SERENA WILLIAMS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL SHE AT LEAST EQUALS GRAND SLAM RECORD - PATRICK MOURATOGLOU

[PDJ]

Ibbi puts my thoughts perfectly here. The media and Serena herself built up this record. Nobody talked about 24 slams for Court 10 years ago, Graf was always the GOAT due to slams and then Serena overtook Graf and suddenly Court became relevant when nobody cared about her “record”. For me I don’t think it’s Serena wanting the record. I know this is going to get some laughs considering the Osaka US Open final BUT. Serena wants to win a slam as a mother. It means so much to her as we’ve seen and she wants to show that she can do it. I don’t think it’s Court’s record,

That's interesting. Never thought of it from that perspective.

 

[Nostradamus]

Serena Williams will not stop until she at least equals Grand Slam record - Patrick Mouratoglou - Eurosport

Serena Williams’ coach Patrick Mouratoglou says the American will not stop until she equals Margaret Court’s record of winning 24 Grand Slam singles titles.

www.eurosport.co.uk

Serena is still playing well enough to win another major. Its just that she has to make sure she is playing her best tennis in the final. She's running into very hot young Guns in the finals and if she's on her best tennis, she can beat them but she's been choking by bringing her 80 % game to the finals. I think Patrick is over-rated and not doing his job , that seem to be the reason why serena is sucking in the finals

 

[uscwang]

Maybe Serena could lose some weight?

 

[_GOATbis]

She won’t overcome Margaret until she’ll begin to respect her opponents starting from Osaka.

 

[MeatTornado]

I don't like Serena and always root for her younger opponents, but some of you guys are just pathetic with your statements.

 

[terribleIVAN]

She barely managed to land a shot in the court during the first set vs Osaka.

Also, she cannot get to corner shots anymore. She just lets them fly by her.

Each year is getting harder; each year her tank runs emptier and emptier in the later stages.

Losing weight is weakening her.

AO was really her best shot at a slam this year: Wimbledon will be hard on her knees. And Osaka is waiting at the USO.

Once we get to 2022, she'll be pushing 40 and the joke will start to be really big on her.

 

[Cortana]

I don't know why. Court isn't even in the Top3 GOAT debate? How many slams did she win in the Open Era? Did she account for the fact that back in her days AO wasn't even a real slam? Competition in the AO was close to a WTA250 tournamemt nowadays.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't like Serena and always root for her younger opponents, but some of you guys are just pathetic with your statements.

Meat the thread is actually exceeding my expectations.

 

[Red Rick]

She barely managed to land a shot in the court during the first set vs Osaka.

Also, she cannot get to corner shots anymore. She just lets them fly by her.

Each year is getting harder; each year her tank runs emptier and emptier in the later stages.

Losing weight is weakening her.

AO was really her best shot at a slam this year: Wimbledon will be hard on her knees. And Osaka is waiting at the USO.

Once we get to 2022, she'll be pushing 40 and the joke will start to be really big on her.

For me the realistic question would probably be at which point she'd give up if it doesn't happen.

 

[MeatTornado]

Meat the thread is actually exceeding my expectations.

The night is young

 

[Crazy Finn]

Serena is still playing well enough to win another major. Its just that she has to make sure she is playing her best tennis in the final. She's running into very hot young Guns in the finals and if she's on her best tennis, she can beat them but she's been choking by bringing her 80 % game to the finals. I think Patrick is over-rated and not doing his job , that seem to be the reason why serena is sucking in the finals

Frankly, I think Osaka (and maybe Andreescu, maybe even others) can beat Serena without playing great at this point. I also don’t think that Serena has a + 80% game for more than set and change at this point. That might be enough if Lady Luck smiles very brightly, but that’s probably what it will take.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Maybe Serena could lose some weight?

She is much fitter and faster than she has been in years.
She is 20lbs away from #24. It's there if she really wants it.
When her serve is on, it is the best in the WTA along with Osaka. Hopefully losing 20 lbs will not affect her serve.

 

[toby55555]

She might be playing for a long time then and for no good reason as no one cares about Court's record, different era.

 

[Mr.Lob]

Don't know if I were Serena's coach I'd be telling the press she's going to keep playing until she equals or beats the slam record. Serena has had enough problems dealing with that kind of pressure, all starting with sweet Roberta Vinci destroying Serena's dream of a CYGS. We all know that's what she's about, no need to broadcast it.

In regards to Serena's play, she moved and looked much better in A.O. She's gained most of that lost 1/2 step back. Lost some weight with better conditioning paid off. Better movement, balance and cardio. Probably could lose another 5-10 pounds. So she definitely can win another slam or two. But, instead of being a front runner, she's in the pack with a dozen other players. Osaka now the frontrunner, on hardcourts at least.

 

[Bartelby]

I think that it would be more rational to simply retire if it doesn't happen this year.

 

[Graf1stClass]

I think that it would be more rational to simply retire if it doesn't happen this year.

There are reasons to. But I believe she also fears the ridiculing will grow out of control if she resigns from her quest early. That to her, the attempt and fail may also damage her legacy.

 

[Nadal>>>>>Federer]

I hope she never reaches it. Such a ****

 

[duaneeo]

I don't see it. Serena is approaching 40, she's not "top" fit for her age, and unlike the young male players, the young female players haven't stood back and waited for the older elites to die out.

 

[Ruark]

Needs to shift 30lbs and get back that mental strength.

^^^^^
This.

At her age, if she wants to beat players like Osaka and Bianca, there's only one way to do it: forget EVERYTHING and focus 24/7 on losing 30-40 pounds, working out and getting in absolute, 100% top shape. Run 5 miles before breakfast every morning, the whole nine yards. Otherwise, retire.

 

[zvelf]

At this point she would just need some luck and face a weaker or nervous opponent in the final.

Or she can meet another Roberta Vinci.

 

[Bartelby]

This is simply inane advice that forgets the influence of childbirth on body shape. She was as fit as she could be at the AO so the problem is elsewhere.

At her age, if she wants to beat players like Osaka and Bianca, there's only one way to do it: forget EVERYTHING and focus 24/7 on losing 30-40 pounds, working out and getting in absolute, 100% top shape. Run 5 miles before breakfast every morning, the whole nine yards. Otherwise, retire.

 

[Raul_SJ]

At her age, if she wants to beat players like Osaka and Bianca, there's only one way to do it: forget EVERYTHING and focus 24/7 on losing 30-40 pounds, working out and getting in absolute, 100% top shape. Run 5 miles before breakfast every morning, the whole nine yards. Otherwise, retire.

This is absolutely true. If she really wants it bad enough she needs to shed more weight. She has the best trainers and personal chefs in the world.

Many claim that "40 is the new 30".

She must also ditch her ninnyhammer coach, the shameless sleazy cheater Patrick Mouratglou, and the other "mental" coaches she has hired; they have failed her for years.

She mopes and sulks and slowly drags her feet every time she misses a shot. That is not the way! Must move on to the next point with a bouncy happy feet attitude.

 

[Gary Duane]

There is no reason to stop. And her cheating coach is not credible and cannot speak to her motivations. She could be playing primarily because she loves playing the game. That is the most plausible reason as her chances for the "record" are slim... What else is she gonna do that is as enjoyable as playing?

What is this about? Coaching while she was playing?

 

[Robbymack]

So the coach who’d like to stay employed thinks his star pupil will continue to play chasing a dream and keeping him employed. Ok. Serena probably still has a chance to do it but a lot of things need to go her way. She won’t be the favorite nor will she likely even be the second or third favorite in any GS she plays from now on.

 

[Raul_SJ]

What is this about? Coaching while she was playing?

Absolutely. There is no dispute about this.

She also claimed that she did not see the signals, which is a lie. "Coaching?! I would never cheat. I have a daughter!!". She and the Coach obviously have a system.

Just look at Venus. She knows exactly what is going on.

 

[Gary Duane]

Absolutely. There is no dispute about this. It is all on video. His excuse of "Everybody does it" is not valid.

She also claimed that she did not see the signals, which is a lie. She and the Coach obviously planned this together.

The clincher here is Venus watching it, I guess. I don't follow Serena, and usually not women's tennis, so I've only heard about all this.

 

[santosh747]

shes been dethroned by qween osaka. the sooner she realizes the better. n what with that sluggish footwork i doubt she'll reach 24.

 

[Shaolin]

^^^^^
This.

At her age, if she wants to beat players like Osaka and Bianca, there's only one way to do it: forget EVERYTHING and focus 24/7 on losing 30-40 pounds, working out and getting in absolute, 100% top shape. Run 5 miles before breakfast every morning, the whole nine yards. Otherwise, retire.

Truth here. Even losing 5lbs can make a big difference in how you feel and play. If she went all-out on physical training/conditioning she could still win at least another major.

 

[Raul_SJ]

shes been dethroned by qween osaka. the sooner she realizes the better. n what with that sluggish footwork i doubt she'll reach 24.

She says she should have been up 5-0 against Osaka in SF... If she had won the SF, she likely beats Brady in the Final. She almost did it.

 

[Shaolin]

I don't know why. Court isn't even in the Top3 GOAT debate? How many slams did she win in the Open Era? Did she account for the fact that back in her days AO wasn't even a real slam? Competition in the AO was close to a WTA250 tournamemt nowadays.

She's factoring in that lots of dumbass people only look at majors won and noting else to declare GOAT.
They parrot GOAT=Slam Titles because that's what they heard some ''expert'' say once on TV.

Look at it around here, lots of people calling Nadal better overall than Nole, completely ignoring weeks at #1, double Golden Masters (unbelievable accomplishment) and WTF titles.

 

[Bartelby]

Even Uncle Toni used to cheat, so there is a lot of it going around. Empty stadia are revealing coaches as quite a bit more 'noisy' than previously thought.

Absolutely. There is no dispute about this.

She also claimed that she did not see the signals, which is a lie. "Coaching?! I would never cheat. I have a daughter!!". She and the Coach obviously have a system.

Just look at Venus. She knows exactly what is going on.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Even Uncle Toni used to cheat, so there is a lot of it going around. Empty stadia are revealing coaches as quite a bit more 'noisy' than previously thought.

Leave it to you to rationalize the rule-breaking...

And how about Serena lieing to the Chair Umpire that she was receiving signals -- the video shows there was a system in place. Calling out the Tournament Director and creating a huge scene and making Osaka cry.

How do you justify that behaviour?

 

[Bartelby]

How slim are you, by the way, given that you're intent on calling Serena fat at every opportunity?

Leave it to you to rationalize the rule-breaking...

And how about Serena lieing to the Chair Umpire that she was receiving signals -- the video shows there was a system in place. Calling out the Tournament Director and creating a huge scene and making Osaka cry.

How do you justify that behaviour?

 

[PDJ]

How slim are you, by the way, given that you're intent on calling Serena fat at every opportunity?

But she is fat. Albeit slimmer than previously, but still overweight. And especially for a world class tennis player.

 

[Raul_SJ]

The owner of the Madrid Open tennis tournament, Ion Tiriac, took it upon himself to comment on Serena Williams‘ age and weight in a new interview.

“At this age and the weight she is now, she does not move as easily as she did 15 years ago,” the Romanian former tennis star said. “Serena was a sensational player. If she had a little decency, she would retire. From all points of view.”

 

[canta_Brian]

For me it’s not the weight per se.

she needs a coach who is prepared to work on her weaknesses rather than her strengths. It’s a given her power and hitting ability will deal with a lot of players in most draws. Including Simona Halep in this AO. But she has no plan be for when a player can take her time away any more.

 

[Bartelby]

Tiriac is an unreconstructed sexist pig.

The owner of the Madrid Open tennis tournament, Ion Tiriac, took it upon himself to comment on Serena Williams‘ age and weight in a new interview.

“At this age and the weight she is now, she does not move as easily as she did 15 years ago,” the Romanian former tennis star said. “Serena was a sensational player. If she had a little decency, she would retire. From all points of view.”

 

[Bartelby]

Work on her game is, indeed, the way to go.

For me it’s not the weight per se.

she needs a coach who is prepared to work on her weaknesses rather than her strengths. It’s a given her power and hitting ability will deal with a lot of players in most draws. Including Simona Halep in this AO. But she has no plan be for when a player can take her time away any more.

 

[terribleIVAN]

There's no substitute for youth.

Serena can train as much as she pleases, once she enters the last 4, she's going bust.

Her and Roger are going to learn it the hard way.

 

[Red Rick]

This is absolutely true. If she really wants it bad enough she needs to shed more weight. She has the best trainers and personal chefs in the world.

Many claim that "40 is the new 30".

She must also ditch her ninnyhammer coach, the shameless sleazy cheater Patrick Mouratglou, and the other "mental" coaches she has hired; they have failed her for years.

She mopes and sulks and slowly drags her feet every time she misses a shot. That is not the way! Must move on to the next point with a bouncy happy feet attitude.

Mouratoglou is basically more influencer than tennis coach

 

[Raul_SJ]

Mouratoglou is basically more influencer than tennis coach

A very bad influence as he got romantically involved with his client.
Extremely unethical by any professional standard.

 

[PDJ]

Mouratoglou is basically more influencer than tennis coach

He's a good fit for Williams- both are ego driven.

 

[Bartelby]

This is probably very accurate. They are both not at that highest of levels anymore.

There's no substitute for youth.

Serena can train as much as she pleases, once she enters the last 4, she's going bust.

Her and Roger are going to learn it the hard way.

 

[Red Rick]

He's a good fit for Williams- both are ego driven.

Betting he won't tell her to get fitter cause he might get fired from gravy train

 

[Crazy Finn]

There's no substitute for youth.

Serena can train as much as she pleases, once she enters the last 4, she's going bust.

Her and Roger are going to learn it the hard way.

I still think that it's possible that Wimbledon will be good for them as the younger players - especially on the ATP - have been mostly (or almost entirely) mediocre on grass. I'm not saying that they'll win, but it's a better situation for them there than on hard courts or clay.

Getting to the QF is probably fairly doable for them both. Who knows after that....

Also, Roger at 40 probably moves better than Serena, both in absolute terms and also in comparison to others on their tour. At least, that was the case when they both played in 2019.

 

[zvelf]

She says she should have been up 5-0 against Osaka in SF... If she had won the SF, she likely beats Brady in the Final. She almost did it.

Not really. The Osaka match scoreline was not indicative of how much Osaka dominated Serena. Even had Serena taken the first set, she was not going to take the third. As soon as Osaka turned it on against both Muguruza and Serena, they lost almost every point to Osaka and she ended those matches.

 

[Graf1stClass]

Not really. The Osaka match scoreline was not indicative of how much Osaka dominated Serena. Even had Serena taken the first set, she was not going to take the third. As soon as Osaka turned it on against both Muguruza and Serena, they lost almost every point to Osaka and she ended those matches.

I had a flashback to 1999 as I saw that match, and I'm sure she did too. A terrible feeling for sure, to know you're outclassed and past your best days. She's still a legend, but I hate to see a legend try their best and have no chance due to age.

 

[boredone3456]

I think Serena wants the record, no doubt. But she's clearly past her best. Past her best is still pretty good, shes going deep in tournaments, but shes only won what....1 title since coming back to the tour as a mother? Her body is really catching up to her now and the rest of the tour is also clearly not as afraid of her as they once were (she had a dominant mystique about her for a long time, intimidation as a champion is half the battle and Serena had that in spades much like players like Graf, Federer, Evert etc etc). She probably sees it as the thing she wants most she can still get. I suspect maybe she wants to play in another Olympics maybe as well, but she has her gold medal so maybe thats not as much of a priority anymore.

 

[zvelf]

I had a flashback to 1999 as I saw that match, and I'm sure she did too. A terrible feeling for sure, to know you're outclassed and past your best days. She's still a legend, but I hate to see a legend try their best and have no chance due to age.

I do think Serena has maybe a 5% chance to win another major but it will require a lot of luck - her draw opening up with lots of upsets and/or injuries and her playing her current best in the semis and finals while her opponents are not playing their best there.

 

[Sport]

Then she will stop once she is dead, cause she is never gonna equal Court's Slam record.