Nadal threatened Ramos' livelihood--in other words, he was using the power he knows he possesses in the sport against Ramos. That was beyond more than enough and something that deserved more than what Nadal received, according to the little "I love Ramos" group of Talk Tennis. His trying to force his will on Serena for whatever reason was outrageous. Since others note he's had run-ins with other players, perhaps Nadal was right in making his threat.Well I don't remember Nadal yelling or demanding an apology or getting in his face or carrying it on for multiple change overs.
Then you were not watching the match.Not a thing the quoted article claims is true.
You have just invalidated anything you have to say. This lead to the conclusion if the article was from the one-sided National Review, or Breitbart, or perhaps Trump' (or one of his Russian handlers) you would sing their praises.Would you expect anything different from a liberal rag
Then he is a problem, but as the article so clearly explains, he escalated the entire incident.Ramos has had run-ins with a lot of players over the years tbf. Murray, Novak, Nadal, Kyrgios (OK, Kyrgios has run-ins with everyone....).
He did not, which says what about his treatment of Serena? If he has never escalated an issue to this degree---even against Nadal who threatened his job, then what are his motives? A weak man who tried--and failed--to save face in front of a crowd? Or something else?I do think he made a mistake with the game penalty and I also think he could've done more to try and defuse the initial kerfuffle, but she definitely made her share of mistakes yesterday unfortunately.
The rule can’t depend on whether the player took the coaching to heart because that will always be impossible to prove.I thought it was clear that they were saying (albeit not in so many words) that the chair umpire followed the rules. It's a dry statement but it's not that hard to parse imo.
I personally wasn't sure whether the coaching rule required the player to participate in coaching and the statement clarified for me that it doesn't, it's enough that the player box coaches (which makes sense as it puts onus on players, who are indeed best positioned to do so, to make sure the box behaves like it should).
I'm guessing that the "it's not reviewable" part is probably a response to a bunch of people @-ing at them to step in and do sth.
My point is that Nick's incidents are quite frequent whereas her last one was 7 years ago. Otherwise, I do agree he's not malicious, that's partially why I like Nick. I'm not sure he's maturing though - I thought he was but then he tanked against Borna not too long ago and kind of dashed my hopes as far as that one.Well, Kyrgios is constantly arguing and he is constantly being called on it. That's exactly the point. Plus, he has matured a lot and he is never (as far as I have seen) malicious.
I don't think what Serena did will bring Western civilization down. But the attempts to justify her very immature behaviour by the US press while accusing the umpire of all mortal sins very well might Come on, she is a veteran; she should know better. She was very much out of line and even her coach didn't lie in order to defend her; he admitted he had been coaching. Pretty telling, don't you think.
That's hardly "global" coverage hehe.I meant global coverage from New York to LA. Not foreign countries like Britain and France - I'm sure they would rather support one of their own Ramos the chair umpire. No surprise there. People from foreign countries don't like American sporting heros and their generosity and other great human qualities.
Carlos Ramos is a personification of the unfair advantage they exercise.
she wont. a crook will always be a crook when given the chance. a thug , always a thug. way to be a thug out there Serena. Such class you show to young kids everywhere.Serena should realise by now that a meltdown with the chair at the US open final always ends up bad. Remember the one with Clijsters and stour? Now Osaka. If she gets to the final in NY again she needs to keep herself in check.
I disagree, the outrage I'm talking about had no political connotation.I think they are taking revenge for the heavily justified America first policy of the current us government. People are tired of being taken advantage and foreign countries don't like the fact that US has become smart and standing up for itself.
I take offense to herstory. We need to relearn hystory. We have to stop genderising everything. For the sake of gender equality, if you only have one front hole, you need to get another. Alternatively, demand eternal apologies from your parents for not giving you two in the first place. They really did steal a hole from you. And robbed you of the joy of giving birth to a daughter.Spiritual. Awareness? What? That is dead now. I am on my her-ney. This is real. Anything is real if you identify it as real, man! I mean, person. Herstory will be kind to serena. Not Ramos. I want to end up on the good side of herstory. I follow the goddess now. And you cannot have aussie darcy guide me.
No it didn't. Please. Utter conjecture at best.The sexist trope of the hysterical woman played a major factor in that weak 'abusing the umpire' call.
That's really all there is to it.Billie Jean King is talking nonsense. Carlos Ramos has a history of enforcing the rules by the letter. He has given code violations to numerous men for being "emotional". For instance:
- Djokovic was penalised by Ramos for unsportsmanlike conduct after yelling at the French Open in 2017.
- At the 2016 French Open, Nick Kyrgios was given a code violation by Ramos for yelling at a ball boy.
- Ramos gave Andy Murray code violation for saying "stupid umpiring" at the 2016 Olympics.
Yes ofc she only cared about her own ego in that situation. I always wonder how people like her can fit their egos inside their head.That's the problem. What's left wing is almost rightwing in another country. What's feminism in someone's mind is lunacy in another. Serena was not representing anything other than her inflated ego. I am someone who cares deeply for women's rights. I don't call myself anything of course. It is what it is.
Yes and we broke up soon afterwards. She did this because she knew I wasn't gonna hit back. If a man did that to me he'd be scooping up the skin from his face from the ground = totally acceptable.Sorry I don't understand. Were you a victim of abusive behaviour on a woman's part? I am well aware that the pendulum swings both ways.
So it's Trump's fault now LOL gods below you can't make this chit up.I think they are taking revenge for the heavily justified America first policy of the current us government. People are tired of being taken advantage and foreign countries don't like the fact that US has become smart and standing up for itself.
I'm just wondering when tennis fans started backing umpires who unnecessarily inject themselves into the story line of the match. I prefer umpires who step back and let the beautiful tennis speak for itself.
I am sorry this happened to you. None of this is acceptable. No one has a right to hit anyone.Yes and we broke up soon afterwards. She did this because she knew I wasn't gonna hit back. If a man did that to me he'd be scooping up the skin from his face from the ground = totally acceptable.
I'm not worried about it. I've heard women say crazy things all my life and it doesn't mean anything 99% of the time. If I really thought she was serious I wouldn't talk about it or be with her.I wouldn't go for a woman like that but whatever floats your boat. hope you're still alive in another eight years.
I have a gf but I don't think its a great idea to talk about our relationship publicly. You never know whose watching.
I really don't know how this incident got this colour to be honest. It has nothing racial or sexist in its entirety.Yes ofc she only cared about her own ego in that situation. I always wonder how people like her can fit their egos inside their head.
But you see she turns it into a woman's rights issue, when all she actually cares about it herself. She plays the victim, sexist card.
That's what I see typical feminists doing unfortunately, certainly where I come from
Exact same thing happened to my uncle. Literally the exact same thing.And you know that because?
A very good friend of mine was abused by her husband for years...years after marriage. She stayed in it only for her children. Care to explain this?
God this is dumb as hell and I wish people wouldn’t bring political mud slinging to the tennis forum. What utter nonsense.If they came to NYC thinking it's real America, good luck to them. It shows lack of awareness and wisdom.
Are Citizenship papers real? I know printing has advanced in many parts of the world. The printing shops have good business creating fake but real looking documents.
Otherwise there is no way millions would be pouring into already overcrowded cities such as NYC with severe shortage of affordable housing for hard working native born Americans.
Dems love it because it means more power to them via tribal voting habits.
Agree, different kind of culture, true. like Hamberger eating, head banging rock and roll kind of culture. Europeans look down on that kind of stuff because it doesn't have thousands of years of heritage behind it.We have culture. Its different because we are such a young country. Everything originally came from somewhere else and we made it our version. Not everything, but a lot of things.
Don't disagree at all it's a case by case basis. That is why I don't like the broad brush stroke statements like 'women rant but men are calm' or 'men shouldn't cry' etc.Exact same thing happened to my uncle. Literally the exact same thing.
You don't have to be a man to be a terrible, controlling, abusive partner.
This really does have to be the stupidest line I've seen repeated ad nauseum today.I'm just wondering when tennis fans started backing umpires who unnecessarily inject themselves into the story line of the match. I prefer umpires who step back and let the beautiful tennis speak for itself.
US Open and other Grand Slam tournaments (AO, FO, Wimbledon) are governed by the ITF which has its own rules, different from ATP/WTA rules.Some have noted here that women's tennis is governed by the WTA, and therefore is managed differently than the ATP.
If that's the case here, shouldn't it also be the case concerning Serena's code violations in the US Open Ladies Final? Apologists for her kept saying that she was treated differently than the men would be (not that I agree with that).
It is NOT only the word (‘thief’, ‘liar’) - it is also the manner of speech : yelling IS a verbal abuse too! Serena was yelling at Ramos bigtime for quite a while!There was no option for a warning. Third violation is an automatic game penalty.
1. Coaching (Warning)
2. Smash Racket (Point penalty)
3. You're A Thief! (Game)