Tennisisgod
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Hello a respectful Mother Marjorie Ann,
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Serena Williams Hospitalized With Blood Clot Issue
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Hello a respectful Mother Marjorie Ann,
Thank you for posting this. Your post really light up my NIGHT. Have fun!!!
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It's a hedgehog. A Google image search will show you lots of ridiculously cute photos. (Other than the ones with blue hair, of course...)
MotherMarjorie
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Ghost Dog, you pose a very interesting question.
Mother Marjorie can't imagine a physician okay'ing a cross-country flight following a lower extremity surgery. Most post-operative instructions given to patients would prohibit most travel within the first few weeks after surgery, at least until after a follow-up physicians visit.
She likely traveled against medical advice, passively that is. Who knows if she even read her post-operative instructions?
What everyone should learn from this situation is to always follow physicians orders, especially after any type of surgery. The award parties and celebrity events can always wait for another year.
With Marjorie, You Trust,
Mother Marjorie Ann
The Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
In her first public appearance since she underwent emergency treatment at a Los Angeles hospital for a pulmonary embolism, the former world number one described the experience as "the scariest moment in my life" but said she was on the road to recovery and hoping to make comeback.
"I had swelling in my leg which is a tell tale sign of embolism and I could not breath," Willaims told the Today show on Wednesday.
"I remember thinking, I'm walking but I cannot breathe, that forced me to the emergency room."
Williams said she had no idea of how ill she really was until doctors discovered the life-threatening clots during a CAT scan.
"Mine went from my leg to my lung. It travelled fast," she said.
"I still have several clots in my lung and they are still there. They have to eventually dissolve. I'm taking it a day at a time."
Williams has not played competitively since winning last year's Wimbledon championship in July.
Shortly after the victory she cut her foot on broken glass at a restaurant in Germany.
The American has had two operations on her foot since then but recently developed a hematoma, which she believes was caused by the combination of her prolonged break and frequent flights.
"Because I'm on blood thinners and on the injections...I must have hit something," she said. "Usually, your blood naturally clots around it (but) since I was on blood thinners it wasn't able to clot.
"So what started as a golf ball ended up being a grapefruit in my stomach."
Williams has won 13 Grand Slam singles titles during her glittering career but has slipped to 11th place on the world rankings during her extended absence.
The 29-year-old said she was recovering from the scare at her Californian home but was confident of regaining full fitness and returning to the courts later this year.
"I'm feeling better every day," she said. "Luckily enough I was able to catch it soon enough that my career won't be affected.
"I love tennis and now, more than anything, I have so much to look forward to."
Reuters
"I had swelling in my leg which is a tell tale sign of embolism and I could not breath," Willaims told the Today show on Wednesday.
"I remember thinking, I'm walking but I cannot breathe, that forced me to the emergency room."
Williams said she had no idea of how ill she really was until doctors discovered the life-threatening clots during a CAT scan.
"Mine went from my leg to my lung. It travelled fast," she said.
"I still have several clots in my lung and they are still there. They have to eventually dissolve. I'm taking it a day at a time."
Williams has not played competitively since winning last year's Wimbledon championship in July.
Shortly after the victory she cut her foot on broken glass at a restaurant in Germany.
The American has had two operations on her foot since then but recently developed a hematoma, which she believes was caused by the combination of her prolonged break and frequent flights.
"Because I'm on blood thinners and on the injections...I must have hit something," she said. "Usually, your blood naturally clots around it (but) since I was on blood thinners it wasn't able to clot.
"So what started as a golf ball ended up being a grapefruit in my stomach."
Williams has won 13 Grand Slam singles titles during her glittering career but has slipped to 11th place on the world rankings during her extended absence.
The 29-year-old said she was recovering from the scare at her Californian home but was confident of regaining full fitness and returning to the courts later this year.
"I'm feeling better every day," she said. "Luckily enough I was able to catch it soon enough that my career won't be affected.
"I love tennis and now, more than anything, I have so much to look forward to."
Reuters
Manus Domini
Hall of Fame
Err, in all seriousness, why do you claim to be the "Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse"? Because you really aren't...
to play devil's advocate: he's also a professional who would not want to risk alienating his patient and practice by calling Serena Fat
Tennisisgod
Banned
Thanks,cghipp. I found some cute pictures this afternoon via Google image. Hey, I found An Avertar for profile. Care to know what that is?
I am very curious why these people attacked each other for what he or she wrote.
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
With all due respect, we don't know that for sure. Just because something is stated in the media does not necessarily make it so. The media is not always forthright. Do you think that if weight or PED's had anything to do with her health issue her doctor would tell us via the media?
It's a sport, with combatants, spectators, referees and commentators of its own!I am very curious why these people attacked each other for what he or she wrote.
Spin Doctor
Professional
Man, you guys really know how to kick someone when they're down, don't you? The predominant factor in Serena having a blood clot is the fact that she had surgery. But now its because she is overweight (if you can even argue this) and went on planes? I can't stand Serena and even I am finding the comments on this thread way out of order.
Anyway...
There is no way Serena is going to be ready by Wimbledon. She is going to be on blood thinners for 3 months at least and it is unlikely she will be able to train at all. I really don't see her winning any slams this year if she is even able to play at all. She will be lucky to be back next year, if at all. There just seems to be one complication after another. This could really be the end of tennis for her.
Anyway...
There is no way Serena is going to be ready by Wimbledon. She is going to be on blood thinners for 3 months at least and it is unlikely she will be able to train at all. I really don't see her winning any slams this year if she is even able to play at all. She will be lucky to be back next year, if at all. There just seems to be one complication after another. This could really be the end of tennis for her.
Best quote on this thread so far. MY DAD JUST HAD THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPEN MONDAY! He will be in the hospital until Sunday. The doctors told him he would be on blood thinners for AT LEAST 3 months. It is dependent on if it was caused by an accident, sitting too long, or genetics. If its from an accident or genetics, he will be on them for the rest of his life. He will have to be tested weekly for the thickness of his blood level. As far as exercise, they said he would eventually be able to live a normal lifestyle (for him, very active). The doctor would advise him of when that would be based on how he reacted to the medicine.
GOOD LUCK SERENA! I know how scary it is!
Curious, what would that get well card say?
Dear Serena,
My sympathies. I know how you feel because someone once...
Carolina Racquet
Professional
I have to say those people who have no idea about the cause and treatment of DVT/PE like to speak with confidence about the cause and the prognosis.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I suffered a PE in October '10. I am 6', 176 lbs. True obesity is one possible cause of a PE, but we're talking very obese people where the excess weight causes trauma to the legs, especially when sitting.
From Serena's recent comments, it was exactly what I thought. A lot of sitting and immobilization because of her foot injury, probably while traveling by air coast to coast. Those who try to tag the obesity symptom on Serena are truly ignorant IMO.
The bigger issue was the subsequent hematoma caused by her twice a day injections of blood thinning medication prescribed for the first week or so after suffering the PE. I'm sure they took the emergency action on it because of her recent PE.
Concerning her future, her PE will most likely not slow down her return and recovery. Her foot will. Being on warfarin (blood thinners) should not inhibit her play. What they will do is periodically monitor her blood to ensure it's coagulating properly to prohibit future episodes while making sure it can coagulate when needed (cuts, bloody noses... etc.). Most likely she will be taking warfarin for 6 months.
My story was this... after getting my blood in the right "zone" for coagulating, I was given a green light to resume a very active lifestyle including competitive tennis. I felt slightly fatigued for the first couple of weeks after my return, but that was it.
Let's hope she's able to return when her foot heals.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I suffered a PE in October '10. I am 6', 176 lbs. True obesity is one possible cause of a PE, but we're talking very obese people where the excess weight causes trauma to the legs, especially when sitting.
From Serena's recent comments, it was exactly what I thought. A lot of sitting and immobilization because of her foot injury, probably while traveling by air coast to coast. Those who try to tag the obesity symptom on Serena are truly ignorant IMO.
The bigger issue was the subsequent hematoma caused by her twice a day injections of blood thinning medication prescribed for the first week or so after suffering the PE. I'm sure they took the emergency action on it because of her recent PE.
Concerning her future, her PE will most likely not slow down her return and recovery. Her foot will. Being on warfarin (blood thinners) should not inhibit her play. What they will do is periodically monitor her blood to ensure it's coagulating properly to prohibit future episodes while making sure it can coagulate when needed (cuts, bloody noses... etc.). Most likely she will be taking warfarin for 6 months.
My story was this... after getting my blood in the right "zone" for coagulating, I was given a green light to resume a very active lifestyle including competitive tennis. I felt slightly fatigued for the first couple of weeks after my return, but that was it.
Let's hope she's able to return when her foot heals.
Spin Doctor
Professional
Interesting article
http://deadspin.com/#!5774748/serena-willliamss-scary-injury-and-the-weird-way-the-tennis-media-show-their-affection
This account is from a Deadspin reader so take it with a grain of salt. But it was confirmed that she was at the conference.
So maybe its not as serious as we think it is?
The whole article pretty accurately describes the media scepticism with Serena and the Williams in general.
http://deadspin.com/#!5774748/serena-willliamss-scary-injury-and-the-weird-way-the-tennis-media-show-their-affection
This account is from a Deadspin reader so take it with a grain of salt. But it was confirmed that she was at the conference.
So maybe its not as serious as we think it is?
The whole article pretty accurately describes the media scepticism with Serena and the Williams in general.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
So, would you rather place your faith in the idiotic fantasties of TW hate mongers with no insight into an individual's medical condition? That would be the only option left to you.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You cannot post simple english.
1. As accused by many in this thread, you have created new arguments (the laughable "stamina" circus sideshow) when tha first pile of BS did not stick, as it was devoid of any medical truth.
2. There is no doctor. No one believes this lie, so you would do well to drop that sad fantasy. The only "doctor" in your life occupies the hate-clouded fantasies of your ill mind.
Let's see if I can sort out your Frankensteinian "language" to conclude that one post of agreement does not constitute "riding" anything...although you could be accused of "riding" something else.
Hm.
The bottom line:
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/heal...erena_wil.html
You are no medical professional, you have no doctor's opinion, so your 10 pages boil down to what others in this thread believe: this is another paper-thin attempt to attack a woman your psychotic ass will never know.
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MARTINBALDRIDGE
Rookie
Can only go by what I saw of Serena from about 10 metres away at Wimbledon 2010 - she is in great shape, a phenomenal athlete and in no way whatsoever needed (at that time anyway, to lose any weight)
I first saw her in 1999, when she was much "leaner" than she is now. Even back then, she carried a lot of fat on her body for a top athlete. Her fat to muscle ratio was never ideal.
You do it all the time, and it wasn't just using JBF#1. When you desperately need help, you ride on someone else with similar opinion of yours for help. But the next day you can completely turn around and BARK at that same person. It's a coward moves. I'm not surprise you disagree with me, despite you know deep down it's true. You are not an honest person.
equinox
Hall of Fame
lets get real. the general non tennis playing public doesn't give a toss about womens tennis without crossover celebrity stars like maria, serena, annak, ivanovic.
henins comeback couldn't revive the game. only thing that'll save wta sponsorships is airtime from having a real star like serena take the court.
unfortunately they pissed her off with the rule changes regarding mandatory tournaments / penalties and press / clinic show ups. giving her no choice with her aging body butt to enter semi retirement. the tour organisers can't expect to keep pushing and have no players breakdown.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I am not placing my faith in anything or anybody re this issue. I am simply saying that I do not always believe what I read in the press and there is no way to verify if what is stated is truth or some kind of PR machine at work. Either way, I hope that whatever is going on with Serena healthwise or otherwise can be resolved and she can return to tennis if that is what she wants.
Hi cc0509, weight problem from the past and present does have affect on your health. That doesn’t mean Serena’s weight was the reason of her blood clot, but no one can rule out the possibility. Had Serena was fit as Chris Evert since day one, maybe she wouldn’t have the PE during that long flight. We don't know.
It’s objective to believe a healthy, fit young people are extremely not to get a PE for having a long flight after a surgery.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
And what is 'ideal', Dr. LDV? There is such a thing as healthy fat, and though I do think Serena could at times stand to lose a few lbs (even she admits this at times), it comes nowhere close to being unhealthy or being obese, from what I see.
MotherMarjorie
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MotherMarjorie
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MotherMarjorie
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Since when has there EVER been a phenomenon known as "healthy fat"? When, where and by what scientist?
Body Mass Index....google it.
Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
Yes, there is. But how do you know the fat she is carrying is healthy? She may carry it well, but fat is not just what you see on someone's bones. It is also a component of your blood chemistry.
When people talk of obesity as being a contributing factor, what they are really saying is that: (1) people who are obese are often sedentary; and (2), people who are obese have a higher potential for fat molecules in the blood to form fatty deposits (plaque) that can detach from arteries (walls of) and become itinerant. When that plaque lodges somewhere else (e.g., the lungs), the event is referred to as an embolism.
Now, as I am sure you can figure out for yourself, some people, even if they are not per se visibly obese, have more reason to worry about fatty deposits in their arteries than others. Serena fits in this group.
MotherMarjorie
Banned
Serena has always carried the majority of her fat in her lower body. Her upper body seemed to be much more lean and muscular.
Mother Marjorie just read that they had to surgically remove that rather large hematoma from Serena's abdominal area. So, that makes, two foot surgeries, one abdominal surgery and multiple emboli spread throughout her lungs.
Mother Marjorie thinks that Alice Marble had a greater chance for recovery and return to tennis after treatment of tuberculosis. Serena turns 30 this year and her "second chances" and "comebacks" in the sport are fast fading. Oh, yes they are.
If by chance Serena is able to return this year, her game will likely be that of the 2007 season at best. The daunting question she must face is, "Should I return knowing I will never be the caliber of player I once was?" The retirement question will come up by Wimbledon. By the US Open, her fans will get tweeted.
Sometimes, Sweet Baby Jesus gives us signals in life. Forks in the road and faith that will be tested. As long as there is just one more Boyfriend Sweater in the world, Serena Williams will survive, oh yes, she will!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI3-I
Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Based on what exactly? Neiter you or I nor anyone else on here are Serena's doctors, so saying that her problems are due to obesity are pure baseless conjecture. There's been times where Serena was in worse shape then she has been in recent years (see: 05-07) and hasn't had such health issues, so to say that obesity is the cause of her issues is a stretch IMO.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I have no idea what caused Serena's blood clot. Obviously having surgery and then going on a long flight is a danger no question. I am just saying that regardless of what one reads in the press, there is no way to know for sure what is really going on with Serena. It may be the truth that the surgery/long flight did cause her clot, but, my only point is, if there were other factors going on such as weight, PED use, etc. the public is certainly not going to be made aware of those "negative" factors via the press.
TMF, I have to hand it to you in that you are persistent with your Serena not being fit argument. You could be on a nuclear physics forum and you would find a way to bring up Serena and her weight! :lol:
MotherMarjorie
Banned
Its kinda tough going for stretch volleys on grass just a few weeks after having a large hematoma surgically removed from your abdominal area.
Given her advancing age and lengthy absence, there will be no "comeback" for Serena. However, she will announce her retirement so that the WTA will throw her a party at the US Open. There will undoubtedly be some form of drama associated with that announcement. Bank on it. Maybe Richard will do a little dance like he did when Venus won her first US Open.
Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
I wonder if Mother has heard the latest...
Apparently, Serena was in Las Vegas after her recent surgery to remove a hematoma. She was a speaker at some convention. So much for her telling Matt Lauer that she was staying at home and following her doctor's orders. When will this woman stop with the drama and get real?
In any case, like Mother Marjorie, I too wonder how she is going to play while on blood thinners. Blood thinners can make you feel week. They can turn a fall (bruise) or minor cut into a major emergency.
For her sake, it is best to hope that the underlying cause for the blood clots were her recent surgery. If it was anything more inherent, such that the recent surgery was just what precipitated it, then there is always as you put it so eloquently "more Boyfriend sweaters."
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Baseless conjecture?
One of Serena's sisters is arguably obese.
Serena carries a lot of weight on her body, whether she appears fit to you or not.
She is African-American. African-Americans have a higher risk of heart disease, stemming from among other things high cholesterol levels in the blood and high blood pressure. (I asked you to look this up.)
She was diagnosed with an embolism.
Working backwards from that diagnosis, one could conjecture as you have that the root cause is her recent surgery, lack of activity, and plane travel.
Here's your problem:
Other athletes with the same kind of injuries and prolonged periods of inactivity, while treating those injuries, have not developed an embolism. Wouldn't we hear more about it if they had? So, this is not typical at all for the kind of injury Serena had. So, what is so special about her case? If I were a doctor of medicine, I certainly wouldn't think it is baseless conjecture to run a few blood tests.
MotherMarjorie
Banned
Remember when Serena had that so-called "cramp" in her calf at Wimbledon and threw herself on the grass and screamed, cried and ballyhooed for the world press. The scene was quite embarrassing.
Mother Marjorie has seen athlete's break limbs and seperate ligaments that didn't show that much drama or screamed as loud. Mother Marjorie felt Serena was being attention-seeking at that time.
Rhetorically speaking.....
How many times can someone cry wolf before the chicken comes home to roost?
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop?
Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
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Raiden
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know she went to Las Vegas after all this's happened.
Presumably it was by car. Can somebody from that area (LA metro/southern California) give me an idea how long it takes to drive from LA to Vegas?(not interested in the theoretical duration which is available on wiki and what-not but the real actual practical time it takes (basically I'm asking if anyone here actually did the trip).
You can fly there. It is an hour flight, plus getting to and form the airport (LAX), 30 minutes from the westside of LA.
It takes much longer by car, 4+hours. (I haven't done the trip recently.)
From Orange County it takes around 5 hrs., at least that’s what I experienced back then. I don’t know long it takes for today. It also depends on which days you plan to go. If it was on a holiday, expect more traffic.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
Hmmm
I have to say I rather enjoy Mother Marj, but whoever made the mistake of telling JoelDali his pseudo stream of consciousness drivel was remotely clever has done a very evil thing.
Oh, Serena? Forget it, no way back from here this season, and she has nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming back next year at 30. Personally, I have never liked her, but she has nothing left to prove when it comes to her tennis...
I have to say I rather enjoy Mother Marj, but whoever made the mistake of telling JoelDali his pseudo stream of consciousness drivel was remotely clever has done a very evil thing.
Oh, Serena? Forget it, no way back from here this season, and she has nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming back next year at 30. Personally, I have never liked her, but she has nothing left to prove when it comes to her tennis...
Raiden
Hall of Fame
In that case that Vegas trip was not by car but by plane, right? Which means Serena flew again after her emergency treatment. OK it was only an hour so there was no repetition of the risk that existed during the long flight but still why the stress? Even if her medical supervision team gave her the green light to go out of town, she should just sit tight for at least a week! After all according to Serena herself (as she told Matt Lauer) she still has few remnant blood clots left in her lung that have not yet dissipated.
Raiden
Hall of Fame
^ Bull. You don't need to be a doctor to figure any of this out just like you don't need to be a doctor to figure out that Sheen can't afford binging 7 grams of coke a day if he wants to stay alive or that you don't have to jump over the cliff in order to know what will happen. These are elementary things. If she was laid up by a "life threatening" situation on monday, why was she speaking at a business conference in Vegas on Wednesday?
In other words either it was NOT life threatening and Serena can and should continue doing business as usual, or else it was life threatening and then there can't be business as usual. Which one is it? Take your pick
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In other words either it was NOT life threatening and Serena can and should continue doing business as usual, or else it was life threatening and then there can't be business as usual. Which one is it? Take your pick
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Let's put it this way.
Serena and her entourage wanted us to think it was life-threatening. She told Matt Lauer it was the scariest thing that ever happened to her.
She then went to Vegas to make a quick buck.
So, maybe, it wasn't that life threatening. Or, she puts a higher priority on making money then on getting well.
And, she and her family wonder aloud why some crowds never cheer for her.
It's not "pure baseless conjecture" because conjecture assumes that such an argument possibly has some merit.
Serena is not obese by any defintion of the word. Therefore, she could not possibly have "health issues" due to "obesity"
Anyone who would suggest otherwise is not worth having a conversation with.
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