Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by NadalAgassi, Nov 29, 2012.
To be honest, it would be a bigger controversy if anyone else got that award.
Wimbledon, the US Open, the WTA Championships, a gold medal, 6-7 titles (not sure how many total), absolutely destroying the field, especially the so called top 2 ranked WTA players in Azarenka and Sharapova (remember the 2012 Olympics when Serena led Sharapova 6-0 3-0 in the final? Just brutal), less than 5 losses in a year.
I think this is the first time when a player who ended the year ranked outside the top 2 (or simply - not first) was fully expected to win the WTA player of the year award.
At least it shouldn't take long for Serena to get back to no 1 as she's defending as much as nothing in the first 4-5 months of the year.
Music to my ears. No doubt, she is the rightful winner. Serena for the calendar grand slam next year.
She doesn't have the mental strength to pull off such a thing even with her serve advantage.
In many ways she's a GOAT that's entirely reflective of the poor generation she plays in.
Remember when Justine Henin was on top of things for a bit? Dominating everyone with her beautiful all-court, variegated, one-handed backhand game at the HEIGHT OF 5 ft 5!?!
That's what I watch tennis for. That's inspiring stuff, not some chick exposing the serving deficiencies of the rest of her field. zzzzzzzz
Serena deserves it for all her winnings this year.
Serena is the most dominant player in the ATP and WTA combined.
For this year alone I agree. However some Nole fan like 555 will disagree, that's for sure.
In the past 10 years(2003-2012), it's Federer who's the most dominant, 2nd behind him is either Nadal or Serena. 4th is Henin and 5th is Nole.
Serena has Olympics singles gold which Fed does not have. Sorry.
Yeah because winning a tournament which happens once every 4 years is dominance...
Nobody cares whether it's singles, doubles or freaking curling. A gold medal is a gold medal.
Plus Serena does not have a significant losing H2H against her rivals.
She is definitely the most dominant tennis player of the era, male or female.
"I've always said if I'm playing well and doing everything right, it's really difficult to beat me."
It's difficult to disagree with her. Watching her destroy every single opponent at the Olympics with some ridiculously one-sided scores convinced me, if I didn't already know it, that she 's just way ahead of any other player in the WTA for sheer strength, fitness and power. The outcome of her matches really are on her racquet.
Serena >>>>>>>>>>>> rest of WTA!
Federer leads Nadal on non-clay surfaces. Serena leads Henin on non-clay surfaces.
Nadal leads Federer on clay 12-2. Henin leads Serena on clay 4-1.
Sure, but would you say the same about a Slam title, that it doesn't matter whether it's in singles or doubles? :wink:
Well yes if you have a big serve and everyone else has no serve than the match is in your hands, goes without saying really.
Only because she retired most of her competition.
It's a completely different format, the Summer Olympics is closer to DC than to any tour level title. Is Phelphs's 4×100 m medley relay gold medal worth less than his 100 m butterfly olympic win? I don't recal individual sportsmen getting paid more than in team effort, you get cash for a gold medal whether it's freaking curling, ski jumping or anything else.
Of course Wimbly won in singles is worth more than a title in doubles cause both are "tour" titles, whereas the Olympics or DC are not.
Especialy when you also have the best groundstrokes best movement, best volleys, best return of serve, and strongest mentality in the womens game like Serena. The only things anyone can beat her in is fitness and consistency. Serena is really on her way to cementing herself the undisputed female GOAT. If she reaches 20 slams nobody other than a desperate hater would even question it.
along with her other accomplishments it is......serena has no rivals.....fed loses to his.
serena leads the overall record against henin, care to put fed's overall record against rafa.
and that is the truest sign of greatness....she has beaten 3 generations of players...
Good one LOL
thanks....and i'm a fed fan but this guy is trolling hard.
Federer has an abysmal 2-8 record vs Nadal in slams, and even a losing 2-3 record in slams outside of clay, and he was 27 or younger at the time of all but 1 of those. Federer trails Nadal on outdoor hard courts, the venue of 2 of the remaining 3 slam surfaces, while Serena has lost only once ever to Henin on outdoor hard courts, completely dominating her. Anyway Federer has nothing to do with this thread. Henin, Venus, Hingis, and even the biggest overperformer vs Serena in tennis history Capraiti can be commended though for even having respectable records vs the female tennis GOAT Serena. All losing of course, but anyone else would love to even be as close in the H2H as they are. Having a winning or even tied record vs Serena playing her more than 3 times is simply not possible.
The Queen had an amazing year can't wait to see what she can do next year, id like to see her win the French.
The Grand Slam
I am a Serena fan. I've even had to change to hit with Serena when she was about 6 years old. She is one of the all time greats, no question.
But Serena does not face the same level of competition as the men face on the ATP Tour...not even close. A motivated Serena could run the table in 2013. If this trend continues on the men's side, there could be another year where there are 4 different slam winners.
Serena's good, but lets not compare apples to oranges.
Well atleast a bunch of different women have won slams the last 5 years. Unlike the mens when there are only 4 guys capable of winning a slam. So I would say Serena dominates a deeper field. The mens field is about 4 guys, the rest are meaningless. The womens field is about 12 or 15.
Not to be rude, but that's not exactly true. If it were, Fed would have a Career Golden Slam.
your point is true but serena was also in this position when the shoe was on the other foot. in 2002 she dominated a strong women's field when the men were relatively weak. point is anytime anywhere serena can dominate.
Wow this is a true travesty, the WTA player of the year should go to Azarenka(won AO,world #1), Serena fluked her USO win,Azarenka deserved it. Unfortunate crowning.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
Their is no real quality or depth in the women's field, which is why so many different people won slams. And that's why someone who's actually quality like Serena can dominate. Don't be an idiot.
Serena was 5-0 v Vika in 2012, 11-1 overall. She gets the 2nd place crown, http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2678/4353924366_766414bf76_z.jpg
Hingis came really close. 7-6 to Serena.
Also I don't think Serena is the female GOAT - but she definitely deserved to win this award. In fact the WTA rankings are really screwed up that she is not no 1, having won more titles than anyone else, including two slams, the YEC and the Olympics.
Lol is that a joke? Two slams, two olympic gold, YEC, and Serena didn't even lose to Vika, Sharapova, or Radwanska all year. Vika lost fair and square, Serena was the superior player, as usual.
How "flukes" two Slams? Come on!
Yes Serena won 4 of the 6 biggest tournaments by fluke, just as she fluked her way to 15 career slams, and fluked her way to a 10-1 record vs Azarenka. It is good to see monfed's complete lack of knowledge on tennis isnt just limited to the mens side.
No it should not. If the player who won 2 slams,an OG and the WTA championships should not be player of the year, then something is wrong.
No, you are incorrect about that. NA is actually making a valid point. On the men's side only the top four(really only Federer, Nadal and Djokovic) have dominated the slams for years, how does that make the rest of the field competitive? At least with the women you have five or six women in the top ten capable of winning a slam, not so on the men's side.
Her Vika destruction this year was insane.
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