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Bet Konta will be on the other side of the draw
Serena Williams seeded 17 at U.S. Open, nine spots above her ranking
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vandre
Hall of Fame
per wikipedia, clijsters was unseeded at the 2009 us open (which she would go on to win). she was given wildcards for cincy, the rodgers cup and the us open.
en route to her us open victory, clijsters beat 5 seeded players (14 bartoli/ 2nd round, 3 v. williams/ 4th round, 18 li na/ qf, 2 s. williams/ sf, 9 wozniacki/ f).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Clijsters#2009:_Comeback_and_second_US_Open_title
en route to her us open victory, clijsters beat 5 seeded players (14 bartoli/ 2nd round, 3 v. williams/ 4th round, 18 li na/ qf, 2 s. williams/ sf, 9 wozniacki/ f).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Clijsters#2009:_Comeback_and_second_US_Open_title
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VigiliantEagle
New User
Serena is greatly privileged and her return was made way easier unlike other tennis mothers.Yet she still thinks she is being discriminated and the world is against her.
Yes, you are right. The FACT that she’s being/ has been drug tested more than the other top players was just a figment of her imagination. She must have made that up. Again, this was not her decision, it was the decision of the USTA. Strange that it’s her you attack and not them.
SQA333
Hall of Fame
So a woman with a perfectly legitimate seeding should be bumped up because you’re her fan?
VigiliantEagle
New User
She was NOT drug tested more than any other top player.Serena had been tested 5 times in 6 months less than Halep and Wozniacki.Cornet had been tested 20(!!)times last year.Federer was tested 7 times in one month.Is that because of his colour too?
VigiliantEagle
New User
I bet Serena's team baught this seeding because after 7 months of being back Serena couldn't bear to be behind Sharapova.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Azarenka is not a US citizen, duh
She already had personal issues for not having that privilege.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Only one person got screwed over by this decision and that was Gavrilova who went from a top 24 seed to #25. As for pregnancy being a choice, remember that without women having children, there would be no tennis so to punish women for continuing the next generation is insanely stupid and the WTA are finally trying to do something about this. Again, I hope Serena isn’t the exception and she is now the rule but only time will tell.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
If you think the only reason she got bumped a bracket is because of her fans and not also because she had a baby less than 12 months ago shows how stupid some people are on this forum.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Yeah Serena was scared of her pigeon who she hasn’t lost to in 14 years. Lmao y’all are a joke.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Primavera
Rookie
What do races have to do with seeding? Serena! Is that you? It's you who has a nice habit of refering to race and gender in all your wrongdoings.
Primavera
Rookie
Most of this world is really against her, but never because of her skin colour. This very same world used to admire Arthur Ash, love Zina Garisson and Ivonne Goolagong. It's very favourably disposed to Madison Keath and Sloane Stephens. S.Williams is despised for her abominable rudeness, insolence, impudence, arrogance, and entitled attitude.
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PDJ
G.O.A.T.
From the NY Times - interesting re Venus, Shriver's comments and other mothers, Azarenka and Minnella.
"At Wimbledon, Williams was given a seeding of 25th, in the lowest stratus of seeds but far above her ranking of 183 at the time. Her seeding upgrade meant that 32nd-ranked Dominika Cibulkova became unseeded, but there is no such issue at the U.S. Open because of Williams’s relatively minor promotion. The only player meaningfully downgraded was the 24th-ranked Gavrilova, who was dropped to 25th, and would now be slated to face a top-eight seed in the third round.
Had Williams been bumped any higher, it would have affected her sister Venus, who is ranked 16th. If Serena Williams had been placed in the top 16, a domino effect would have knocked Venus Williams out of the top half of the 32 seeds, meaning she would have to face a higher-ranked player in the third round.
“We’ll never know, but I actually think Serena would have been in the top 16 had it not pushed Venus out,” the ESPN analyst Pam Shriver said. “I think it’s quite possible they would have seeded her somewhere in the 12 to 16 range, given the Wimbledon final and how many times she’s won it. But I think it became really difficult to push Venus out of 16.”
“Overall, I think it’s kind of where Serena belongs,” Shriver added.
Despite her ranking, Serena Williams is currently a narrow favorite to win the U.S. Open among most oddsmakers, just ahead of top-ranked Simona Halep and Wimbledon champion Angelique Kerber.
Williams has already arrived in New York and has been practicing with her coach Patrick Mouratoglou, who was absent in San Jose.
Shriver believes Williams has had plenty of time to further improve in the lead-up to her first match in Queens.
“We all know, in 10 days, how much progress she can make with her game,” she said.
The fortunes of other recent mothers have also been mixed heading into the tournament. Victoria Azarenka, a two-time U.S. Open finalist, was given a wild card into the main draw of the tournament, but was not seeded. Mandy Minella missed out on a spot in the main draw by just one spot; she would have entered directly on the strength of her protected ranking had one more player withdrawn before qualifying rounds began.
The men’s seedings were unchanged from the rankings. Two recent U.S. Open winners on the men’s side, the 2012 champion Andy Murray and the 2016 champion Stan Wawrinka, will both be unseeded after having struggled with injuries recently."
"At Wimbledon, Williams was given a seeding of 25th, in the lowest stratus of seeds but far above her ranking of 183 at the time. Her seeding upgrade meant that 32nd-ranked Dominika Cibulkova became unseeded, but there is no such issue at the U.S. Open because of Williams’s relatively minor promotion. The only player meaningfully downgraded was the 24th-ranked Gavrilova, who was dropped to 25th, and would now be slated to face a top-eight seed in the third round.
Had Williams been bumped any higher, it would have affected her sister Venus, who is ranked 16th. If Serena Williams had been placed in the top 16, a domino effect would have knocked Venus Williams out of the top half of the 32 seeds, meaning she would have to face a higher-ranked player in the third round.
“We’ll never know, but I actually think Serena would have been in the top 16 had it not pushed Venus out,” the ESPN analyst Pam Shriver said. “I think it’s quite possible they would have seeded her somewhere in the 12 to 16 range, given the Wimbledon final and how many times she’s won it. But I think it became really difficult to push Venus out of 16.”
“Overall, I think it’s kind of where Serena belongs,” Shriver added.
Despite her ranking, Serena Williams is currently a narrow favorite to win the U.S. Open among most oddsmakers, just ahead of top-ranked Simona Halep and Wimbledon champion Angelique Kerber.
Williams has already arrived in New York and has been practicing with her coach Patrick Mouratoglou, who was absent in San Jose.
Shriver believes Williams has had plenty of time to further improve in the lead-up to her first match in Queens.
“We all know, in 10 days, how much progress she can make with her game,” she said.
The fortunes of other recent mothers have also been mixed heading into the tournament. Victoria Azarenka, a two-time U.S. Open finalist, was given a wild card into the main draw of the tournament, but was not seeded. Mandy Minella missed out on a spot in the main draw by just one spot; she would have entered directly on the strength of her protected ranking had one more player withdrawn before qualifying rounds began.
The men’s seedings were unchanged from the rankings. Two recent U.S. Open winners on the men’s side, the 2012 champion Andy Murray and the 2016 champion Stan Wawrinka, will both be unseeded after having struggled with injuries recently."
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Enceladus
Legend
No matter if she was moved to the 17th or 24th place. It is useless to dissect. What is important is that she has been shifted to a better eight group seeds.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Unless someone drops out above her- moving up to 16th. That's a big difference.
TennisLBC
Professional
You're not a big fan of history, I take it.
Surfer Rosa Rack
New User
curious wording
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
It’s pathetic that this is what you decide to take a stand on and get so outraged about. Serena gets bumped up a seed and it’s suddenly the end of the world. I can think of far worse things that have happened this year by American players. Jared Donaldson abusing an umpire comes to mind. Donald Young v Ryan harrison comes to mind as well. But hey, Serena getting bumped a seed bracket, wahhhhh.
Oh and it’s not changing the rules, slams have the discretion to change the seeds. Just hasn’t now been implemented except at Wimbledon.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
This is you trying to trigger a social argument ONCE again.
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
Every thread lol I'd say most of us "Serena Haters" are mad at the USTA and the USO for making this situation what it is.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
It’s funny that you didn’t bother to respond to me calling out your lie that it’s changing the rules in the middle of the game except that the slams have the discretion to amend seedings as we regularly see at Wimbledon. But hey whatever suits your negative agenda.
But yeah try to make out like I’m not participating and instead trying to make this a social argument. Ignore the actual facts though.
But yeah try to make out like I’m not participating and instead trying to make this a social argument. Ignore the actual facts though.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
My apologies for responding to what you REALLY wanted to talk about since 80% of your post was about social crap. You added a miniscule P.S. at the bottom for cosmetic purposes. LMAO. The draw is out BTW. Let's argue about that instead of pointless issues that you will never back down from no matter what I say anyways.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Drew Carrey apprecaites the mention.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Lmao more like you couldn’t respond to it cause I called out your usual BS about rules being changed for Serena which just isn’t true, nice try ignoring it again.
And yeah the draw is out and she pretty much ended up getting a shocker of a draw anyway so all your whinging and whining was for nothing. Not surprising as all you seem to do is whinge about Serena anytime a thread pops up about her.
I agree that there were multiple bad calls in 2004 USO, but the blame should be on the umpire Alves and those line judges.
But to make it up by placing Serena higher seed while punishing other top seeded players who had nothing to do with the 2004 incident is wrong.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
What would her draw look like if she'd kept her original/actual ranking?lmao that bumping didnt end well
venus in third round and halep in fourth
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Nobody is being "punished," and framing the debate this way is highly dishonest. It's about not unjustly handing seeding spots to someone who's been away from the game for personal reasons.
The reason doesn't matter. They could just be taking a mental and physical break, or volunteering to do charity work in Africa. It doesn't matter. Or at least it shouldn't.
How many current pros had mothers who were active top players anyway? Most pros don't want to encourage their kids to do the same thing because they know how harsh life on tour is
What a truly ignorant post. You think that there aren’t any people out there who don’t like her because she’s black? Have you lived under a rock the last 30 Years? Furthermore, this very same world that used to admire the likes of Arthur Ashe? do you know how much racist crap he had to put up with in the 70s, in America? It wasn’t pleasant. Listen to those who put up with this crap on a daily basis. Revisionism at its finest. And no, I’m not saying everyone who hates Serena is racist, I’m saying some are.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I meant the real draw. You won't see me arguing WTA very often.
cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
So a second round exit is considered “OK”?
SQA333
Hall of Fame
Excellent comprehension skillls. Where in my post did I imply the USTA bumped her up because of her fans?
SQA333
Hall of Fame
Considering who she played, it’s more than ok
cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
Then it wouldn’t matter if she faced a top 8 seed in the third round if she were seeded her ranking, right?
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Konta has a terrible draw!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
It is pathetic to think that a player that already enjoys a lot of privileges shouldn't be treated to even more such (and at the expense of other top players)?
Where did you learn that?
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
It's a double edged sword: Serena Williams thrives on publicity so it can't be a shock when it's negative.
Yes, the USTA are responsible, not Williams, for the seeding debacle, but it's her name/status that generates headlines. Be they good or bad headlines.
And, therefore, people will have views one way or another. I get the impression she likes to keep her name in the media so I doubt she'll mind much.
Yes, the USTA are responsible, not Williams, for the seeding debacle, but it's her name/status that generates headlines. Be they good or bad headlines.
And, therefore, people will have views one way or another. I get the impression she likes to keep her name in the media so I doubt she'll mind much.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
We all thrive on publicity if we can get it. We live in a celebrity culture after all. And all great tennis players are celebrities who thrive on keeping their names in the media.
They even set up tax-friendly Foundations stuffed full of well-paid friends and relatives to demonstrate how much in love with the great unwashed they are and do so to great media acclaim.
They even set up tax-friendly Foundations stuffed full of well-paid friends and relatives to demonstrate how much in love with the great unwashed they are and do so to great media acclaim.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Some 'celebrities' crave publicity more than others.
And some manage it better than others.
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