Serena Williams

[Man of steel]

I know you're coming from a good place, but she's 'only been human' too frequently.
And, especially when losing.

Isn't that what being human mean? Happy, estatic and joyful in victory...completely the opposite emotions in defeat.

 

[skyline]

When the African American community has a single motherhood rate upwards of 70% and commits over 50% of violent crime despite being only 13% of the US population, there’s a problem.

Define single motherhood.

 

[skyline]

David Law says he's a lovely guy off the court.

He probably looks worse than he is on court bc other judges are more lenient.

 

[VaporDude95]

Define single motherhood.

Seriously? I’m not going to discuss with you if you don’t even know what single motherhood is (ie; it’s bad for the development of children).

 

[Rogfan]

Catching up with some of the news stories and comments today just makes me so sick and sad. So many trying to defend the indefensible, in doing so, they completely lose their credibility and the like of Serena Williams of the game will probably just carry on. Also in defending Willians they take away the voice of poor umpires who already do not have a voice and who are there to simply do their job. They continue to ignore/forget the day was and should be about Naomi Osaka. I don’t know anymore which is worse, Williams’s behaviour on court and the later sexism claim, or the strings of senseless support she is getting from media, commentators and players alike.

Does anyone know if there’s any way to send some support to Ramos? I’d love to tell him he did a good job and tell the authorities we need more of him.

 

[skyline]

Seriously? I’m not going to discuss with you if you don’t even know what single motherhood is (ie; it’s bad for the development of children).

Yes, seriously.

Do people have to be formally married? Do they have to live together? If they don’t but the child lives with the father 50 percent of the time, is that ‘single motherhood?’

What’s single motherhood, as you’ve used the term?

Define it, and then link research that supports your claim that 70 percent of black women fit that definition.

Go on.

 

[VaporDude95]

Yes, seriously.

Do people have to be formally married? Do they have to live together? If they don’t but the child lives with the father 50 percent of the time, is that ‘single motherhood?’

What’s single motherhood, as you’ve used the term?

Define it, and then link research that supports your claim that 70 percent of black women fit that definition.

Go on.

I’m not going to waste time debating with an !diot who doesn’t even know what a single mother is.

Look the stats up for yourself.

 

[Goosehead]

lol, the mods hoover up about a dozen serena threads into this one but since last night loads more have sprouted up !.

its like the triffids are coming.."b-but but there are more of them..everywhere".

 

[Service Ace]

You are missing the core of my point due to your emotionality. By "quote" I mean use in order to support your position.

Becasuse what I was replying to was what you just said The implication there obviously is that "random ass forumers" are automatically unqualified to comment on the subject compared to pros or television commentators. But really it's only because they happen to agree with you in this situation, as I pointed out another situation where you vehemently disagreed with Djokovic and were in agreement with some "random ass forumers" on here.

BTW, it's unlikely you would get the honest opinion of a colleague because it would seem like a direct shot. It's a bad PR move. Actually, to be honest and because unlike you I'm not an ideologue, I think the code violation that led to a game default was borderline although by the letter of the law Ramos was not wrong. Serena really pushed it at the end and wouldn't let up, he didn't just give it to her at the first sign of a disagreement or something.

What was incontrovertible was that Serena behaved badly and her accusations of sexism after were insulting to our intelligence and undermined real sexism.

Please cool it with the "sweeties", there is no need to get emotional on this subject.

Nobody moves the goal post like you buddy. How many times you going to go the well with "Oh, wait I didn't mean it like THAT, I meant it like THIS" after being proven wrong? You've done it twice now already ITT but I'm sure you'll try to justify it rather than just own up to it

 

[Bartelby]

And most of the threads have a clear political theme as well.

lol, the mods hoover up about a dozen serena threads into this one but since last night loads more have sprouted up !.

its like the triffids are coming.."b-but but there are more of them..everywhere".

 

[Deleted member 756486]

My final post on this mess of a thread.

Serena is a disgrace and anyone who still viewes her as a role model after this incident is also a disgrace.

Good day.

 

[skyline]

I’m not going to waste time debating with an !diot who doesn’t even know what a single mother is.

Look the stats up for yourself.

In other words you don’t actually know contents of the concrete terms you’re using and you don’t know how those terms relate to the percentages you’re throwing around.

It sure is frustrating to be called on it, isn’t it?

My questions are simple and I’m not doing the work of supporting your argument for you.

 

[max]

Catching up with some of the news stories and comments today just makes me so sick and sad. So many trying to defend the indefensible, in doing so, they completely lose their credibility and the like of Serena Williams of the game will probably just carry on. Also in defending Willians they take away the voice of poor umpires who already do not have a voice and who are there to simply do their job. They continue to ignore/forget the day was and should be about Naomi Osaka. I don’t know anymore which is worse, Williams’s behaviour on court and the later sexism claim, or the strings of senseless support she is getting from media, commentators and players alike.

Does anyone know if there’s any way to send some support to Ramos? I’d love to tell him he did a good job and tell the authorities we need more of him.

I tend to think a postcard to Katrina Adams, prez of the USTA, might be the way to go. Or it might not. . . you might get a secretary tossing any words of support, you never know. I would hope the USTA umpires themselves would issue a statement of support, and also demand the right to do what Ramos did in all tournaments.

We know, for instance, that the mens events simply sell many more tickets and bring in much more money than the womens. I was shocked to see that the usual viewing for a US Open womens final is less than half of that for the mens final. The implication here is strong: much more pressure on umpires to keep from booting unruly male players.

But Serena, of course, knows and plays womens tennis and should expect the usual application of rules. Take a look at the youtube video of her unsportsmanlike conduct with the US Open Clijsters final. Shameful. BUT hey, again this is prima donna theatrics.

 

[byealmeens]

And most of the threads have a clear political theme as well.

Dumb question ... I guess we cannot respond to posts in the other threads now correct? I know there are too many threads popping up but there was a couple that had very useful discussion IMO.

 

[VaporDude95]

In other words you don’t actually know contents of the concrete terms you’re using and you don’t know how those terms relate to the percentages you’re throwing around.

It sure is frustrating to be called on it, isn’t it?

My questions are simple and I’m not doing the work of supporting your argument for you.

I do know everything I’m talking about. You don’t even know what a single freaking mother is, and you’re trying to portray yourself as some kind of victor. Laughing my head off right now.

It’s even on Wikipedia ffs, with a graph just to make it easy for you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

Keep in mind, these are only children BORN to single mothers. This doesn’t even include the kids are deprived of a father after they were born.

 

[Hardcourter]

In other words you don’t actually know contents of the concrete terms you’re using and you don’t know how those terms relate to the percentages you’re throwing around.

It sure is frustrating to be called on it, isn’t it?

My questions are simple and I’m not doing the work of supporting your argument for you.

ARE you really this dumb? Its clear what single mother stands for, in Finland its called yh= yksinhuoltaja aka single mother. It's a mother who cares his baby alone, cause the ***** fatha has left the building

 

[tennis tom]

It's always very funny when people like you accuse Serena of bullying, whereas I can do it with a clear conscience.

So you think it's "funny" the BULLYING of umpire Ramos, and the of the diminutive Asian lines-lady, that serena threatened to shove a ball down her throat. Amongst other threats, she threatened to take his livelihood away, while shaming him in front of the world--a low paid man just doing an onerous job--having to officiate a serena match. Sometimes criticism is just criticism and has no hidden agenda--all one has to do is view the event and words her highness spoke--they speak for themselves--what's your "hidden" agenda--maybe you're a shill for her sponsors--do you also do paid for yelp reviews? Maybe you're a part time "anonymous" sourcer.

 

[Ronaldo]

My final post on this mess of a thread.

Serena is a disgrace and anyone who still viewes her as a role model after this incident is also a disgrace.

Good day.

 

[VaporDude95]

My final post on this mess of a thread.

Serena is a disgrace and anyone who still viewes her as a role model after this incident is also a disgrace.

Good day.

Agreed. This is my sign-off too.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Nobody moves the goal post like you buddy. How many times you going to go the well with "Oh, wait I didn't mean it like THAT, I meant it like THIS" after being proven wrong? You've done it twice now already ITT but I'm sure you'll try to justify it rather than just own up to it

That's not moving the goal post 1st of all lol. And it was pretty obvious how I meant it but it didn't even change the core of the disagreement anyway. That's what people who are wrong in arguments tend to do---distract with meaningless side issues.

I'm out too. Later all.

Got a daughter to take care of

 

[Steve0904]

We need Kyrgios' take on this

Easy. "If I did that I would be suspended for a year,"

And then thrown in jail for crimes against humanity without a trial.

 

[max]

Agreed. This is my sign-off too.

I'm out, too. I don't feel the Serena-supporters have convinced me to change my view that the ump did a good job in a tough situation, and that Serena's mental game needs work.

 

[tennis tom]

Satan doesn't exist.

you hope

 

[skyline]

I do know everything I’m talking about. You don’t even know what a single freaking mother is, and you’re trying to portray yourself as some kind of victor. Laughing my head off right now.

It’s even on Wikipedia ffs, with a graph just to make it easy for you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

Keep in mind, these are only children BORN to single mothers. This doesn’t even include the kids are deprived of a father after they were born.

So, if a mother is unmarried, the child is by default fatherless.

That’ll be interesting news to parents around the world who raise their children together under the same roof and cohabit just like married couples do but without the piece of paper saying they’re wedded before the eyes of state.

 

[PDJ]

Isn't that what being human mean? Happy, estatic and joyful in victory...completely the opposite emotions in defeat.

It's how you handle defeat.
That's character.

 

[skyline]

ARE you really this dumb? Its clear what single mother stands for, in Finland its called yh= yksinhuoltaja aka single mother. It's a mother who cares his baby alone, cause the ***** fatha has left the building

Oooooh, another one of you.

Now it’s your turn.

Tell me, what does it mean to ‘leave the building?’ If a guy is living under the same roof with his long term partner he’s not married to, and they have a baby, is he ‘out of the building?’

Tell me what it means to be ‘out of the building’ and then give me stats to support the claim that building-leaving has occurred in 70 percent of African American families.

 

[Man of steel]

It's how you handle defeat.
That's character.

And no one has handled them in a consistent manner.

 

[PDJ]

And no one has handled them in a consistent manner.

I think its fair to say Evert did.

 

[tennis tom]

Her coach admitted to "coaching"--it's a fact in pro tennis that it's done--just because Bobby Riggs said he didn't bet against himself doesn't mean it's true--her coach works for her--he gets a percentage of her winnings--the ump didn't accuse her of cheating--he cited her coach for coaching--whether she saw it or not--he works for her--in the corporate world that she is a part of, the boss is responsible for the actions of their employees directly or indirectly--just viewed the incident again on the replay--VERY UGLY!--her words and actions speak for themselves--a total bully--pseudo victim--narcissist (according to the Mayo clinic "A person who has an inflated sense of self-importance"--her highness is a poster child for that. Anyone still having doubts about what really happened, view the incident from start to finish--if a picture says a thousand words, then a youtube says it all--she's a very bad actor--crocodile tears that could fill Lake Powell Reservoir.

 

[Man of steel]

I think its fair to say Evert did.

I think it's fair to say we don't have enough post match TV interviews, articles, on court microphones or even media in general during that era to equivocally say that.

 

[tennis tom]

If the ump can't take the ribbing, get out of the chair, baby's feeling's hurt?

You sit in his chair and be dissed, bullied and shamed in front of the world, in one of the vilest specters in tennis history that will live in infamy, and let's see how you chuckle through it. the USTA umpires association should go out on strike and demand an apology from her highness and/or boycott working all her matches--let her make her own calls.