Bukmeikara
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In order to protect her ego, Serena may launch an international scandal if that is to happen 
""You ****ty French, you blame me because I am american"
""You ****ty French, you blame me because I am american"
Serena Williams
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And she acts like this before her home crowd and officials, thinking she could do anything there, so week person.
isnt that pigism?
Mr.Lob
G.O.A.T.
The Washington Post is generally not considered a creditable news source. Sensationalistic news.
The rules are in place. Its not a rule some of the time and not others. Not open to interpretation....or shouldn't be I.M.O. Don't like a rule, take it off the books. Ramos was doing his job. The way he's always done it. No coaching during the match. The man meekly and passively listened to Serena rant for 10 minutes. Let her blow off some steam. Trying to calm her down by calmly explaining his reasoning. She didn't let up. While walking to serve, Serena basically called Ramos a cheater. Serena has only herself to blame...and her coach.
The rules are in place. Its not a rule some of the time and not others. Not open to interpretation....or shouldn't be I.M.O. Don't like a rule, take it off the books. Ramos was doing his job. The way he's always done it. No coaching during the match. The man meekly and passively listened to Serena rant for 10 minutes. Let her blow off some steam. Trying to calm her down by calmly explaining his reasoning. She didn't let up. While walking to serve, Serena basically called Ramos a cheater. Serena has only herself to blame...and her coach.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
"More experienced players always get advantages"
Is that something that you approve of, so that you comment on it as though as it should be normal and not paid attention to?
The umpire didn't "mess up the score". I don't know what match you were watching.
You remember the mess, because Serena was instrumental in that during and after the match, not because the umpire did what he did.
Upholding the rules and the integrity of the game is good. I thought that you had a better perspective than the one you here demonstrate.
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
How does it even make him a sexist? It's so odd. It's so cringrworthy and forced. She wants to portray herself as a voice for women's rights and she's looking for anywhere to cry about sexism even in situations like this where it doesn't make any sense and has people laughing at her.
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
How can that be she has a daughter????
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
So according to Patrick Mouratoglou (Serena's coach) this is what happened.
Carlos Ramos is Jody!
Spin machinery strikes again.
Carlos Ramos is Jody!
Spin machinery strikes again.
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MatsPhilander
Legend
Female players get a warning for coaching on a regular basis-of course they all claim they are blind & the coach is innocent, or that they weren't looking at the time-which begs the question as to why the coach should be waving their hands/arms at them in the first place if their charge is ignoring them. Other players after a grumble just get on with it however & don't incur two further violations-it is hardly the temperament of a champion to let it fester away & have two further outbursts. We can equate it to Cricket where in 2006 the Pakistan team conceded a test match after refusing to return after tea having been accused of ball tampering & docked four penalty runs, or more recently the Sri Lankan team doing something similar against the Windies. Or right back to 2001 when India created an almighty furore over ball-tampering & conduct during a test against South Africa when they were caught out.
It is an easy one to solve-coaches are there to coach people off the court, when they get on the court it is up to them & most certainly the supposed greatest female player ever should not need any assistance in a match. Just ban them from the stands-if they want to be there then they can watch it on the monitor backstage in the players families facilities etc. Serena is pushing herself as the voice of equality so she should be happy for the WTA players to abide by the same rules as the men at all events which would kill this argument dead-ATP rules currently stipulate: 'Players shall not receive coaching during a tournament match. Communications of any kind, audible or visible.
Elektra
Professional
Remember she had problems at the French Open early in her career which is why the French still have an icy relationship with her. I agree with you but her followers will still continue to see her as a victim whether they are in NYC, London or in the North Pole.
Keep in mind Serena is a media darling now, the media will try to spin whatever nonsense she does and frame it with an agenda. This not only in the US but all over.
Keep in mind Serena is a media darling now, the media will try to spin whatever nonsense she does and frame it with an agenda. This not only in the US but all over.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
When has a man called an umpire a thief? As a woman, I don't think Serena is fighting for me at all. At first, she denied that any coaching took place now that she's been proven to be wrong because there is evidence of it, she's put on her ultimate shield to fight for all women, especially those who have just had a baby. Any man who behaves like Serena did yesterday would get the same punishment.
MasterZeb
Hall of Fame
This is what really frustrates me. The casual reader will pick this up on the train ride to work in the morning and be horribly misinformed about what happened, and form a biased judgment upon it. Serena gets hailed as a hero. Carlos’ name gets tarnished. And ultimately, Tennis gets out in bad light seems like a disingenuous sport. Disgraceful journalism
Otacon
Hall of Fame
I've read hundreds of reactions in many languages from around the world, and what happened yesterday went beyond tennis, because the reaction of Serena, the crowd and the US media unable to express the slightest criticism vis-à-vis the player has shocked many people.
Tennis has a reputation for being a graceful and classy sport, but yesterday's events have shaken that positive image.
Tennis has a reputation for being a graceful and classy sport, but yesterday's events have shaken that positive image.
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
Petty politicized nonsense promoted by pack minded people who play the thesis and the antithesis Hegelian dialectic. Now it's Man vs Woman, the thesis and antithesis is always there to play on whilst the agitators can sit back and watch the carnage.
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Mainstream media have their head firmly up Serena's ass so this doesn’t surprise me.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Coaches sit where they do these days for the benefit of television even though this makes coaching and other forms of communication somewhat inevitable.
Players almost all look at their boxes to see if they should challenge although this too is cheating.
And as I said elsewhere, most of the people complaining about Williams would have reacted the same if accused of cheating.
Players almost all look at their boxes to see if they should challenge although this too is cheating.
And as I said elsewhere, most of the people complaining about Williams would have reacted the same if accused of cheating.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Laying blame on any one person is just totally bogus and not fair. It could have been handled better from both sides, period. The debate over whether other coaches coach and why coaching should be allowed is up for debate, but none of that should matter because Ramos called it like he saw it. Did he have to give her a warning for verbal abuse? Certainly not, and I've heard worse said to umpires with little to no punitive action taken, but Serena did keep berating him and demanding an apology as well. Clearly, both sides were at fault in this one and it's a shame that it had to end marred in controversy because this shouldn't be about Serena, it should be about Osaka. Osaka was the better player, she played the bigger points better, she served better, and she won. That's the story, and yet it's rather sad and disappointing that this incident puts a damper on her amazing run.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Not blaming him but I wish the umpire had let it go.
It's like the fourth quarter in the NBA. You let the players play and don't call a foul unless it is obvious.
"Thief" is borderline. Just let it go.
Also, maybe rule should be changed so that the referee has discretion to overrule such cases. Otherwise what is the point of bringing him out on the court?
It's like the fourth quarter in the NBA. You let the players play and don't call a foul unless it is obvious.
"Thief" is borderline. Just let it go.
Also, maybe rule should be changed so that the referee has discretion to overrule such cases. Otherwise what is the point of bringing him out on the court?
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Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
To be honest, I'll be glad when this US Open is over because her commercials and the ad nauseum baby talk and how she's a mom were making me want to blow my brains out. They kept droning on and on and on about that...
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No.
Serena needs to follow the rules and stop being a drama queen. That’s what needs to happen.
They need to re-write all the rules to Serena favor.
ojo rojo
Legend
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Although I agree with this, I don't think Williams would have let it go.
But he should have soaked up a little more lip and then acted.
Ramos also might have acted too quickly with the coaching violation as well.
I prefer the Lahyani style of umpiring, to quote the opposite end of the spectrum.
But he should have soaked up a little more lip and then acted.
Ramos also might have acted too quickly with the coaching violation as well.
I prefer the Lahyani style of umpiring, to quote the opposite end of the spectrum.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
If Patrick is saying that everyone does it and they coach on nearly all the points, then it makes no sense for Serena to go ballistic like that.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's a vague rule subject to wide discretionary interpretation, so why not re-look at it?
The rule has never worked well and coaching from the stands appears to be a reasonably normal event.
The rule has never worked well and coaching from the stands appears to be a reasonably normal event.
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Tennis_Hands
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How about re-writing the rules for unsporsmanlike conduct, equipment abuse, verbal offences?
I suggest that we turn tennis into a full - contact sport with raquets.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
LOL,,,,,,,,, RAFA did the Same thing multiple times with another umpire..... What about him then ? Rafa didnt' get a warning or point penalty for doing that.
Yup, no one dares call out Rafa for sooo many million time violations. Rafa and Serena. Two of a kind.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
The article has thousands of comments.
I can't believe the Washington Post is turning this into a women's rights issue.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
That rather foolish individual took the strategy of arguing that if everyone does it then I can do it.
Williams says this is not the case, so expect some interesting conversations in her camp.
Williams says this is not the case, so expect some interesting conversations in her camp.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Ramos should sue for defamation. Incredible.
MarcusInKensington
Hall of Fame
Maybe, but not in Serena's case.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You're always good for a vast array of argumentative error.
Rules in tennis could do with a lot more clarification than they currently get.
Just look how long it took them to deal with time-wasting on serves!
And still the first penalty is a mere warning!
Rules in tennis could do with a lot more clarification than they currently get.
Just look how long it took them to deal with time-wasting on serves!
And still the first penalty is a mere warning!
How about re-writing the rules for unsporsmanlike conduct, equipment abuse, verbal offences?
I suggest that we turn tennis into a full - contact sport with raquets.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
It's spin, alright. 2646 RPM.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
It did look like Serena was intentionally looking for a game penalty due to frustration of losing and to take away the attention from Osaka.
Shameful.
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Roddick knows how Serena feels.
MarcusInKensington
Hall of Fame
The trouble is, Serena thinks she can get away with it in NYC, and the USA as a whole. Nowhere else would tolerate her childishness.
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