot. Being stuck on a plane also means sitting still for an extended period of time, along with becoming dehydrated. Both of these things are risk factors for a blood clot. As a woman of child bearing age, she might take birth control pills (major risk factor), but I'm pretty sure she doesn't smoke (big risk factor). There's also the possibility that she has a bleeding or clotting disorder... but that is her business.

Hematoma? That's a collection of blood in an inappropriate place. Think of a blood blister, or a really big and bloody bruise, only really big and with a lot more blood in it. This can also be life-threatening, depending on location and if it is causing compression on a vital area.

What should you learn from Serena? Walk frequently after surgery. Quit smoking. Stay well hydrated. Keep an eye on your surgical site. Avoid flying for 48-72 hours after surgery. Call your doctor if you experience problems, especially if those problems include difficulty breathing.

http://surgery.about.com/b/2011/03/...olism-recovering-and-flying-after-surgery.htm
 

rommil

Legend
Serena didn't want visitors but she opened the door by mistake when she was told there's a Danish at her front door.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
Serena Williams is recovering from three major things: foot surgery, pulmonary embolism and hematoma surgery.

So, let's talk. What is a pulmonary embolism (PE)? It's a blood clot that typically starts as a DVT and travels until it lodges in the lung. A PE is very serious and can be life-threatening, depending on the size of the embolism, the number of embolism (there can be one or many) and the health of the individual.

VIDEO: What is a Pulmonary Embolism?

Why did Serena Williams get a PE? I can only guess at a few of the risk factors, and a few others are fact. Flying immediately after her foot surgery placed her at risk for a blood clot. Being stuck on a plane also means sitting still for an extended period of time, along with becoming dehydrated. Both of these things are risk factors for a blood clot. As a woman of child bearing age, she might take birth control pills (major risk factor), but I'm pretty sure she doesn't smoke (big risk factor). There's also the possibility that she has a bleeding or clotting disorder... but that is her business.

Hematoma? That's a collection of blood in an inappropriate place. Think of a blood blister, or a really big and bloody bruise, only really big and with a lot more blood in it. This can also be life-threatening, depending on location and if it is causing compression on a vital area.

What should you learn from Serena? Walk frequently after surgery. Quit smoking. Stay well hydrated. Keep an eye on your surgical site. Avoid flying for 48-72 hours after surgery. Call your doctor if you experience problems, especially if those problems include difficulty breathing.
http://surgery.about.com/b/2011/03/07/serena-williams-emergency-surgery-hematoma-and-pulmonary-embolism-recovering-and-flying-after-surgery.htm
That what we figured early on here.

She should have skipped the Oscar festivities (assuming she didn't go there for business reasons and was just trying to participate in the fun)
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Sounds like Caroline would be embarrassed by TMF being one of her "fans" based on his posting habits.

Don't be ridiculous. I want Serena to return to the tour just as much as Caro. Unlike serenatards wishe player(Henin) to retire.

Glad to hear that she’s[Serena] back. It’s better to have every players in action.
 
That what we figured early on here.

She should have skipped the Oscar festivities (assuming she didn't go there for business reasons and was just trying to participate in the fun)

Was just trying to get the thread a bit back on topic. :?

And also counter those who are foolishly attributing her health problems to weight.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
Since Serena is not playing, why bother commenting?
Why not? What's one got to do with the other?


You hate her. She's not competing. Yeah you!
Bipolar?(or as it goes nowadays biwinning?

Seriously where did you get the idea thata hate her? Just cuz I'm not part of the monolithic mob of uncritical, race-card flashing, Oracene-worshiping "you're either with us or against Serena" fan club doesn't mean I'm a hater at all

And that is aside from the fact that I don't even consider tennis weighty and profound enough matter in my life to go out of my way and indulge in hatred of stuff related to it
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Was just trying to get the thread a bit back on topic. :?

And also counter those who are foolishly attributing her health problems to weight.

Overweight is not a recipe for good health. That is the fact. I can’t believe you supporting thundervolley who see Serena as a perfect model for a tennis player. Do a research and tell me that weight problem has no effect on your health.

And I’m not strictly talking about health issue, but carrying extra weight limited your tennis activity, and lacks stamina.



Number of singles matches won
Chris Evert 1309
Serena Williams 474

You think Chris carries the same weight as Serena would not have any effect on their career? Don’t think so.
 
Let Mother Marjorie cook on this.......

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/pulmonary_embolism/article_em.htm

Pulmonary Embolism Causes

Several factors can make someone more likely to develop a blood clot that can eventually break loose and travel to the lung.

•Immobilization: A stroke, broken bone, or spinal cord injury can result in confinement to bed so that clot formation can occur in either the arms or legs.
•Travel: Prolonged travel, such as sitting in an airplane or a long car trip, allows the blood to sit in the legs and increases the risk of clot formation.
•Recent surgery
•Trauma or injury (especially to the legs)
•Obesity
•Heart disease (such as an irregular heartbeat)
•Burns
•Previous history of blood clot in the legs (DVT) or PE

Just about anyone who travels frequently is at a higher risk of developing an embolism. Couple that with a person who has recently been recovering from a "foot" surgery (somewhat immobilized), and who is not height-weight proportionate by medical standards....

Obesity in this case cannot be ruled out as a factor. Morbid obesity would be someone 100+ pounds overweight. Serena Williams is not morbidly obese, but her most recent inactivity since July has most likely increased her BMI.

All this on the heels of her tweeting about Justine. People should really learn how to handle their grudges better, because life has a way of working these things out in unexpectant ways.

Expect an announcement of retirement in the coming weeks from her and her aloof sister. That foot will never heal properly while undergoing concurrent anticoagulant therapy, oh no it will not.

Buh-bye big girl.

Mother Marjorie Ann
The Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 
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Overweight is not a recipe for good health. That is the fact. I can’t believe you supporting thundervolley who see Serena as a perfect model for a tennis player. Do a research and tell me that weight problem has no effect on your health.

And I’m not strictly talking about health issue, but carrying extra weight limited your tennis activity, and lacks stamina.

Number of singles matches won
Chris Evert 1309
Serena Williams 474

You think Chris carries the same weight as Serena would not have any effect on their career? Don’t think so.

Being overweight has nothing to do with Serena's current health problems.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/blog/dailydose/2011/03/what_serena_wil.html

The formation of dangerous blood clots is always a risk, but after foot surgery in a 29-year-old athlete? "It can happen, despite the fact that she's a fit, young woman," says Dr. Michael Jaff, medical director for the Massachusetts General Hospital Vascular Center.

Jaff says the fact that Williams traveled on a long plane trip with an immobilized foot following surgery raised her risk of developing clots. Sitting for prolonged periods where blood can pool in the feet can cause increased clotting especially if the blood is unable to circulate easily due to a bandage or cast. Those clots can then break free and travel to the lungs, where they can be fatal.

Notice he's a DOCTOR, unlike you TMF. Again, in case you missed it, Serena's blood clot and health issues have nothing to do with her weight. What is it about that statement that you can't get through your thick skull?
 

heftylefty

Hall of Fame
Why not? What's one got to do with the other?


Bipolar?(or as it goes nowadays biwinning?

Seriously where did you get the idea thata hate her? Just cuz I'm not part of the monolithic mob of uncritical, race-card flashing, Oracene-worshiping "you're either with us or against Serena" fan club doesn't mean I'm a hater at all And that is aside from the fact that I don't even consider tennis weighty and profound enough matter in my life to go out of my way and indulge in hatred of stuff related to it
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Wow....you may wanna throttle back a tad. Have you read your post? Who is flashing the race-card? (If you answer, please provide examples)
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Seriously where did you get the idea thata hate her? Just cuz I'm not part of the monolithic mob of uncritical, race-card flashing, Oracene-worshiping "you're either with us or against Serena" fan club doesn't mean I'm a hater at all

Possibly because in this single quote, you used the standard accusations of the anti-Serena clan, when there were other ways of responding.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Not only you are an idiot, but a TWO FACES!

"Two faces."

Yeah, that works......

You can’t comprehend. I’ve already explained it to you but ignore everything I’ve said. Heavy people are more at risk than slim people. Serena size is not healthy, as we have seen her past history where the weight hindered her full capacity to compete. She had a surgery on her knee at 21. Notice she only has 37 titles. Go see a doctor and learn. Ask the doctor if it’s healthier to be slim or overweight.

To reiterate, at no point in this thread have you even flirted with knowledge regarding the physiological differences between individuals and how each person does not suffer (or benefit) from weight, or muscle in the same way, nor do you understand the concept of the fat to muscle ratio. But again, this is what you get from someone who obsesses on certain groups of people as the model of human "perfection" in your typically hate-filled manner

Once again, as we are talking about Serena's current medical condition, if anyone were to introduce weight into the topic, the only relevant photos to use are of her current shape--in other words, the present era Serena, but you cannot possibly imply a negative with that, so you continue to abuse one old photo (contradictory "evidence"), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, muscle to fat ratio, medical condition and the causes of said condition.
My doctor say it’s better to be slim. I take his words

There is no doctor, otherwise you would post direct quotes or other evidence. Everyone already realized this was not going to happen, so we can conclude you are simply sprewing more lies.

jamesblakefan#1 and I disagree on much, but the timely post further seals the case against you:

Being overweight has nothing to do with Serena's current health problems.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/blog/dailydose/2011/03/what_serena_wil.html



Notice he's a DOCTOR, unlike you TMF. Again, in case you missed it, Serena's blood clot and health issues have nothing to do with her weight. What is it about that statement that you can't get through your thick skull?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I didn't read all of the posts here, but was PEDS usage mentioned as a possible cause at all?

Yep! I mentioned it but not sure it is the popular choice around here. Not saying that she uses PED's but to at least not consider it is "fantasy world" talk imo.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
"Two faces."

Yeah, that works......



To reiterate, at no point in this thread have you even flirted with knowledge regarding the physiological differences between individuals and how each person does not suffer (or benefit) from weight, or muscle in the same way, nor do you understand the concept of the fat to muscle ratio. But again, this is what you get from someone who obsesses on certain groups of people as the model of human "perfection" in your typically hate-filled manner

Once again, as we are talking about Serena's current medical condition, if anyone were to introduce weight into the topic, the only relevant photos to use are of her current shape--in other words, the present era Serena, but you cannot possibly imply a negative with that, so you continue to abuse one old photo (contradictory "evidence"), and other nonsense which does not have any bearing on SW's current weight, muscle to fat ratio, medical condition and the causes of said condition.

There is no doctor, otherwise you would post direct quotes or other evidence. Everyone already realized this was not going to happen, so we can conclude you are simply sprewing more lies.

jamesblakefan#1 and I disagree on much, but the timely post further seals the case against you:

You can’t comprehend. My initial post was not about Serena’s current PE problem, but saying heavy people are generally not healthy as slim people, just like my doctor said.

I was responding to Soianka when she said slim people are more at risk than overweight people.

You lose all credibility. Serena’s size is not an ideal in terms of good health and longevity. Most people live longer are slim, not big. Overweight people most likely to use crutches, and wheelchair during their elder year. And study show that overweight people likely to have more heart problem(b/c it has to work harder). Their health are at more risk than slimmer people.

And then you jump in....
None apply to Williams as she appears in the most recent pics or video, as she is not obese by any measure or in any danger considering the muscle to fat ratio she normally carries. Not that it needs to be said (but I will), but I noticed you did not provide any facts to support your claims.

Serena would be healthier if she shred off some pounds. Anyone who disagree with that is ignorant. Even if she is fully fit right now(which she's far from it), that doesn't take away the past years when she was very heavy.

The argument went on as you continue to deny Serena has no weight problem, and worse, saying Chris Evert has nothing over Serena in terms of fitness, healthy, or stamina.



And stop riding on jamesblakefan#1 back. You once attack him, remember??
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5442246&postcount=95

Now, that he’s defending Serena, you treat him as if he was all knowledge and wisdom. But over a week ago, he was nothing but an arrogant smart ass.


This just proved that you are dishonest in every of your posts. There’s no objectively in your post b/c you only see what you want to see. Next week you will start attacking jamesblakefan#1 again.
 

GhostDog

Hall of Fame
Serena clearly was not careful during her recovery. Did she just ignore Doctors advice, or was she given bad advice?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Your wit just cuts to my core. I'm deeply wounded.:cry:

I assumed you are a big boy now right? B/c big boys don't cry.

"No Boys Allowed. Big boys don't cry. But, if you're going to do it, do it in the toilet where no one can see." --Lakers coach Phil Jackson
 
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