MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Ok bestie lol
Serena Williams' last match: The Most Watched Tennis Match in ESPN's History
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Ok bestie lol
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Of course they have short memories, or the truth of the matter is that certain people are ignorant of history--a handy way of inflating the status of Martina, who is another player on record in acknowledging Serena's superiority.
Whoops.
Martina and the ever-overrated Evert lost to more than "top"players in their day, yet the same subversive types stumble into every Serena thread to post the same, easily debunked scribbling. Oh, but it does not end there, since we know the board's biggest fan of a certain immoral player had to attack Serena's appearance.
They can waste their time attacking Serena, but she changed tennis and sports history in general which cannot be said about a few long-retired players.
Serena's phenomenal impact will outlast the creatures who live to attack her (and a distinctive trait about her by association).
Please enlighten us with any of Serena’s achievement. Any metric where she beats the names you have taken be it “over rated” . Phenomenal impact may be felt by opponents when she howled right on the net, but surely it doesn’t reflect in any all time achievement.
with due apologies, despite several requests for any such records she has made, I always get to find sweeping statements and condescending remarks about other great players
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greater player how? Lol
An era in which Wozniaki type players became number one. The last 22 slams have had 14 different winners, all new. No consistency at all post 2012 even in reaching quarter finals. A qualifier winning the slam. And yet, Serena was not able to grab hold of one solid achievement be it total slams or grand slam.
and you are saying she is a greater player than players who have an established records and evidence of consistence performance.
its an hilarious statement
big ted
Legend
im saying if they all played each other in their primes, serena would probably win, hence the greater player. but that has to do with the progression of tennis.
but to me GOAT has to do with career records so i would not call her the GOAT. does that make sense?
I think you are under the misunderstanding that the definition of wrong is what you say is wrong. It doesn't happen that way.
Just because Serena is an american and has always been using a victim card, doesn't make her greatest. She was the only american, man or woman, since the last 30 years who was consistent and Americans, whether they love tennis or not, have been desperate to have her replacement and at the same time, hype her to be the greatest that ever was. Her accomplishments, by any criteria, does not fall in the top 3.
Any established number one player would attract the same level of on site attention at her/his home ground for sure. And if their match follows weeks of hype in the front pages informing that it is their last match (or for that matter one of their last matches) then the viewership would be even greater.
Important to highlight here that post 2010, Serena has also been pulling out a drama in almost every second final she has played at USO, using the home crowd advantage and every time showing more creativity. First a race card, then a gender card and finally when we thought that that was it, came a mom card; so entertainment at its peak so who would not want to have additional entertainment in the same ticket.
Other greats have a lot of other facts and evidences to show they are the legend of the sport and popular in culture. It is extremely sad to see that, when asked as to share any of her accomplishment where she leads, you have to use such lame evidences to show that she is a legend.
What makes you say that? I can say that Court, Graf and Navratilova would have defeated her in straight sets. I don't compare one era to another, but can surely say that the most inconsistent era of women's tennis was post 2010 when Henin and Clijsters had both retired. And yet, she could not break any record whatsoever. A qualifier wins a slam, and we all witnessed her hopelessness and desperation to win one more slam. No grand slam, no match winning streak even in those conditions.
RaulRamirez
Legend
So, in a career of more than 1,000 matches (winning 85%) and more than 400 matches at slams (winning 87%), you pick out three matches? Do you realize how unfair that is?
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I don't know if Serena is the greatest women's player of all-time (while Open Era isn't as big a change for women as it was for men, I still look at this as an OE thing, so not counting Court and those who preceded her), but to me, she's in the running, along with Graf, Navratilova and Evert. She's as good a choice as any of them, but there are too many variables among them to compare.
This thread was about the ratings for her last match and clearly, Serena (whether the very greatest or not) transcended tennis popularity and was well-known to many who weren't simply tennis fans. If she made it to the finals, and people knew that it would be her final match (there was no way of knowing she would lose this particular match), the ratings would have been massive.
Nobody asked me, but I have mixed feelings about her. At times, I found her - in interviews and commentary - very bright, charming, etc, but there's also the Serena of her meltdowns. The ones in the Osaka and Clijsters matches are hard for me to get past. Then again, I also admire how both Venus and Serena got to the very top, facing very long odds and prejudice along the way. Put it this way: My favorite person in tennis history that occurred in my lifetime was the late, great Arthur Ashe -- brilliant, strong convictions (and not just for himself, for many others) and yet, the consummate sportsman.
Everybody is entitled to have their favourite. All great players have transcended tennis popularity. The sudden influx of a pool of talent in WTA that started to emerge since late 80's till 2007 has been unmatched. You just can't take credit away from any player, just to glorify your favourite player (and I am not talking about you here. this is what has been happening). All great players have been my favourite and I defend them as an avid tennis fan, be it Court, Becker, Navratilova, Graf, Hingis, Edberg, Sampras, Capriati,or Hingis. Serena played too much of a victim card, so it became difficult to watch her, though I have never said she is not a great player.
It's sports and everyone can have a good or bad day. I agree that the greatest has to show consistency and reliability but one off losses are part of every game. I think, in the Racquet game, it was one player from Pakistan who has a record of not losing to any player for almost 6 years. that rarely happens
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Kid, let me introduce you to two former players who are on record stating Serena is a superior player to both...
Still living in denial? Take it up with Navratilova and Evert, and after they reiterate a universal truth, it will leave you bitter as ever.
hahahah grandkidKid, let me introduce you to two former players who are on record stating Serena is a superior player to both...
Still living in denial? Take it up with Navratilova and Evert, and after they reiterate a universal truth, it will leave you bitter as ever.
That's hilarious. Since Serena doesn't have any such achievement, you need two American players to put in their words that she is the greatest. I had a really good laugh. and for that matter, Navratilova was also saying the same thing about Raducanu in the USO final a year back, lol.
And every player is not like Serena, boasting about themselves. It's a norm that you talk good about other players. It's hilarious that you took it literally. Who else on earth, other than Serena would praise herself kiddo
And please share one record achievement of Serena, I beg you. Oh i just recalled, she leads in making most money. Have a good day kid
RaulRamirez
Legend
How would you answer the same question you keep posing?
What are the record achievements of other players that you are citing, records that put them ahead of Serena?
What are the categories/records you consider to be so important, and how far back in history are you going?
big ted
Legend
that was what I was trying to say. nobody would agree either. Glad we agree.
big ted
Legend
so you're saying nobody would agree with me that serena in her prime would beat them in their prime ? well ill just stop right there then becuz its pretty obvious to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes. Henin beat Serena in her prime. If Serena was that great as you are trying to make her, she would have a lot of accomplishments tagged to her. She has none
Serena Williams has made the 2nd most grand slam finals. One less than Chris Evert
She has won the 2nd most Slams- One less than Court
She is fourth in winning percentage in finals behind Graf, court and Wills.
She beats Graf and Evert and Navs and Willis in slam wins
She beats She beats Evert and Navs in finals winning percentage
She beats Graf, Navs, Willis, and court in slam finals appearances.
This combined make her a very good candidate for best of all time. Now that being said I dont believe anyone can determine that based on the different eras. I do agree with Thunder volley that she has probably made the biggest impact on the ladies game. Although that's a good debate as well. Regardless she is one of the best of all time.
I will even add she is tied for 1st with Graf at most consecutive weeks at #1
And is 3rd all time for total weeks at #1 behind Graf and Navs.
She has won the 2nd most Slams- One less than Court
She is fourth in winning percentage in finals behind Graf, court and Wills.
She beats Graf and Evert and Navs and Willis in slam wins
She beats She beats Evert and Navs in finals winning percentage
She beats Graf, Navs, Willis, and court in slam finals appearances.
This combined make her a very good candidate for best of all time. Now that being said I dont believe anyone can determine that based on the different eras. I do agree with Thunder volley that she has probably made the biggest impact on the ladies game. Although that's a good debate as well. Regardless she is one of the best of all time.
I will even add she is tied for 1st with Graf at most consecutive weeks at #1
And is 3rd all time for total weeks at #1 behind Graf and Navs.
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Thanks for being the first person to answer some of the questions I had asked, really appreciate. And it was to my surprise as well that she doesn’t lead anywhere. Yet, though individual opinions don’t matter, I consider her one of the greats to be counted in top 4, so one of the best but definitely not the best.
The biiggest impact on ladies game the credit goes to the pre open era greats. Women had so many challenges them in all areas. By the time Serena came , there was hardly any challenge left. The money was already being paid and btw, equal payment for men and women is something which is not fair as they are two different games but that comes from the ongoing global movement for diversity and inclusivity. We all know that we have to pay twice to buy a men’s ticket and women matches are only three setters at most. So compensation must be in line with the revenue.
Purestriker
Legend
Have you ever been to a grand slam tournament?
big ted
Legend
Kid, let me introduce you to two former players who are on record stating Serena is a superior player to both...
Still living in denial? Take it up with Navratilova and Evert, and after they reiterate a universal truth, it will leave you bitter as ever.
its no use.. apparently @10nispro knows more about tennis than martina and chris combined
You have yet to share Serena’s achievement other than endorsement from two American playersits no use.. apparently @10nispro knows more about tennis than martina and chris combined
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big ted
Legend
she has the most GS singles titles in the open era. btw evert and martina are not just "two american players",
theyre two of if not THE greatest of all time, im not sure if you have a point or if youre just being
a contrarian?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
This whole page is hilarious lol, I wonder why Serena's success burns people up so much
If you have read the page, I haven’t seen anyone burning to see her success. It’s the exaggeration part and the efforts to take success away from other players that this thread is about. And nobody has even given any evidence of her success as the greatestThis whole page is hilarious lol, I wonder why Serena's success burns people up so much
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Why don’t you answer me. Any achievement of hers, evidence of success as her being the greatest?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I may have missed something, but according to your list she's only first with consecutive weeks at no.1. And that's a tie.
Even then the computer ranking only began in November 1975. That omits previous accomplishments of Court, King and Evert, the latter the first player to be ranked no.1 on the computer. I would assume this would add to her 'official' total given she won the French and Wimbledon in 1974 and many other tournaments.
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