How does Serena's behavior during USO Final compare to McEnroe during 1990 AO?

  • Serena's behavior was worse

    Votes: 88 58.3%
  • McEnroe's behavior was worse

    Votes: 38 25.2%
  • Both behaved about the same

    Votes: 25 16.6%

  • Total voters
    151
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Carlos was attempting to coach Serena, probably deserved a warning. Carlos was wrong.

Serena over-reacted and breaking her racket was beneath her as was her temper tantrum after she received the penalty. Serena was wrong.

The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.

Serena calling this sexism, is harmful to women. It minimizes what "sexism" actually is. There were two women on that court and for Serena to claim "sexism" is illogical and stupid. Serena was wrong.

The US Open fans that booed Osaka are idiots. Osaka played a brilliant game, she is a big part of the future of Women's tennis and she deserved cheers and a standing ovation. US Open fans were wrong.
it matter who is wrong initially. if Russia and USA get into nuclear war and destroy the world,, who is wrong ? everybody ?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.
It was more than that, believe me.
 

icazares

Rookie
Serena: "I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff. For me to say 'thief' and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. He's never taken a game from a man because they said 'thief'."

Ugh just be quiet Serena
Agreed. First, the whole idea that she represents the moms of the world is delusional. Does she really think that all moms get the support that she got, both at home and in their professional life, which enabled her to play the circuit 3 months after giving birth? There was some sexism in today's umpire decisions, but at the same time, the umpire didn't steal anything (per the code) and "thief" is definitively an abusive word. The final ended up being what it was because of Serena's actions. Only hers.
 

jukka1970

Professional
I think for me I am in the middle on this one. I mean the first call was kind of questionable. I mean I personally don't think she uses it, with that said, the umpire saw the give a hand signal. So he was right to give a warning. Then Serena broke her racquet, clearly she caused that, and almost every chair calls that. So she clearly caused the point penalty. I mean she had to know this. My issue comes on the third . I really have a tough time on her being given this. She kept telling him you owe me an apology, used the word liar and thief. I'm sorry, I just don't feel it warranted it. She didn't aware, she didn't threaten him. Its unfortunate the match went this way.

Clearly Osaka was out playing her, and yes I think Serena should have kept it together. You're a pro tennis player who is suppose to be a role model. And a role model needs to act accordingly.

The issue for me is that I think the third call was unfair to both players and did affect the match
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
The US Open final shows that she completely lost contact with reality and is detrimental to this sport and to her peers.
Her bullish and manipulative behaviour was a total disgrace.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"...

PS: Much respect to Osaka for her crystal clear game and behaviour
What about when she threatened the line judge that Serena said. " I will kill you" and then later she denied it. After that controversy , serena continue to play great and won many more majors.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Asking the umpire to announce that Serena did not receive coaching was the first offense

Who does she think she is ??

Which umpire will announce like that and which umpire will say sorry for giving point penalty
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
whether that coaching violation was legitimate or not, i think the way serena reacted to it was not excusable. a classier player would just let it slide and move on. she obviously couldn't handle the fact she was getting beaten down.

the 3rd violation she got when she called him a thief is tricky. i have a hunch that if she wasn't harassing the umpire up until then with her "u need to apologize!!" stuff, he wouldn't have given her that 3rd one. the thief remark was the straw that broke the camels back.
 

icazares

Rookie
Whatever you think of Serena and Naomi (and I adore Naomi), there is no doubt in my mind that the chair acted improperly.

I think there was gender bias at work.
I can see what you mean. Would have happened to a man, or to any player not called Serena Williams? I don't know. But Serena acted improperly. And that's what this whole thing is about.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Nope. Umpire never said she was cheating. He agreed with her. Warning was because of coaching. She could have let it go at that. I loved it in the press conference when she started describing the situation and said that she and the MPower we’re on the same page. Then she just stop talking. I wanted to say go ahead Serena, tell us the rest. You could not let it go. You be ready at him for calling you a cheater and he never did that. Three code violations for the same thing done. Rules are rules. She was getting beat and having a temper tantrum. Seen it before.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I also think that some of the parading the empire was taking was not shown. I’ll sell some of it later. When she whined about me and getting by with worse she was absolutely wrong. Me and cuss and do all kinds of things but not after a point has been taken. If they do after a point has been taken they get a game taken as well. Poor ESPN commentators are so in the house for Serena that they can’t bear to actually say it. They hit edit thankfully, but they just can’t say it. She should have shut her mouth
 
Agreed. First, the whole idea that she represents the moms of the world is delusional. Does she really think that all moms get the support that she got, both at home and in their professional life, which enabled her to play the circuit 3 months after giving birth? There was some sexism in today's umpire decisions, but at the same time, the umpire didn't steal anything (per the code) and "thief" is definitively an abusive word. The final ended up being what it was because of Serena's actions. Only hers.
Yes. I am not a practicing psychologist but i did take three semesters of psych. And i stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

Narcissism. Borderline personality disorder. Me against the woild syndrome. Made her a champion. But also an entitled diva slash goddess. Hashtag nexlevel beyoncé on a tennis court.
Yaas queen!
 
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insideguy

Legend
Carlos was attempting to coach Serena, probably deserved a warning. Carlos was wrong.

Serena over-reacted and breaking her racket was beneath her as was her temper tantrum after she received the penalty. Serena was wrong.

The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.

Serena calling this sexism, is harmful to women. It minimizes what "sexism" actually is. There were two women on that court and for Serena to claim "sexism" is illogical and stupid. Serena was wrong.

The US Open fans that booed Osaka are idiots. Osaka played a brilliant game, she is a big part of the future of Women's tennis and she deserved cheers and a standing ovation. US Open fans were wrong.
Not everyone was wrong. Osaka was not wrong. She did everything right. But yea it was kind of a mess on everybody elses part.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
He was a sexist remark. Men have enough sense to cuss at the umpire before they reach their third violation. I would love to say I was surprised about today’s events, but after watching her her entire career par for the course. The saddest thing is that the empire was absolutely not calling her a cheater. He acknowledged that but it wasn’t good enough for her. She got her ass beat. Sitdown
 
In what way was Osaka wrong? And if she was wrong in no way, then why is the person about whom all the stories should be somehow a nobody today?

Patrick was attempting to coach Serena, probably deserved a warning. Patrick was wrong.

Serena over-reacted and breaking her racket was beneath her as was her temper tantrum after she received the penalty. Serena was wrong.

The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.

Serena calling this sexism, is harmful to women. It minimizes what "sexism" actually is. There were two women on that court and for Serena to claim "sexism" is illogical and stupid. Serena was wrong.

The US Open fans that booed Osaka are idiots. Osaka played a brilliant game, she is a big part of the future of Women's tennis and she deserved cheers and a standing ovation. US Open fans were wrong.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
On the other hand, it would have been best if the umpire had used a little discretion and not issued a game penalty. Thief is not such a vulgar term that he couldn't have chosen to withhold the penalty.

Serena was not blameless or heroic for yelling at the umpire, but that doesn't mean he made the best possible decision, either.
I'm begining to think Serena using the word "thief" is unfortunate, because it takes away how abusing her entire tirade against Ramos truly was:


"You will never ever be on another court of mine as long as you live. You are the liar."

And this is not the full extent of it if I remember correctly, it started before the changeover. It's not like Serena merely said "thief" to Ramos and he issued the warning there and then.
 

Clara

New User
Nope. Umpire never said she was cheating. He agreed with her. Warning was because of coaching. She could have let it go at that. I loved it in the press conference when she started describing the situation and said that she and the MPower we’re on the same page. Then she just stop talking. I wanted to say go ahead Serena, tell us the rest. You could not let it go. You be ready at him for calling you a cheater and he never did that. Three code violations for the same thing done. Rules are rules. She was getting beat and having a temper tantrum. Seen it before.
For example the match against clijster and threatening the line woman who called a foot fault. Same tantrum and acting like diva


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big ted

Hall of Fame
I think she really is insane, esp when she got the first violation and said she would never cheat becuz she has a daughter.?.?.. why even bring that up... then at the end she said they're targeting her becuz she's a woman..?.. wasn't there a woman in the other side of the court too ??? !?
 

bigjimbofan

Rookie
First set she got her arse kicked. Second set was tight until the controversy kicked off.
Maybe you weren't paying attention to the ebb and flow of the match.
Without the incidents it was 3-4. With Osaka to serve. Who's to say Serena couldn't have broken back.
Possibly but I'm not buying it. Serena's actions are proof of a desperate and beaten person. Anyone with class would have risen above the perceived injustice. Just imagine what poor Osaka and her family had to endure from the ugly crowd. Serena is a bully and will stoop to any level to win. I can see she got the class genes from her father. The mother and Venus are OK in my book.
 
Patrick was attempting to coach Serena, probably deserved a warning. Patrick was wrong.

Serena over-reacted and breaking her racket was beneath her as was her temper tantrum after she received the penalty. Serena was wrong.

The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.

Serena calling this sexism, is harmful to women. It minimizes what "sexism" actually is. There were two women on that court and for Serena to claim "sexism" is illogical and stupid. Serena was wrong.

The US Open fans that booed Osaka are idiots. Osaka played a brilliant game, she is a big part of the future of Women's tennis and she deserved cheers and a standing ovation. US Open fans were wrong.
Excellent poast.
 

Clara

New User
Did you read the post. I never said Osaka was wrong.
I think he is just being sarcastic and trying to show that the great player is being overshadowed by Serena’s selfishness.


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