How does Serena's behavior during USO Final compare to McEnroe during 1990 AO?

  • Serena's behavior was worse

    Votes: 88 58.3%
  • McEnroe's behavior was worse

    Votes: 38 25.2%
  • Both behaved about the same

    Votes: 25 16.6%

  • Total voters
    151
Status
Not open for further replies.

swizzy

Hall of Fame
andy roddick instantly sided with serena only to mull it over and come out with a more reasoned response a short time later... most media people will not. Serena holds all the cards.. the race, gender, and mommy card.. and the overwhelming entitlement of being at the top of the women's game for so long.. couple that with the the fact that the rules are often rarely enforced and probably silly in the first place.. you have coaches, let them do their job... racquet smashing feels great in those moments.. i have a large rubber dog toy in the shape of a tennis racquet in my bag.. it is incredibly satisfying to send it crashing... it makes a ridiculous squeaking sound too which always lifts my spirits on the crossovers when i blow an important point.. but mouthing off to any official should be met with stern penalties.. no three strikes and you lose a game.. a warning and an immediate game. either way it is terrible it had to go this way.. in a slam final.. but serena earned this tidal wave of negativity from tennis fans even if the public voices choose to ignore that reality
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
And the ATP players are frequently pinged for this kind of stuff. Hotheads like Fognini and Kyrgios are always getting violations for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Stop trying to manufacture inequality where it doesn't exist. All this persecution complex rubbish from folks today and not enough thinking going on. Smh

If you don't want to get pinged, don't act up. Simple.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
andy roddick instantly sided with serena only to mull it over and come out with a more reasoned response a short time later... most media people will not. Serena holds all the cards.. the race, gender, and mommy card.. and the overwhelming entitlement of being at the top of the women's game for so long.. couple that with the the fact that the rules are often rarely enforced and probably silly in the first place.. you have coaches, let them do their job... racquet smashing feels great in those moments.. i have a large rubber dog toy in the shape of a tennis racquet in my bag.. it is incredibly satisfying to send it crashing... it makes a ridiculous squeaking sound too which always lifts my spirits on the crossovers when i blow an important point.. but mouthing off to any official should be met with stern penalties.. no three strikes and you lose a game.. a warning and an immediate game. either way it is terrible it had to go this way.. in a slam final.. but serena earned this tidal wave of negativity from tennis fans even if the public voices choose to ignore that reality
Roddick at least acknowledges he's very biased in this matter.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
Williams should've just accepted the warning and tended to her business instead of making a scene. No player gets anywhere by arguing with an umpire. The umpire's decision stands no matter if a player calls for the referee to intervene.
She kept going because she was trying to do a Jimmy Connors a la 1992 or whatever year it was..where he made the umpire his personal enemy and got the crowd behind him. She was clearly getting outplayed and tried the same tactic..she's just too immature and stupid to know when to back it off. She also relishes being a victim and continues by claiming any of this has anything to do with sexism. What a brat and a baby.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
To me her behavior was indeed out of line and I havnt argued that in any of these threads I’m arguing in. However what I am saying is at that moment on that stage and with the match likely essentially over it didn’t need to have been called to the letter of the law. I feel in sport the nuance matters. Sometime very little sometimes a lot. And in this case it mattered entirely too much.
So do you think the Code of Conduct section of the rule book should end, "If the match is important, chair umpire should disregard these rules and use their own judgement." ?
 

HuusHould

Hall of Fame
Oh here we go.

The only people I see that are obsessed with race are people within the modern left:
- “White privilege”
- “White MALE” (reeeeee)
- “Cultural appropriation”
- “Black Lives Matter” (lol)
- “Oppression”
- “Diversity”
- “Diversity quotas” (where people get hired based on race instead of merit)

I could go on and on. The modern left even goes so far as to equate religion with race (e.g. “Stop saying Islam is cancer. That’s rAciST!”)
So please, don’t try and twist this into a “right wing” thing, because it clearly isn’t.
"Diversity tomorrow, because today,.......is almost over."
 
There are 52 cards in a deck and no woman card, funny that?
Lol! 52 card deck, yes. That number is so binary non binary.
1. gender is over.
2. there are four queens. Oprah, serena, beyoncé, and the fourth one is open to interpretation at any given moment. I think it is either a kardashian or bruce jenner.
3. Some jokers are women.
4. Most numbers are women, including the ACE.

I am beginning to think you're a part of the patriarchy. Your masculinity it mad toxic right now, yo.
 

CdnUmp

New User
Kyrgios gets coached by the umpire while #thismama gets a game penalty
No. She received a warning for the coaching. Then she received a point penalty for smashing her racket. Then she received a game penalty at the end of a lengthy two-part tirade that resulted in her questioning the umpire's ethics. The fact that she kept thinking it's an attack on her character and that he needs to apologize and make an announcement is absurd. It's a warning. She's a professional. Move on. I can't think of another player who would have acted the way she did under the same circumstances. Maybe Mac?
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
At U.S. Open, power of Serena Williams and Naomi Osaka is overshadowed by an umpire’s power play
by Sally Jenkins,
The Washington Post

What any clear, hate-free mind witnessed:


Key point #1:



Irrefutable truth. As I--and anyone who followed the sport more than the ages of certain TWW members, Serena did not do anything different than innumerable players I tennis history. Sorry Hooded Haters, but her reaction is nothing compared to outbursts from Nastase, McEnroe, Connors cursing out anyone in sight with McEnroe's violent behavior injuring a fan), cursing out umpires and fans like Sharapova, Jim Courier violently shaking the chair umpire (nearly causing him to be pitched from the seat), or the unforgivable racist tirade against James Blake and a linesperson who happened to be the "wrong" color by the vile Lleyton Hewitt (who should have been banned from the sport for his attack...but was not). Nowhere near yesterday's incident, no matter how much you want it to be that way. So for Ramos to effectively shift the course of a majors final strongly suggests he either hates Williams (for any number of despicable reasons), or as the article points out, he could not stand a woman asserting her rightful opinion to him. Take your pick.

Key point #2:



Of all players in history--female or male to not need on-court coaching, that would be Serena. You do not reach her kind of success by having constant whispers in your ears; a player faces some new and some familiar opponents at any turn, and there's no way to take all of their possible reactons or strategies into consideration enough that it would matter--unless one is a low-skilled player (I will leave them nameless for now). Moreover, there's more than enough players in the WTA and ATP who do receive on-court coaching, but how often are they being penalized?

Key point #3:



So, let's see...Nadal threatening Ramos' job security (and the threat meant exactly that) was less egregious than "You're a thief?" Bullsh*t--so once again, it all goes back to what can only be Ramos' motivations / reactions, and by comparison, he barely slapped Nadal on the wrist for a greater, personal threat to his livelihood.

Key point #4:



If was a thief--his sticky fingers were motivated by sickening beliefs. I will let the Serena haters / Ramos defenders try to spin that anyway they can, as failed a mission that will be.
Firstly, Serena threatened Ramos' job as well. Not surprised that the Washington Post (lol) left that out though

Secondly, hahahahahahhaha. Try not to lose too much sleep bro
 
I am a man. I am ashamed of it.
I am a father. I bred. Some of my offspring are biologically males who identify as males. I am so sorry.

I am quitting tennis so i can further my so-chill justice journey. I mean Her-ney.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
There is no need to be ashamed. Let Aussie Darcy be your guide to spiritual awareness and the non-spiritual stuff as well.

I am a man. I am ashamed of it.
I am a father. I bred. Some of my offspring are biologically males who identify as males. I am so sorry.

I am quitting tennis so i can further my so-chill justice journey. I mean Her-ney.
 

Clara

New User
I don't know but it's clear her coach knows what he's doing is illegal.

Impressive that the umpire was aware enough to catch it. Even Serena did not see it. :eek:
Actually she admitted that what he was showing was a ‘thumbs up’ not coaching. And right after the gesture she started going to the net. To me it obvious what was happening even ESPN commentators agreed that it was coaching and she listened.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top