So I guess it's okay for the umpire to be called a thief and a liar for doing his job right, just because it's not "a traditional workplace". Thank you for letting me know that a Tennis umpire signs off his right to basic workplace dignity when he agrees to officiate a Tennis match. I am, however, glad that the rules don't comply with your standards and expectations and Serena Williams was penalized for her extremely unprofessional behavior.I would say that is a false analogy. Professional sports is not, in any sense, a traditional workplace. Every professional sport deals with disagreements with officials that are often heated. There's no expectation that everyone will behave as if they're in an office job.
Steffi Graf is the female GOAT, but the mainstream culture will never recognise that because it’s obsessed with race instead of merit.I repeat. What a total psychopath and narcissist.
Totally ruined Osaka's moment when she was being clearly outplayed.
Now that she ruined the match and the trophy ceremony she's trying to calm things down.
She may go down as the female GOAT but she'll never get my respect as a person.
If they came to NYC thinking it's real America, good luck to them. It shows lack of awareness and wisdom.Maybe you are saying that naturalized citizens are not real Americans?
You understand that the foreign born NYers are American, right? Not the undocumented ones. But the ones who deserve to be here....are here....and they live here, work here, and they have a green card, or citizenship papers, and they are Americans.
Cannot be president. But they are Americans.
They likely came here because it is America. An urban, progressive part of America, but, America nonetheless.
I'm not telling you, that you have no idea what you're talking about. We have two different views on what qualifies as something serious enough to be verbal abuse. And I was very professional in how I said it. I mean maybe you had heard a threat or swear that I hadn't, in which case I would have agreed with everyone.Well, maybe you missed the part where Serena told him he wont be ever in another match of her. I dont know what you qualify as verbal abuse, but for starters, yelling is a verbal abuse basically in any civilzed society. So your defense is poorer than Karlovic's one
The point is it's his job to handle the situation and, as I said, IMO he didn't. At no point did he try to calm her down or tell her he wasn't calling her for coaching but her coach. At no point did I hear him say that she needed to calm down or she was just moments away from a game penalty.Game penalty is not his call. It's what is earned after the third code violation.
She had been berating him off screen for a few minutes, calling him a liar and making threats that he would never referee another one of her matches, and then she personally attacks him. That's not okay. A verbal abuse call is warranted.
It just happened to be the third violation. I wouldn't say a racquet smash warrants a game penalty in and of itself either, but if it's the third one, you're out of luck
Sorry. I think you might have moved some goalposts.If they came to NYC thinking it's real America, good luck to them. It shows lack of awareness and wisdom.
Are Citizenship papers real? I know printing has advanced in many parts of the world. The printing shops have good business creating fake but real looking documents.
Otherwise there is no way millions would be pouring into already overcrowded cities such as NYC with severe shortage of affordable housing for hard working native born Americans.
Dems love it because it means more power to them via tribal voting habits.
Yep real similar she was getting beat and she couldn’t take the loss so she threatens the lines woman. Same deal here she is a disgusting poor loser and a disgrace to the game.This is the second time Williams has faced severe consequences in the US OPEN WOMEN'S SINGLES FINAL. In 2009 she was defaulted, although it was near the end, for threatening a lineswoman. Again, she denied it. She was shameful. https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-s...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow
It's really too bad that someone with as much talent as Serena is so lacking in class.
I miss Venus. How come all the class in the family is hers?
Me neither. Jack Sock asks the umpire in front of everyone “can I get another umpire?” And she asks “why?” And he says “because you’re atrocious.” That is demeaning and abusive. But she did the right thing and let him lose in his own.And that for me is where the real issue lies is in the third call. I think that the referee and supervisor review everything and decide if this was clearly verbal abuse, which I honestly feel it was not
She was not going to listen to anything he said, regardless of how he handled it. She has a track record of doing just that.It's not my job.
Have you ever watched sports? This is what referees and umpires do all the bloody time. They manage situations just like this. It's part of their job.
I'm not sure I can agree with you. Serena doesn't 'deserve' special treatment. She antagonized the ump.Whatever you think of Serena and Naomi (and I adore Naomi), there is no doubt in my mind that the chair acted improperly.
I think there was gender bias at work. The first coaching violation? Deserved. The second violation? Deserved.
But I cannot begin to count the number of times men have sat in their chairs on changeovers and had heated discussions with umpires, and nothing whatever happens. But when it is Serena, it is a game penalty in the final. Insane. Her words were actually civil -- saying she deserved an apology, no profanity, no threats.
Need more proof?
In this same tournament, we had a chair umpire come out of his chair to basically coach Kirios in front of God and everyone. The proper response would have been to enforce the code of conduct, but no. Ump goes easy on the man, and USTA backs up the umpire.
By that standard, Ramos should have come out of his chair and talked to Serena, calm her nerves, tell her he wants to help her. Nope -- game penalty (when the tirade was over and he could have let it go) to put Serena's opponent a game away from the championship.
Congratulations to Naomi, but what happened today was rooted in disparate treatment and sexism.
So let me get this straight. The umpire didn't do his job properly by enforcing a rule because other umpires aren't doing their jobs properly by not enforcing a rule? Did I get that right?No the umpire did not do his job properly! Coaching has been going on all tournament long and not once has it been called but it got called against Serena. You really think he would have done the same if it would have been Fed, Nadal or Murray?
Mate stop saying "we" as if you had anything to do with it. You can't get your fat ass off the couch, let alone protect someone during a war. Also, what I said had absolutely nothing to do with the military. No idea why you had to bring that up. If you don't realise things are messed up right now, I don't even know what to say anymore.Hilarious, you never been to a soccer game in europe? Next time Hitler invades Europe, us ignorant Americans will stay home and let you high cultured euros nuance the situation between yourselves with your high standard of living allowed for because you don't need to pay for a military because AMERICAN lives have been protecting you--not anymore.
Serena is a spoiled Bullie...... PeriodSerena has an attitude problem and she doesn't want to face it. She won't because she thinks she's a rock star, a diva, so rich and so famous that she can say, wear, do anything she pleases whenever and however she pleases. She justifies the escalation of her drama queen antics by playing the racism card (thankfully Osaka is non-white), the sexism card, the persecution card, the "I didn't know" card (really? After decades in the business??), anything rather than take personal responsibility for the way she behaves, the way she pushes the envelope, for acting entitled, using various intimidation techniques and expecting to get away with them.
Somebody has to put her back in her place for the good of the sport in general and set firm limits. Somebody has to let her know that she may be a billionaire and a superstar but in the context of tennis, she is just an athlete, a competing athlete that needs to obey rules, follow the guidelines and treat umps, linespeople, with a modicum of respect, leave the superhero ego in the locker room because this is not what the sport of tennis is about. The ump stood his ground and that's what Serena needs because her hubris is so oversized at this point. It's: me, me, me me and no the ump is not the boss, I am. Well , Serena, sometimes tough love is the best thing there is so, no, you are not the boss and you did get coached and you knew the rule about racquet abuse and after 2 code violations, you knew the 3rd one was game penalty. So when you started bullying the ump verbally and physically (finger wagging and other shenanigans vaguely reminiscent of the Clijsters line judge incident), you knew what was coming next.
And I know I should not mix politics into all this but at a time in the history of the US where the sitting president embodies the legitimization of bullying and intimidation over common sense, we need American athletes to reflect different values, even opposite values, more than ever before.
I almost forgot: Osaka played the perfect match. She didn't even lose focus after the long interruption and all the drama and that's the only thing we should be talking about tonight of course.