They owe the whole earthlings an apology.
incredible, WTA just ban her pleaseAfter being penalised for throwing her racket early in the second set:
'This is unbelievable. Every team I play here I have problems.
'I didn't get coaching, I didn't get coaching. I didn't get coaching. You need to make an announcement that I didn't get coaching. I don't cheat, I didn't get coaching. How can you say that?
'You owe me an apology. You owe me an apology. I have never cheated in my life. I have a daughter and I stand for what is right for her and I've never cheated. You owe me an apology.
After being broken to trail 4-3 in the second set:
'I never got coaching. I explained that to you and for you to attack my character then something is wrong. You're attacking my character. Yes you are. You owe me an apology.
'You will never, ever, ever be on another court of mine as long as you live. You are the liar. When are you going to give me my apology? You owe me an apology.
'Say it, say you're sorry. Then don't talk to me, don't talk to me. How dare you insinuate I was cheating? You stole a point from me. You're a thief too.'
After being docked a game:
'Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Because I said you were a thief? You stole a point from me. I'm not a cheater. I told you to apologise to me. Excuse me I need the referee, I don't agree with that.
With tournament referees:
'This is not right. INAUDIBLE. He said I was being coached but I was not being coached. That's not right. You know me. You know my character. This is not fair. This has happened to me too many times. This is not fair. To lose a game for saying that is not fair. Do you know how many men do things that are much worse than that? This is not fair.
'There are a lot of men out here that have said a lot of things and because they are a man it doesn't matter. This is unbelievable. No I don't know the risk because if I say a simple thing, a thief, because he stole a point from me.
'There are men out here that do a lot worse and because I'm a woman you're going to take this away from me. That is not right. And you know it and I know you can't admit it, but I know you know that is not right. I know you can't change it but I'm just saying that is not right.
'I get the rules but I'm just saying it's not right. It happens to me at this tournament every single year and it's not fair. That's all I have to say.
Post-match press conference:
'I can't sit here and say I wouldn't say he's a thief, because I thought he took a game from me.
'But I've seen other men call other umpires several things. I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff. For me to say 'thief' and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. He's never taken a game from a man because they said 'thief'. It blows my mind.
'I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that wants to express themselves, and wants to be a strong woman.
'They're going to be allowed to do that because of today. Maybe it didn't work out for me, but it's going to work out for the next person.'
I think it further supports the view there are double standards.Ramos was the chair umpire who clashed with Wawrinka in the AO 14 final so .... in your face fragile women ! I hope it didnt sounded that harsh
lucid poastNo male player who's reached a GS final in the last 15 years that I have been following the game would behave the way Serena did. Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Ferrer, Berdych, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Cilic, Agassi, Soderling you take anyone. Forget male players, I would say the same thing about other female players as well. No one other than Serena would do that. They may get one code violation for coaching/racquet abuse but they would not repeat it, nor would they throw a temper tantrum like her and berate the umpire. Serena has a problem and it has nothing to do with her gender or race.
Yeah, but then she would have accused him of getting personal with her and invading her privacy.Ramos shouldve announced in the microphone that serena has a daughter
Umpire should never have called for a coaching violation during a Grand slam final.....That set her up for what transpired and ruined the match.....Whatever you think of Serena and Naomi (and I adore Naomi), there is no doubt in my mind that the chair acted improperly.
I think there was gender bias at work. The first coaching violation? Deserved. The second violation? Deserved.
But I cannot begin to count the number of times men have sat in their chairs on changeovers and had heated discussions with umpires, and nothing whatever happens. But when it is Serena, it is a game penalty in the final. Insane. Her words were actually civil -- saying she deserved an apology, no profanity, no threats.
Need more proof?
In this same tournament, we had a chair umpire come out of his chair to basically coach Kirios in front of God and everyone. The proper response would have been to enforce the code of conduct, but no. Ump goes easy on the man, and USTA backs up the umpire.
By that standard, Ramos should have come out of his chair and talked to Serena, calm her nerves, tell her he wants to help her. Nope -- game penalty (when the tirade was over and he could have let it go) to put Serena's opponent a game away from the championship.
Congratulations to Naomi, but what happened today was rooted in disparate treatment and sexism.
How dare you defend a sexist, racist, misogynist, woman hating, rape condoning umpire for doing his job and applying the rules correctly. You sir are an absolute disgrace!Carlos, a sincere thank you for having the guts to stand up and call it like it is!
Oh yeah Roddick had plenty of outburts on court, everyone who followed his career knows it. However he did backtrack here after he calmed down which IMO shows this isn't a black and white situation (and Roddick is certainly not against Serena in any way, they're childhood friends). From my point of view the problem here wasn't that one insult (that happens pretty regularly) but that Serena spent so long verbally going at Ramos after already having two violations, that was just playing with fire (especially if Ramos is known for being a hardass among tennis umpires).i mean he literally told the audience to stay in school or they would become an umpire and pretty sure the call was wrong. roddick of all people would be calling out the hypocrisy of this forum and doesnt stand for that bs, thank god unlike half the idiots here.
sez the manNo surprise she is using the current feminism narrative to excuse her abysmal behaviour.
"I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff. For me to say 'thief' and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. He's never taken a game from a man because they said 'thief'.
"For me it blows my mind. But I'm going to continue to fight for women and to fight for us to have equality.
"I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that want to express themselves, and want to be a strong woman.
Yeah, anyone who uses that argument in the light of current situation on both tours is just heavily biased. This was Serena in good form (better than she was at Wimbledon) and a young player played fearless attacking tennis against her and kept her composure amazingly well.but i thought the oh so inferior wta was full of the mentally weak chokers
Well making noise on skin color has became old, racism has been pulled out so many times before so now it's time for another victim role - I am a woman and a mother.I still have no clue what this whole thing has to do with GENDER?!? Lol WTF Serena that was so random.
Apparently he will never umpire another final, will never umpire any of her matches. An obvious threat that she has immense stroke & will be trying to get him blackballed.Overpaid spoiled tennis players, what's new?
P.S. I don't think Mr Ramos will be featuring on Serena's Christmas Card list anytime soon!
Tennis Channel, at least in S. Fla., is being shown for free on comcast.Right now I don't have a cable subscription so I missed the match. After reading about this debacle I do not see the point of paying extra to get the Tennis Channel(for its rerun coverage).
IMHO Serena being "gracious to Naomi" was as fake as possible, right from the propaganda book:Agree 100%. I was furious about the way Osaka was treated by the mob, though Serena to her credit did come back to earth and was gracious to Naomi during the presentation (not without drama before that of course)
Serena was going to lose. Even she knee that and the reason for her outburst.Ramos also is one of the sport's few "gold badge" umpires, which is a distinction given only a handful of chair umpires based on extensive experience officiating major matches. According to tennis experts and former tennis officials, Ramos is one of the few umpires who isn't afraid to call a rules violation against elite players.
Assuming Serena never received a warning and point/game violations, would she managed to rally back from a set down and win the match? Or was Osaka was too good that day in which no umpire on the face of this planet would have changed the outcome?
Yeah, she even forgot to think of what injury she was being treated for. The interviewer asked and she just said she was having trouble breathing and was "choking." Not physically choking, but psychologically. Can you take a time out for a mental health condition such as anxiety. I dont think so!?Ouch. Yea it aint gonna be pretty. Although I will say this some things stick with me. Remember when AZ wandered off the court a few years back in a hot Aussie match with Stephens? She just left then came back like 10 minutes later. I don't know if she got disciplined for that. I just remember Stephens was pissed. And she was losing and she came back and beat Sloan. It was nuts. Sometimes these players do things the refs don't have a clue wtf to do.
Funny any the interview with her coach, he stated he was coaching her and yet she says he was not. In reality the match should have been over at that point. It was her third violation. If you commit the crime, you take the punishment. She thought since she was Serena Williams she was above the rules. Anyway Serena was creating an distraction to get Naomi off her game. Rules apply to all players!Umpire should never have called for a coaching violation during a Grand slam final.....That set her up for what transpired and ruined the match.....
Well he enforced them alright.Oh yeah Roddick had plenty of outburts on court, everyone who followed his career knows it. However he did backtrack here after he calmed down which IMO shows this isn't a black and white situation (and Roddick is certainly not against Serena in any way, they're childhood friends). From my point of view the problem here wasn't that one insult (that happens pretty regularly) but that Serena spent so long verbally going at Ramos after already having two violations, that was just playing with fire (especially if Ramos is known for being a hardass among tennis umpires).
Of course one of the biggest issues here is the inconsistency in enforcing the rules which creates confusion. Whether it excuses his behaviour or not what Mouratoglou said is true, the majority of coaches (on both tours) signal their players from the stands and rarely get violation for it. My stance on the rules has always been, either enforce it consistently or modify it/scrap it, doing it sporadically can cause significant problems.