How does Serena's behavior during USO Final compare to McEnroe during 1990 AO?

  • Serena's behavior was worse

    Votes: 88 58.3%
  • McEnroe's behavior was worse

    Votes: 38 25.2%
  • Both behaved about the same

    Votes: 25 16.6%

  • Total voters
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Uh no, sometimes a spade is a spade. Serena is a thug and everyone saw that today. US Open crowd disgusting thug worshipers as usual.
Just FYI, “spade” is an old time racial slur when used in reference to a black person. Some younger people don’t know that, so there you go.

Also, calling a black person a “thug” when that person is a gainfully employed multi millionaire with no criminal record is racially insensitive.
 
Team Muuurica f*ck yeaahhh

I mean NYC is savage... You don’t come to our courts an expect to not be roasted a bit for a drama filled finals...

Caesar in Rome...
You don’t mess with Caesar at home...

This will
Make Osaka a stronger person.. this has got to
Be the worst case event for her, she past it! Moving forward
It’s so much more than that. It shows that sports and politics are indeed related, and it takes away from the spirit of the sport.

It brings a sense of hypocrisy in the middle of everything and it kind of takes away from the hope in the human goodness when a whole planet sees an old bully creating a huge scandal as she loses the game, just to get an edge and make the whole event about her ego, hiding it all under a SJW agenda and false care about her opponent, while hordes of celebrities and fans jump blindly to her help. The rest of the world looked in disgust...
 
Lol I don't know. But Millman literally is like hey I'm sweating here I'm out see ya. Novak be like ok man Im gonna kick it here while you do this which ok its really allowed In the meantime I'm gonna be cool and take my shirt off and relax. And the ref be like ok Millman go change your clothes. Then everyone is like ok this is cool. LOL.
That would not fly at the countreh cluub
 
Serena should fire her coach. He fessed up and then claims Osaka was getting instructions from her coach?! Proof? He should have apologized for causing Serena to defend her honor and cause her meltdown for his actions whether she saw the signals or not. Venus noticed. Very sad and glad Serena took the high road at the awards ceremony. That crowd was ridiculous, ready to hang the umpire.
 
Whatever you think of Serena and Naomi (and I adore Naomi), there is no doubt in my mind that the chair acted improperly.

I think there was gender bias at work. The first coaching violation? Deserved. The second violation? Deserved.

But I cannot begin to count the number of times men have sat in their chairs on changeovers and had heated discussions with umpires, and nothing whatever happens. But when it is Serena, it is a game penalty in the final. Insane. Her words were actually civil -- saying she deserved an apology, no profanity, no threats.

Need more proof?

In this same tournament, we had a chair umpire come out of his chair to basically coach Kirios in front of God and everyone. The proper response would have been to enforce the code of conduct, but no. Ump goes easy on the man, and USTA backs up the umpire.

By that standard, Ramos should have come out of his chair and talked to Serena, calm her nerves, tell her he wants to help her. Nope -- game penalty (when the tirade was over and he could have let it go) to put Serena's opponent a game away from the championship.

Congratulations to Naomi, but what happened today was rooted in disparate treatment and sexism.
In my opinion your point of view on this couldn’t be more wrong. When she called the chair a thief, that’s verbal abuse of an umpire...just like calling your opponent a cheater from across the court is verbal abuse.

Gender had nothing to do with it...the bigger issue is Serna losing her cool, and the broadcasters making it all about Serena, and her crass boorish behavior and not about Osaka’s victory. The only redeeming thing that Serena did was address the crowd during the ceremony.

The bigger question is why does Serena always have “Drama” around her when she loses at the later stages of a Major?
 
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I think it is bad for the game, very bad.

Recall that figure skating Used to be one of the most popular sports in the world. Big money. Then there was a judging scandal at the Olympics , and the sport never recovered.

If tennis does not clean up his act with regard to consistent officiating regardless of gender or ranking or celebrity, the public will lose faith that the outcome is legitimate. Sports fans want championships to be settled on the field, not in the Umpire chair or anywhere else.

Recall also that most people who were watching that final today we’re not deeply into tennis the way we all are. All they know is they saw an official taking action to intervene when better discretion would have been to let things go and Deescalate.

Heck, I feel a little cheated myself. I would have liked to see what happened when Osaka served at 43. Better yet, perhaps Osaka could have won in three sets. That would have been exciting and more meaningful for everyone.

Serena deserve to lose for being stupid. But I don’t think or Osaka or the fans or the viewers deserve to be cheated out of a match Settled fair and square on the court.
It was Serena serving at 3-4. And yes, everyone deserved to see the match played out until the end.

Ramos just made the thing a ridiculous unnecessary mess.
 
Brilliantly said.

Serena needs anger management or something. She has a massive sense of entitlement and perceived injustice and thinks she can do whatever she wants, but it really comes out when she's losing because she can't accept someone outplaying her. She's nearly 37, she should be over this by now, but we may be seeing Serena finally unable to come back to the tour after months out and blast, bully and intimidate her way to slam victory. Players and umpires are standing up to her

As for Osaka, what a great humble and likeable champion!


Yes anger management but fan and media worshipping are like a validation of those outbursts, that's the problem. It's being indulged on a grand scale rather than being reined in. She needs more people like that ump in her life. Also it seems to be worse at USO due to the extra pressure.
 
@dannythomas:

You said something I agree with: When Serena is being outplayed, she creates a distraction or diversion on purpose to try to shake up her opponent. Often, this manifest itself in some outlandish scream after she hits a winner to rattle her opponent. Tonight, she wasn’t hitting any winners, so the scream wasn’t an option.

Watch the rackets smash again. Serena rarely breaks a racket, and I don’t think I have ever seen it before. I think she was trying to fire up the crowd and make a scene, anything to rattle her opponent. I think she forgot that the coaching violation warning wasn’t really just a warning that would not count against her. Then when she lost the point penalty , Of course she was furious and lost her mind. So she figured she would make a scene by sitting in her chair and barking at the empire, just the way the men do. Again, she missed calculated because only the men are allowed to do that, apparently.

In a way then, this whole drama was part of a calculated plan that got out of control.
 
Maybe it's not so clear. Matter of factly pointing to middle ground being correct is no different then choosing any extreme position.
Have to disagree. Stating that a complex situation with multiple points of view and experiences is going to have one party being absolutely righteous and the other absolutely at fault is quite unlikely. It's a much less bold claim to say it was probably a combination of mistakes from both parties, bad luck, and other circumstances.
 
Like I said in other posts. Millman walked off the court for 15 minutes cause his clothes were sweaty, his opponent sat there chitlin with his shirt off, nothing happened to either of them. Millman can't just walk off cause his clothes are sweaty lol. Cornet gets a warning for flipping her shirt around:) Houston we have a problem. If you think the women aint paying attention you don't know women.
 
Have to disagree. Stating that a complex situation with multiple points of view and experiences is going to have one party being absolutely righteous and the other absolutely at fault is quite unlikely. It's a much less bold claim to say it was probably a combination of mistakes from both parties, bad luck, and other circumstances.
Well put.
 
How can normal people behave this way and what is this apathy shown by people around them? What a society we are living in!
The anger of Serena and this woman is reflective of something that will never change in America. No matter how much people want to believe in a harmonious future, it will never happen.

We Are the World and Hands Across America will never ever happen. LOL.

Remember Obama’s big speech on race? Didn’t matter. Racism is inescapable. When I lived on the east coast I dated beautiful educated white women who used the N word all the time who openly hated blacks. Women have this hate too. It’s not just white men with NRA stickers. People cannot admit it and accept that many of us are racist and most of us text and drive. Just accept it instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. Everybody texts and drives now. Many people are racist. It’s juat reality.
 
Umpire could have expressed some restraint for game penalty but you have missed other things Serena said 'You will not umpire anymore matches of mine . You stole a point . You accused me of cheating . You are a liar. Say sorry' in a threatening voice is NOT at all a good look for the sport
She berated him for the better part of 6 mins between the three breaks in the action. I'd say he showed incredible restraint in not telling her "Bye, Felicia" about 30 seconds into that psychotic break of hers.
 
I don't know if its the USTA or what. But these goofs let millman walk off in the middle of a set to change his sweaty clothes with no ramifications. Not a warning not anything. You can't do that. Seriously. And they give a warning to a girl flipping her shirt around. This all builds up into clusters like this.
 

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The anger of Serena and this woman is reflective of something that will never change in America. No matter how much people want to believe in a harmonious future, it will never happen.

We Are the World and Hands Across America will never ever happen. LOL.

Remember Obama’s big speech on race? Didn’t matter. Racism is inescapable. When I lived on the east coast I dated beautiful educated white women who used the N word all the time who openly hated blacks. Women have this hate too. It’s not just white men with NRA stickers. People cannot admit it and accept that many of us are racist and most of us text and drive. Just accept it instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. Everybody texts and drives now. Many people are racist. It’s juat reality.
I don't live in America so this comes as a surprise for sure. At the same time, I have had the chance to be in and around the Boston area on work several times and in all my experience, the Bostonians are in general very nice people. Of course, I only speak as an outsider.
 
And that for me is where the real issue lies is in the third call. I think that the referee and supervisor review everything and decide if this was clearly verbal abuse, which I honestly feel it was not, not in the grand scheme of things.
She jawwed at him for almost 6 minutes before getting that penalty. WTF do you expect an umpire to do when she calls him a liar, a thief, a cheat, and threatens you'll never work one of my matches again? He showed remarkable patience until she doubled down with her Sheneneh act there at the end.
 
I will just call it - prima donna, again!
Millman aint no prima dona and they let the dude walk off to change his sweaty clothes for like 15 minutes!. You ever seen anything like that? Be honest. Then women get warnings for flipping their shirts around. Now explain that rational. Go ahead.
 
It is odd that only Serena gets called for a coaching gesture in an entire tournament especially if it is so wide spread. By the book it is still coaching, so I can't disagree with the first call.
The second call is completely legit--see racquet for evidence.

The third call with the game penalty did not initially seem to be abuse when she just called him a liar and thief. Yes it is not nice, but people aren't always nice and that is not necessarily abuse. I think Ramos made the call not because of the words but because she just kept going at him and the liar and thief were the last straw.

If I'm correct on the live production some of their argument wasn't initially broadcast in full, so it just seemed the last comment gave her the game penalty. But with the replays and watching the Tennis Channel Feed later it seemed that she just wouldn't stop.

I think the crowd wasn't clear on what was going on and hence sided with Serena.
I also think Serena wasn't clear where she stood with penalties, which is totally her responsibility. I think she felt the coaching issue was resolved and didn't count against her, which it clearly did.

Great play from Osaka, great nerves to get through this.
 
I don't know if its the USTA or what. But these goofs let millman walk off in the middle of a set to change his sweaty clothes with no ramifications. Not a warning not anything. You can't do that. Seriously. And they give a warning to a girl flipping her shirt around. This all builds up into clusters like this.
The Millman thing is fine as long as the opponent agrees. Djokovic was more than happy to oblige.
 
She jawwed at him for almost 6 minutes before getting that penalty. WTF do you expect an umpire to do when she calls him a liar, a thief, a cheat, and threatens you'll never work one of my matches again? He showed remarkable patience until she doubled down with her Sheneneh act there at the end.
Yes. But, i must correct you on the Sheneneh. Totes racisst.
I believe she has named that part of her split personality, Taquanda. So yeah.
 
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