Serena Williams Hospitalized With Blood Clot Issue

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
How did Serena recover so fast and just start making media appearances? Maybe her situation was not as serious as the media portrayed it.
 

G1PlAyer2

Rookie
Let's put it this way.

Serena and her entourage wanted us to think it was life-threatening. She told Matt Lauer it was the scariest thing that ever happened to her.

She then went to Vegas to make a quick buck.

So, maybe, it wasn't that life threatening. Or, she puts a higher priority on making money then on getting well.

And, she and her family wonder aloud why some crowds never cheer for her.

It does not matter what crowds cheer for her. She still has legions of fans, whether you like it alot, and considering she's almost a quarter of a billionaire, you are just going to have to live with it. :)
 

G1PlAyer2

Rookie
It's not "pure baseless conjecture" because conjecture assumes that such an argument possibly has some merit.

Serena is not obese by any defintion of the word. Therefore, she could not possibly have "health issues" due to "obesity"

Anyone who would suggest otherwise is not worth having a conversation with.

This, I just scurried past that 'Serena is overweight" BS. Not even worth trying to have a convo with the morons.

But, no surprise. These are the same people who were celebrating this PE Serena had, even some wishing death.
 

ivan_the_terrible

Hall of Fame
^ Bull. You don't need to be a doctor to figure any of this out just like you don't need to be a doctor to figure out that Sheen can't afford binging 7 grams of coke a day if he wants to stay alive or that you don't have to jump over the cliff in order to know what will happen. These are elementary things. If she was laid up by a "life threatening" situation on monday, why was she speaking at a business conference in Vegas on Wednesday?

In other words either it was NOT life threatening and Serena can and should continue doing business as usual, or else it was life threatening and then there can't be business as usual. Which one is it? Take your pick
.

Totally agree. Isn't amazing how some people throw simple logic out the door to justify their bias? This is the same reasoning religious folks use to delude themselves that their beliefs are not as ridiculous as the ones they discard.

Pathetic!
 

LDVTennis

Professional
It does not matter what crowds cheer for her. She still has legions of fans, whether you like it alot, and considering she's almost a quarter of a billionaire, you are just going to have to live with it. :)

Almost a quarter of a billionaire? You don't say? Folks, it seems someone is living vicariously through Serena.

As to the crowds not cheering for her, Williams' fans care all right. That is why they are always whining about it. See tennisforum for the proof.
 
Let's put it this way.

Serena and her entourage wanted us to think it was life-threatening. She told Matt Lauer it was the scariest thing that ever happened to her.

She then went to Vegas to make a quick buck.


So, maybe, it wasn't that life threatening. Or, she puts a higher priority on making money then on getting well.

And, she and her family wonder aloud why some crowds never cheer for her.
LDV, there are a HUGE amounts of inconsistencies with this entire story.

First, anyone suspected, then diagnosed with multiple pulmonary emboli via CT scan would be an immediate candidate for what is called a "greenfield filter" inserted in the inferior vena cava to stop further blod clots from going into the lungs. Given the fact she would have been at a higher risk for these clots, Mother Marjorie is suspicious that this procedure was never mentioned.

Then, with all the "life threatening" drama revealed to Matt Lauer, she travels all the way to Las Vegas. Now any type of trip like that would not be advised by a physician. In fact, Mother Marjorie is puzzled as to why Serena Williams wasn't hospitalized longer?

None of it is making sense, now.

Mother Marjorie now wonders if that surgical procedure to remove a hemotoma from her abdomen was actually for that purpose. Perhaps Serena was having something else removed...something un Common, if you know what Mother Marjorie means. You betcha!

Serena is lying again, which generally means she's attempting to cover-up something.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 
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In that case that Vegas trip was not by car but by plane, right?
Mother Marjorie opines that if Serena Williams flew by Southwest Airlines, they might have required her purchase two seats. One......two........

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
This, I just scurried past that 'Serena is overweight" BS. Not even worth trying to have a convo with the morons.
But, no surprise. These are the same people who were celebrating this PE Serena had, even some wishing death.

Maybe you can have her sit on you lap and see how it feel. And don't keep it pass 5 minutes, you might end up with a blood clot too.
 

LDVTennis

Professional
None of it is making sense, now.

Mother Marjorie now wonders if that surgical procedure to remove a hemotoma from her abdomen was actually for that purpose. Perhaps Serena was having something else removed...something un Common, if you know what Mother Marjorie means. You betcha!

Serena is lying again, which generally means she's attempting to cover-up something.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Whatever the truth is, there is one thing we can always count on.

That is Mother Marjorie's ability to entertain.

Here's to the Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis.
 
Maybe you can have her sit on you lap and see how it feel. And don't keep it pass 5 minutes, you might end up with a blood clot too.
Oh, TMF. You just made Mother Marjorie spill her Green Tea, oh, yes you did!

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

ivan_the_terrible

Hall of Fame
Being a relative noob here, I have no idea who this Mother Marjorie is, but she/it is right on the ball this time around.

Having said that, I'm always a little creeped out by people who speak in the third person; that Holmes/Doc Watson person is another :-?

On the other hand, that Jimmy guy on one Seinfeld episode was quite hilarious!
 

big ted

Legend
She wants to return to the tour THIS SUMMER????? I think Serena's crazy if that's her plan.

if its not as serious as the news stories make it out to be i suppose its possible. if shes well enough to go to vegas 2 days later it could be possible to come back in the summer?? she does have a flair for drama so when she says "it was the scariest moment in my life" , i wouldnt take much out of it, she seems like the kind of person who would say that about anything mabye once a week..

i just find it peculiar she hasnt played since wimbledon due to a broken glass, but wasnt she well enough to play an exhibition match after that, and now its been 8 months and she still cant play? also i think this news story came out exactly one day after it was publicized she was coming back for the french, to delay her comeback longer. she obviously doesnt want to play for some reason. maybe its an insurance payout? who knows..
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I'm not surprise you disagree with me, despite you know deep down it's true

Nothing you post has any connection to truth, or medical fact.

To reiterate: As accused by many in this thread, you have created new arguments (the laughable "stamina" circus sideshow) when tha first pile of BS did not stick, as it was devoid of any medical truth.

Next, your reference to "my doctor" is BS. There is no doctor. No one believes this lie.

You are no medical professional, you have no doctor's opinion, so your 13 pages boil down to what others in this thread believe: this is another paper-thin attempt to attack a woman you will never know

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/heal...erena_wil.html

...is a proven source...not your desperate mission of hatred having no bearing on medical fact.
 
Maybe you can have her sit on you lap and see how it feel. And don't keep it pass 5 minutes, you might end up with a blood clot too.

umm she isn't that big. She would need to be like 300lbs+ for that to happen. And it would need to be for longer than 5 minutes.
 

John_Doe

Rookie
I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.
 
I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.
Hello, Internet Doctor John_Doe!

Is it common for people who have multiple emboli lodged in their lung fields to have a greenfield filter placed in the vena cava in order to reduce the chances of any future clots traveling to the lungs?

Why wouldn't a greenfield filter be offered to someone who sprayed emboli to their lungs from a lower extremity? Wouldn't that individual be at higher risk for future pulmonary emboli?

Mother Marjorie would like to know.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.
If this is the case, I retract my earlier statements about doubting Serena's medical situation. I really hope Serena can recover soon and get back on court.
 

imalil2gangsta4u

Hall of Fame
I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.

Wow. Actually someone on this topic that knows what they are talking about.

Thanks John_Doe
 

Spin Doctor

Professional
I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.

Thanks for your input. Just curious, would a doctor give a patient clearance to travel a short-haul airline flight, say from LA to Vegas, 2 days after such an incident?
 
(Mother Marjorie quietly ponders why when someone online claims to be a physician, people act like they've seen this persons license. Note to discussion group: don't believe everything you read, children.)

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
(Mother Marjorie quietly ponders why when someone online claims to be a physician, people act like they've seen this persons license. Note to discussion group: don't believe everything you read, children.)


Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse

That is for damn sure and that is the bottom line here. We should not believe everything we read and there is no way of knowing if what is being stated in the media about Serena's case is the truth. That is just how PR works in the real world.
 
I am sorry, but I could not help but do a quick google of 'pulmonary embolism hospitalization' and came across this news article, which says that (LOS is length of stay in hospital)

http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/573147

"Compared with patients who had an LOS of 5 to 6 days, those with an LOS of 4 days or less had a significantly higher adjusted postdischarge mortality rate"​

Goes to show that you cannot believe everything you read on the internet. Besides, 25% is hardly a reassuring ratio IMO.

I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
^ ...and here we are: your true motive forbeing in this thread--schoolyard slurs.

You have no sense of humor. Healthy mentally people like MotherMarjorie have great sense of humor.

"A lack of sense of humor is directly related to a lower self esteem"

I feel sorry for you.
 
N

NadalAgassi

Guest
and that got her just as many FO wins as serena did 1

However for Capriati winning any slam is indication it must be a very good surface for her. She doesnt win alot of them after all. Serena on the other hand to win only 1 makes it stand out as clearly her worst surface. You cant really compare the two other than the fact they each have 1 French must mean clay is a way better surface for Capriati than Serena since Serena is so much better a player than Capriati overall, that if they are about equal on clay it obviously suits Capriati alot more.

Still she is underrated on clay because of how great she is on other surfaces. She is arguably the 2nd best clay courter of her era. Only Kuznetsova would I possibly argue against her at this point.
 

LDVTennis

Professional
Still she is underrated on clay because of how great she is on other surfaces. She is arguably the 2nd best clay courter of her era. Only Kuznetsova would I possibly argue against her at this point.

Arguably the 2nd best clay court of her era? LOL. As if we needed any more proof of how terrible this era has been.
 

edman9898

Professional
I am sorry, but I could not help but do a quick google of 'pulmonary embolism hospitalization' and came across this news article, which says that (LOS is length of stay in hospital)

http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/573147

"Compared with patients who had an LOS of 5 to 6 days, those with an LOS of 4 days or less had a significantly higher adjusted postdischarge mortality rate"​

Goes to show that you cannot believe everything you read on the internet. Besides, 25% is hardly a reassuring ratio IMO.

As I stated before, my dad just was admitted Monday to the hospital for the exact same thing as Serena. He was released today and the doctor told him he could go back to work on Monday! He is an engineer for the railroad and sits on the train for as much as 12 hours at a time! Apparently, when the clot breaks loose and goes to the lungs, it travels through the heart FIRST. This is when the highest risk of death occurs. Once they are in your lungs, the doctor said there is little risk.

And Mother Marjorie, the greenfield filter was not placed in my father either, and his was in his right calf. I guess you don't know quite as much as you think you do. If there are not more clots in the legs and the original clot begins to dissolve, there is no need. However, if clots appear again, THEN they will discuss putting one in.

People on this part of the board disgust me with how much they THINK they know. Hence the reason I seldom visit the pro player discussions.
 
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TenniseaWilliams

Professional
And what is 'ideal', Dr. LDV? There is such a thing as healthy fat, and though I do think Serena could at times stand to lose a few lbs (even she admits this at times), it comes nowhere close to being unhealthy or being obese, from what I see.

Since when has there EVER been a phenomenon known as "healthy fat"? When, where and by what scientist?

Body Mass Index....google it.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Perhaps our drama queen could take her own advice before giving out too much more medical "Knowledge".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Typical body fat amounts

Different cultures value different body compositions differently at different times, and some are related to health or athletic performance. Levels of body fat are epidemiologically dependent on gender and age.[2] Different authorities have developed different recommendations for ideal body fat percentages. The table below describes different percentages but is not a recommendation (from the American Council on Exercise).[3]:
Description Women Men
Essential fat 10-13% 2-5%
Athletes 14-20% 6-13%
Fitness 21-24% 14-17%
Average 25-31% 18-24%
Obese 32%+ 25%+

Essential fat is the level below which physical and physiological health would be negatively affected. Controversy exists as to whether a particular body fat percentage is better for one's health; athletic performance may also be affected. The leanest athletes typically compete at levels of about 6-13% for men or 14-20% for women. Bodybuilders may compete at ranges even lower than these levels. Certified personal trainers will suggest to male bodybuilders that they aim for a body fat percentage between 2–4% by contest time[citation needed]. However it is unclear that such levels are ever actually attained since (a) the means to measure such levels are, as noted below, lacking in principle, and (b) 3% is generally considered a physiological minimum for human males.
 

edman9898

Professional
Mother Marjorie - Just noticed that all of your posts were in the pro player discussion and odds and ends section. Do you even play tennis, or just some worthless troll? Most TENNIS players like to discuss their racquets and strings from time to time. You need to go back to being a grandma, taking care of babies instead of providing "knowledge" of which medical doctors say differently. Oh, yes, YOU do!
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
May I suggest to Serena to buy a Table Tennis table and play on it? It is low impact, keeps her moving, and her reflexes sharp, while she convalesces.
She can do that juggling a dozen donuts all day.

This post jointly sponsored by Dunkins and Krispy Kreme.
 

Spin Doctor

Professional
Mother Marjorie - Just noticed that all of your posts were in the pro player discussion and odds and ends section. Do you even play tennis, or just some worthless troll? Most TENNIS players like to discuss their racquets and strings from time to time. You need to go back to being a grandma, taking care of babies instead of providing "knowledge" of which medical doctors say differently. Oh, yes, YOU do!

Speaking for myself, I play tennis and I only post in the Match Results and Pro Player discussion. Some of us are not equipment geeks (or are satisfied with our current setup) and recognize that results are about the person holding the racket, not the strings. Also, I wouldn't look on this forum for any training or playing advice as I don't consider anyone here an expert.
 

edman9898

Professional
Speaking for myself, I play tennis and I only post in the Match Results and Pro Player discussion. Some of us are not equipment geeks (or are satisfied with our current setup) and recognize that results are about the person holding the racket, not the strings. Also, I wouldn't look on this forum for any training or playing advice as I don't consider anyone here an expert.

True enough. You are not a worthless troll though either! :)
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Speaking for myself, I play tennis and I only post in the Match Results and Pro Player discussion. Some of us are not equipment geeks (or are satisfied with our current setup) and recognize that results are about the person holding the racket, not the strings. Also, I wouldn't look on this forum for any training or playing advice as I don't consider anyone here an expert.
But this is still the best place to buy or sell western grips :oops:
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
Mother Marjorie - Just noticed that all of your posts were in the pro player discussion and odds and ends section. Do you even play tennis, or just some worthless troll? Most TENNIS players like to discuss their racquets and strings from time to time. You need to go back to being a grandma, taking care of babies instead of providing "knowledge" of which medical doctors say differently. Oh, yes, YOU do!

LOL :smile:
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Mother Marjorie - Just noticed that all of your posts were in the pro player discussion and odds and ends section. Do you even play tennis, or just some worthless troll? Most TENNIS players like to discuss their racquets and strings from time to time. You need to go back to being a grandma, taking care of babies instead of providing "knowledge" of which medical doctors say differently. Oh, yes, YOU do!

What the heck does that have to do with anything? Whether she posts in other areas of the forum determines her worth as a poster? That is logical! :rolleyes:

You have heard that people are entitled to their own opinions right? That is what a forum is for--i.e. to see different opinions. You don't have to agree with her opinion but you don't have to be rude!

Mother Marjorie: I can't speak for you but I would ignore this troll!
 

edman9898

Professional
What the heck does that have to do with anything? Whether she posts in other areas of the forum determines her worth as a poster? That is logical! :rolleyes:

You have heard that people are entitled to their own opinions right? That is what a forum is for--i.e. to see different opinions. You don't have to agree with her opinion but you don't have to be rude!

Mother Marjorie: I can't speak for you but I would ignore this troll!

Troll, eh? I have posted in this section of the forums MAYBE 10 times. The rest of the time, I post in the racquets and strings sections trying to help others out. As for posting in other sections, did you not see my comment saying that Spin Doctor was correct?:confused: I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when someone states that her (MotherMarjorie) information is fact, that is NOT opinion. As I said before, my father just went through the same thing as Serena last week, and he was released to go back to work today. He sits for 12 hours at a time on his job, so what's a 4 hour car ride to Vegas?
 

LDVTennis

Professional
What the heck does that have to do with anything? Whether she posts in other areas of the forum determines her worth as a poster? That is logical! :rolleyes:

You have heard that people are entitled to their own opinions right? That is what a forum is for--i.e. to see different opinions. You don't have to agree with her opinion but you don't have to be rude!

Mother Marjorie: I can't speak for you but I would ignore this troll!

One definition for a troll:

A person whose first post on a subject is exclusively a personal attack on another person, rather than a "rational" reply to that person's argument or opinion.

Now, this act of trolling would be somewhat excusable if this person had a running dialogue with Mother Majorie over an argument she made previously, but in this case it seems the person in question just thinks he is smarter than everyone else because he blathers about the size of his racquet face elsewhere on this forum.
 

edman9898

Professional
One definition for a troll:

A person whose first post on a subject is exclusively a personal attack on another person, rather than a "rational" reply to that person's argument or opinion.Now, this act of trolling would be somewhat excusable if this person had a running dialogue with Mother Majorie over an argument she made previously, but in this case it seems the person in question just thinks he is smarter than everyone else because he blathers about the size of his racquet face elsewhere on this forum.

My first post on the matter was a couple pages back and had nothing to do with anyone. I dont think I'm smarter than anyone else, I just know the facts about PE's. As I said before, my dad just went through this last week. You might know all of this if you read all of the thread. Anyway, I am done with this mess. It has gotten off topic (and I know I am partially to blame), and many people only want to bicker back and forth. This is the reason I don't visit this part of the board often.
 

edman9898

Professional
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Doe
"I am a physician, and it is not uncommon for a patient with a PE to be perfectly fine within a day or two of starting therapy. In fact, studies show that more than 25% of patients with pulmonary emboli have hospital stays of less than 4 days."

Now, MotherMarjorie:

Hello, Internet Doctor John_Doe!

Is it common for people who have multiple emboli lodged in their lung fields to have a greenfield filter placed in the vena cava in order to reduce the chances of any future clots traveling to the lungs?

Why wouldn't a greenfield filter be offered to someone who sprayed emboli to their lungs from a lower extremity? Wouldn't that individual be at higher risk for future pulmonary emboli?

Mother Marjorie would like to know.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse

When someone tries to explain FACTS about PE, she immediately questions his occupation. Is this not considered trolling? >_< But then again, you are her little buddy, huh? I am done now, goodbye!
 

edman9898

Professional
(Mother Marjorie quietly ponders why when someone online claims to be a physician, people act like they've seen this persons license. Note to discussion group: don't believe everything you read, children.)

Mother Marjorie Ann
Undisputed Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse

One more instance of trolling, for the record. Doctor or not, he was spot on with his statement.
 
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