HunterST
Hall of Fame
This type of disproportionate anger and hatred for Serena is disturbingly common. I'm not really a fan of hers, but it's kind of odd that some people hate her so much.
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Bartelby
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imonfire
Rookie
Kicking a coach out in soccer has a clear negative impact for the whole team, for at least 2 matches.
If you just kick the tennis coach out of the court, the player can still benefit from the received coaching. Other than that, a single or double warning in general has little to no impact on the outcome of a tennis match, for sure the impact is smaller than a single yellow card in a soccer match, so from a logical perspective imo the player warning is fine.
sportmac
Hall of Fame
What I said was they manage situations like this all the time. It's right there in black and white.
I certainly never said ref's don't "dole out punishment" or anything like it yet for some reason you seem to think I should prove that.
It wasn't suppose to be an argument, it was suppose to be if you can show me where she threatened him or swore at him, then I'm with you 100%. And that's all it meant
she just need to have more babies (daughters) for the next ten yrs - that way, no one will NEVER ever call her a cheater
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Uh no, sometimes a spade is a spade. Serena is a thug and everyone saw that today. US Open crowd disgusting thug worshipers as usual.
The players has nothing to do with the coach. In baseball the coach gets kicked out. They don't put two strikes on a player cause the coach acts like an idiot. They kick the coach out period.
Ginger ninja
Semi-Pro
I am sorry to say that Serena is clearly not mentally well. Some of the stuff out of her mouth was plain odd. I feel bad for her, but she needs to see someone.
Ann
Hall of Fame
However she meant the sexism comment it wasn't helpful.
In regards to including all other umps, they had nothing to do with the match. It would have been a mighty opening post and herculean effort to have included everything that was wrong with tonight's match had I extended the comment peripherally.
AnOctorokForDinner
G.O.A.T.
An insult would be using a derogatory word, which this isn't. I guess you're at liberty to define 'insult' however you wish, though, are you not?
That person's posting history easily demonstrates they have no tolerance for opposing viewpoints, which is a strong indicator of terrible people.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's indeed a bit hard for the player to manage a coach on the spot if he does something wrong.
Elektra
Professional
Anybody who worships any celeb or athlete to be social justice warriors is dumb and sheep to the establishment who manipulates them.
Mr.Lob
Legend
Serena hinted she may not return to the U.S Open.
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
and bring your newborn into it. fight for her because injustice is so blind. doesn't it see that she is a proud mom?
mama said knock you out? greatest athlete of all time? who the f*k came up with that garbage?
so many questions unanswered here. WTF
FatFedererFanTurnsSlim
Semi-Pro
Wander
Hall of Fame
Perhaps, but perhaps someone else was too thin-skinned given the situation too.
Yup he or she has no control over the coach at all. I mean he could keep doing it and literally get he or she defaulted.
VaporDude95
Banned
How does commenting on the mainstream obsession with race mean that I claim that obsession as my own?
Do explain
FD3S
Hall of Fame
Finally watched the presser and can't believe she's so sure that if it was a man in that situation it wouldn't have been called. For one thing, no man has been in a situation like that since - surprise surprise - John McEnroe, and he was served his comeuppance right away because he was straight up defaulted. Second, any player in that situation toeing the line and mouthing off constantly with two violations in the books and a game penalty coming is playing with fire, no ifs ands or buts about it.
NuBas
Legend
This is precisely what she intended to do, draw more attention to herself and take away NO's precious day.
Now its up to us real fans to speak of Naomi's achievement and not dwell on this nonsense. It was a display of utmost disgrace in every way from broadcasters, to audience, to trophy presenters.
We need to generate positive things towards Naomi.
imonfire
Rookie
So kicking a baseball coach out has no impact on the rest of the team or the match? Why is the coach even there in the first place anyway? If a player or coach in a team sports get punished, that also affects the whole team. It should be similar in tennis.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Which is worse,telling the tournament referee to go f--- his mother(which is what Mac did, I followed tennis in 1990) or what Serena did?
Ken Farrar, the referee, said he would have automatically defaulted Mac even if he had no code violations at that point so egregious was what Mac said. He said no player had ever spoke to me that way(and he had dealt with Mac for many years at that point)
Ken Farrar, the referee, said he would have automatically defaulted Mac even if he had no code violations at that point so egregious was what Mac said. He said no player had ever spoke to me that way(and he had dealt with Mac for many years at that point)
FD3S
Hall of Fame
Feinstein said as much in Hard Courts. Not Mac's finest moment.
Ann
Hall of Fame
Serena's behavior was atrocious but I still think the umpire continually exacerbated the situation.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Have you read John Feinstein's discussion of it in Hard Courts?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't describe the mainstream as obsessed with race, but it's a very familiar right-wing populist argument that it is.
How does commenting on the mainstream obsession with race mean that I claim that obsession as my own?
Do explain
In baseball and heck in most pro team sports, heck even in lets say golf. A player breaks a bat nothing happens he breaks a freaking bat. Nothing happens to tiger woods when he smashes his four iron over his knee. Tennis needs to get out of the gilded age. This stuff is silly. Regardless of players knowing the rules. No hockey player gets a penalty for breaking his stick apart. This is all stupid. You don't give a warning to a player cause the coach is off his rocker. She or he can't control them. They are playing a game. It leads to dumb crap like this.
Cindysphinx
G.O.A.T.
You don’t understand gender bias at all.
I am not talking about misogyny, that is hatred of women.
I am talking about disparate treatment, a double standard, in that a tirade of a woman is punished in a situation where a Man in the same situation would not have been punished.
The disparity is so disgusting and obvious. Man goes on tirade on changeover and yells at ump, and commentators say he is “passionate” and he is “fired up” and he is “barking” and the match is “important to him.” Woman goes on tirade in the final of a major and she gets no warning, and ump makes ludicrous decision to code her. She wasn’t refusing to play. She was literally on her way back out to the court and he hit her with the third code. Terrible use of discretion.
And I cannot think of a match where Serena ever gets away with anything. Can you refresh my memory? I even recall her getting a hindrance call for yelling after she hit her shot against Stosur — can anyone recall that ever being called on someone else?
I’ll bet if you asked Ramos if he would handle things differently with hindsight, he would say yes.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Never ever question the skin of serena, you racist misogynist. Lidrelly hitler.
pastashop42
Rookie
Serena Williams in a 2016 interview: “I know what it takes to win these tournaments. It’s just about now just doing it.”
‘nuf said, eh?
‘nuf said, eh?
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
One mistake and one odd claim in that Tennis Australia video:
1. McEnroe had won seven, not six, Slams.
2. Pernfors was runner-up at Roland Garros in 1986, so I wouldn't call him an unknown. And he had famously lost to Connors in round 4 of Wimbledon 1987 having led 6-1 6-1 4-1 and then 6-1 6-1 5-7 3-0.
1. McEnroe had won seven, not six, Slams.
2. Pernfors was runner-up at Roland Garros in 1986, so I wouldn't call him an unknown. And he had famously lost to Connors in round 4 of Wimbledon 1987 having led 6-1 6-1 4-1 and then 6-1 6-1 5-7 3-0.
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
Being dad is nothing comparable to being a non-cheating mom. You should be embarrassed of yourself.
FD3S
Hall of Fame
What was it like hearing about that when it first broke? Man, I can only imagine; apparently McEnroe was playing some very good tennis up until Pernfors.
Bud
Bionic Poster
VaporDude95
Banned
Oh here we go.
The only people I see that are obsessed with race are people within the modern left:
- “White privilege”
- “White MALE” (reeeeee)
- “Cultural appropriation”
- “Black Lives Matter” (lol)
- “Oppression”
- “Diversity”
- “Diversity quotas” (where people get hired based on race instead of merit)
I could go on and on. The modern left even goes so far as to equate religion with race (e.g. “Stop saying Islam is cancer. That’s rAciST!”)
So please, don’t try and twist this into a “right wing” thing, because it clearly isn’t.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Look man.
Don't call it a comeback
She's been here for years
rocking her peers
Puttin' suckers in fear
Makin' titles rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the hindrance go boom
Code violations, overpowerin'
Over the competition She's towerin'
Wrecking shop when She makes the shots
footfaults That'll make you call the cops
Don't you dare stare, you better move
Don't ever compare
Me to the rest that'll all get sliced and diced
Officialdom's payin' the price
AllDownTheLine
Rookie
Does over-generalisation remind you of certain English lessions?
Steady Eddy
Legend
Maybe. But I also remember being told that America was a "melting pot". Meaning that wherever you came from you adopted American ways. Multicultural? Somewhat, but in the 1920s there were quotas over how many people could be accepted from different nations.
Maybe that was wrong and how it is now is better, but historically, these things have not been Americas "ideals and values".
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
He was right tho
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
No umpire will ever give any of the Big 3 a game violation. Won't happen.
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Let's just be kind to one another, ok?
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