metsman
G.O.A.T.
yeah so if you want to say he's too sensitive, fine, don't bring up BernardesQuicker trigger. You don't say. This guy is too sensitive. Call him anything and he'll probably call the police on you.
yeah so if you want to say he's too sensitive, fine, don't bring up BernardesQuicker trigger. You don't say. This guy is too sensitive. Call him anything and he'll probably call the police on you.
Mine doesn't really either lol...My mom doesn’t follow tennis
As has become the case with most controversies, we have made it a choice between two extremes. Some say Serena did absolutely nothing wrong and is a hero for standing up to the chair umpire and calling him a thief.
The other side says takes joy in pointing out that the umpire acted within the rules and say that Serena deserved the consequences. There was absolutely nothing dubious about the chair's decision.
Clearly, the truth is in the middle of these extremes. Each warning against Serena was technically legitimate, and she should not have called the umpire a thief. On the other hand, it would have been best if the umpire had used a little discretion and not issued a game penalty. Thief is not such a vulgar term that he couldn't have chosen to withhold the penalty.
Serena was not blameless or heroic for yelling at the umpire, but that doesn't mean he made the best possible decision, either.
I agree with you about everything except of the fans part. They didnt boo Osaka their boos were directed at the Umpire, the USTA president, and The USO management...not Osaka.Patrick was attempting to coach Serena, probably deserved a warning. Patrick was wrong.
Serena over-reacted and breaking her racket was beneath her as was her temper tantrum after she received the penalty. Serena was wrong.
The umpire went over-the-top with the game penalty because Serena called him a thief. If you're that thin-skinned you have no right to be an umpire and much worse is said to umpires every day without any repercussions. Umpire was wrong.
Serena calling this sexism, is harmful to women. It minimizes what "sexism" actually is. There were two women on that court and for Serena to claim "sexism" is illogical and stupid. Serena was wrong.
The US Open fans that booed Osaka are idiots. Osaka played a brilliant game, she is a big part of the future of Women's tennis and she deserved cheers and a standing ovation. US Open fans were wrong.
I was about to write the same thing.Serena ruins Naomi’s moment, attempts to stop the bleeding of this pathetic mess she created, gets hailed a class act.
This is pathetic.
No she's notThe World against the True GOAT!!!
Your first two sentences would be true if all players knew that every umpire would officiate in the exact same way, but players do not know that, and so they are not true. For example, you can be pretty confident that umpires will continue not to dock Nadal serves for taking too long between points.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the hand gesture was not enough to warrant a coaching violation. Maybe if he was displaying suspicious gestures structurally over the course of the match, a coaching violation is definitely necessary. But here? Just a small, "come on" gesture. (or whatever he meant by it.. come forward? Dunno.)That's nothing. Has as much significance as a fist pump.
Is there anyone specifically that this weak little rant is directed at or are you just sitting on your porch in your underwear shaking your fist at the sky?No he did not. All she had to do was move on.She had her say about cheating he agreed with her and they could have moved on. He had no reason to apologize to her for calling her Coach out for coaching which he admitted to doing. Shut your hole
I've heard firsthand accounts. She's not a nice person.
And she still hasn’t been apologized to!She has a DAUGHTER
Why not. He's an official is he not?yeah so if you want to say he's too sensitive, fine, don't bring up Bernardes
Yeah. They were rooting for the familiar. The one in the ads. The one hollywood and madison avenue told them to like.To be fair, it's natural to root for the American there (despite Osaka also being raised in America.)
The booing at the ceremony is crossing the line.
As has become the case with most controversies, we have made it a choice between two extremes. Some say Serena did absolutely nothing wrong and is a hero for standing up to the chair umpire and calling him a thief.
The other side says takes joy in pointing out that the umpire acted within the rules and say that Serena deserved the consequences. There was absolutely nothing dubious about the chair's decision.
Clearly, the truth is in the middle of these extremes. Each warning against Serena was technically legitimate, and she should not have called the umpire a thief. On the other hand, it would have been best if the umpire had used a little discretion and not issued a game penalty. Thief is not such a vulgar term that he couldn't have chosen to withhold the penalty.
Serena was not blameless or heroic for yelling at the umpire, but that doesn't mean he made the best possible decision, either.
he said "I am an honest person and I was coaching" on the TV broadcast. Did you miss when they interviewed him? He 100% admitted to coaching. Serena also 100% broke her racket and 100% berate umpire and call umpire a "thief". All 3 violations were valid and Serena was only angry because Naomi was handing her butt to her.
I disagree. She's lucky he didn't kick her ass off the court!! AWFUL behavior from Serena!!!!As has become the case with most controversies, we have made it a choice between two extremes. Some say Serena did absolutely nothing wrong and is a hero for standing up to the chair umpire and calling him a thief.
The other side says takes joy in pointing out that the umpire acted within the rules and say that Serena deserved the consequences. There was absolutely nothing dubious about the chair's decision.
Clearly, the truth is in the middle of these extremes. Each warning against Serena was technically legitimate, and she should not have called the umpire a thief. On the other hand, it would have been best if the umpire had used a little discretion and not issued a game penalty. Thief is not such a vulgar term that he couldn't have chosen to withhold the penalty.
Serena was not blameless or heroic for yelling at the umpire, but that doesn't mean he made the best possible decision, either.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the hand gesture was not enough to warrant a coaching violation. Maybe if he was displaying suspicious gestures structurally over the course of the match, a coaching violation is definitely necessary. But here? Just a small, "come on" gesture. (or whatever he meant by it.. come forward? Dunno.)That's nothing. Has as much significance as a fist pump.
then why do we even have tournament Refrees ?? are they useless ?
He did not issue a game penalty just for thief. He issued a code violation because of Serena repeatedly mouthing off at him on changeovers, thief was just one thing she said. That code violation per the rules led to the game penalty. Either argue that umpires should ease off when issuing subsequent violations, or that he shouldn't have issued a violation for Serena repeatedly insulting him/mouthing off, not on one occasion, but multiple. Neither of those two arguments has much, if any, weight. The chair ump isn't really in the wrong here and you have to really build some bridges to think he is.As has become the case with most controversies, we have made it a choice between two extremes. Some say Serena did absolutely nothing wrong and is a hero for standing up to the chair umpire and calling him a thief.
The other side says takes joy in pointing out that the umpire acted within the rules and say that Serena deserved the consequences. There was absolutely nothing dubious about the chair's decision.
Clearly, the truth is in the middle of these extremes. Each warning against Serena was technically legitimate, and she should not have called the umpire a thief. On the other hand, it would have been best if the umpire had used a little discretion and not issued a game penalty. Thief is not such a vulgar term that he couldn't have chosen to withhold the penalty.
Serena was not blameless or heroic for yelling at the umpire, but that doesn't mean he made the best possible decision, either.
I will totally accept that. I turned off the TV when the match was over because I was a little sick at everything I just saw. I was basing the booing comments on what the posters here were saying, including one dude who was actually there and "reporting live".I agree with you about everything except of the fans part. They didnt boo Osaka their boos were directed at the Umpire, the USTA president, and The USO management...not Osaka.
Why are people surprised? She's always been rude to other players, racist even, and lacking class. This is a person who threatened an innocent lineswomen who makes 1/100000th of what she does with death, and she got a joke of a punishment.
I'm glad USTA had the balls to enforce the rules.
What was the commentary like, I'm sure Pam, Chris etc who are rabid Serena fans and always defend her and insult other players, were throwing fits?
Another great definition i found,
An SJW (social justice warrior) is a person who adheres to neo-Marxism. Their ideology can be summed up as a mix of Nazism and Communism, where they advocate for complete state control, abolishment of capitalism, and equality of outcome (Communism) as well as blaming every societal ill on successful demographics which they deem evil and "privileged" (Nazism). SJWs hate males, Europeans, east Asian (men), heterosexuals, and Jews (among others). They believe that these demographics should be forced to serve less successful demographics (such as blacks, muslims, and females), who they claim are oppressed.
Subsets of this group include feminism (a female supremacist group centered around hating men, who they believe to be oppressing them) and "black lives matter" (a black supremacist ground centered around hating white people, who they believe to be oppressing them).
Yes, and this is a player who has been cheated by officials before in this very tournament. So of course she's suspicious and sensitive about it.
Ramos probably achieved what his goal was today and the people on this board celebrating him are doing so because of their insane hatred for Serena Williams.
The people who actually love tennis are sad because tennis got lost in the drama today.
So you automatically go to sexism? How about there being different umpires? How about different situations? Nope it was definitely because Ramos hates women. You guys seem to imagine him up there plotting away at what he can do to women next. There were also other Serena matches where she’s gotten away with a hell of a lot btw.Oh, the memories are so short.
I seem to remember Andy Roddick berating lines people over calls. And I mean yelling at a lines person about whether they know what they're doing or should be there et cetera. Basically being a huge bully. That was one reason I never liked the guy.
Code violation? Nope. Roddick got away with a huge amount. So you have a man who is a crowd favorite and a woman who was a crowd favorite, and one gets a code violation and one doesn't.
it seems quite obvious and blatant to me. John Mcenroe to this day makes a career out of how horrible and insulting he was to officials. That was a long time ago, but it is not like anyone has decided to banish him from the sport. Instead it is his brand and he is celebrated for it.
And the brought up the Clijsters, and Stosur matches but they didnt say anything about the match when she played Capriati and the lines people along with the umpire kept calling Serena's shots out when they were clearly in.
Please tell me she didn't actually say this...
Yep, people are misguidedly calling out Serena as a victim instead of Ramos as a hero. If there's an issue with discrepancy, it's that other umpires aren't enforcing the rules and the blowback from this is just going to make it worse. Too many of the umpires don't want the criticism and just let the match proceed as rules are constantly violated. Some won't overrule because Hawkeye might make them look bad.All the coaches do this.
Lance took epo cuz all the cyclists do!
I am the goddess. And i am entitled. And i am twelve.
So what is neo-Marxism?
She has a DAUGHTER
Verbatim. She could have meant that no one wanted all the drama, but she seemed to be saying that the outcome everyone wanted was a Serena win.
Katrina looked like she would have preferred to be anywhere else rather than at the stadium handing the trophy to Naomi (who the USTA did not want to help fund).
The USTA saying that the chair umpire's decision is final....
They're saying that if you're going to call anyone racist, don't do it to us.
Neo-Marxism is the ideology of a social-justice warrior. Their ideology can be summed up as a mix of Nazism and Communism, where they advocate for complete state control, abolishment of capitalism, and equality of outcome (Communism) as well as blaming every societal ill on successful demographics which they deem evil and "privileged" (Nazism). Neo-Marxists hate males, Europeans, east Asian (men), heterosexuals, and Jews (among others). They believe that these demographics should be forced to serve less successful demographics (such as blacks, muslims, and females), who they claim are oppressed.
I mean, duh! Don't you know anything? This is Jordan Peterson 101.
If you can give me an example of a higher level of abuse, I'm with you 100%.Serena was verbally abusing that referee all day!! She's lucky he didn't kick her ass off the court!!
Back in the day, I called out @tennis_pro on creating a match thread before a winner had even been determined in the previous match (a regular practice of his, it turns out). His response was to call me a "social justice warrior."Neo-Marxism is the ideology of a social-justice warrior. Their ideology can be summed up as a mix of Nazism and Communism, where they advocate for complete state control, abolishment of capitalism, and equality of outcome (Communism) as well as blaming every societal ill on successful demographics which they deem evil and "privileged" (Nazism). Neo-Marxists hate males, Europeans, east Asian (men), heterosexuals, and Jews (among others). They believe that these demographics should be forced to serve less successful demographics (such as blacks, muslims, and females), who they claim are oppressed.
I mean, duh! Don't you know anything? This is Jordan Peterson 101.