Serena's ankle/leg?

Looks like Serena's ankle/leg injury is getting to her? She's hardly moving in the Makarova match, barely exploding into her serves.

Or maybe it's just one of those days for her?
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I think it's just frustration and the fact that she doesn't know where Makarova is going with her shots. I'm sure the foot affects here slightly, but not enough to explain her sloppy movement.

Makarova has come to play and she's in Serena's head. Plus, Serena isn't serving well, so she can't get free points easily to get back on track.

If she wants to, Serena can be contending for Slams for year to come. But, she'll have to stop coming into Slams without hardly playing. She doesn't have to play a full schedule and a huge number of pre-Slam events, but certainly better match prep than now.
 

Defcon

Hall of Fame
It's not the leg, it's her brain. She thinks she can waltz into slams looking like a fat cow, intimidate and blast her way past. Thing his her game isn't that big anymore and all she can do is make excuses.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Serena looked like there was something wrong with her. I don't believe it was her ankle. When she puts a ton of tape around a certain body part, it usually means there is another problem she is taking attention away from. No racket acceleration, no movement, no energy. Maybe a sickness or something like a stomach muscle pull where any movement would cause a problem. I said at the US Open that she would fall apart at the end because one can't get to full strength after the problems she had with the surgery and blood clots, etc. I'd be a little surprised if that is still the case. It would be for a normal person, but for an elite athlete who has access to all the trainers, etc. she has I would think she would be well by now.
 

PSNELKE

Legend
actually, makarova is simply kicking her ***. Lets give credit where it is due.
Well true that makarova did play great.
But 38 UEs and 7 Double Faults from Serena reveal something as well.
Not saying that she´s injured, she simply played pathetic unlike Makaraova who was on fire.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Looks like Serena's ankle/leg injury is getting to her? She's hardly moving in the Makarova match, barely exploding into her serves.

Or maybe it's just one of those days for her?
Serena dominated the 3 previous matches and it looks like she's going to win the AO. Now that she's eliminated the injury excuse comes out. Sound just like Nadal after a loss.
 
Well true that makarova did play great.
But 38 UEs and 7 Double Faults from Serena reveal something as well.
Not saying that she´s injured, she simply played pathetic unlike Makaraova who was on fire.
Indeed, it reveals that contrary to what her ego is telling her, Serena cannot continually come into tournaments unprepared and "play her way" into form. What I do find pathetic is the commentators on ESPN already making excuses for her (even before we heard her own typical arrogant, flippant excuses during her press conference).
 

baseliner

Professional
I was so thrilled with Serena's new maturity. In the after the match press conference she credited her opponent for playing well instead of making excuses. Oh no, Wait! HER LOSS WAS ALL HER OWN FAULT FOR HAVING AN INJURY! Same ole Serena.
 

wings56

Hall of Fame
what is more troubling than serena making excuses is simply the fact that we were forced to watch HER play instead of watching the battle between nishikori and tsonga!
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Makarova simply outplayed her. Serena looks finished, her movement is suspect, although she is super fit. You have to wonder if she will ever be able to improve her movement, she looks slow and lumbering.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Uhm, have morons forgotten...

Serena just came off of major surgery on her foot and a pulmonary embolism and hematoma, not too long ago!

Her results have been pretty spectacular considering...
which is only because of her excellent serve and mental toughness.

No one in their right mind thought she was going to win this tournamnet given her injuries! Even Chris Everett got that right!
 

cknobman

Legend
Injured or not Serena looked slow and lifeless out there. She was very flat footed and late on getting to the ball for most of the match.

Makarova played great which just made it look all the worse.
 

adidasman

Professional
Uhm, have morons forgotten...

Serena just came off of major surgery on her foot and a pulmonary embolism and hematoma, not too long ago!

Her results have been pretty spectacular considering...
which is only because of her excellent serve and mental toughness.

No one in their right mind thought she was going to win this tournamnet given her injuries! Even Chris Everett got that right!
I guarantee you Serena thought she'd win. She always does. She could have gotten away with being out of match shape and hurt a few years ago - not any more. Nice of you to offer up a few lame excuses for her, though.

Oh, and it's "Evert." "Chris Evert." New to tennis, eh?
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I guarantee you Serena thought she'd win. She always does. She could have gotten away with being out of match shape and hurt a few years ago - not any more. Nice of you to offer up a few lame excuses for her, though.

Oh, and it's "Evert." "Chris Evert." New to tennis, eh?
Another spelling and grammar queen! You knew who i was talking about, (sorry but I don’t have Chris Evert posters from the 70’s on my bedroom wall like you do)...

And I don't care what Serena thought! Mental toughness in tennis often involves delusion of grandeur about one's self, which wins players plenty of matches -- particularly Serena.

If your judgment is too clouded by hate to realize that Serena was injured and not playing near her best, then so be it -- thats your prerogative!

Really doesn't change anything, she lost, but don't ignore the obvious!
 

adidasman

Professional
Another spelling and grammar queen! You knew who i was talking about, (sorry but I don’t have Chris Evert posters from the 70’s on my bedroom wall like you do)...

And I don't care what Serena thought! Mental toughness in tennis often involves delusion of grandeur about one's self, which wins players plenty of matches -- particularly Serena.

If your judgment is too clouded by hate to realize that Serena was injured and not playing near her best, then so be it -- thats your prerogative!

Really doesn't change anything, she lost, but don't ignore the obvious!
Yeah, of course - people who prefer accuracy in spelling and punctuation are "queens." And people who find Serena Williams grating and unsportsmanlike are "haters." Nice of you to tuck us all into your little pre-ordained boxes, sir/madam. Last time I checked, though, the term "no one" means...ummmm...no one. Again, I'm being a queen, aren't I? Silly me.
 

adidasman

Professional
Correct me if I'm wrong, but she did reach the US Open final last year, didn't she? After the surgery and hematoma issues you use as justification for her humiliating loss today? Just checking.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but she did reach the US Open final last year, didn't she? After the surgery and hematoma issues you use as justification for her humiliating loss today? Just checking.
Again, your hate comes through! Why must it be a 'humiliating loss'???

She lost, she wasn't playing near her best, she has an injury, period point blank!

Congrats to her opponent, she clearly has skills, many Rd of 16 players in the WTA would have 'let' Serena win, even given her condition!
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
naaaaa, no injury, same old same old from media. Last year during the US Open final I think I counted a record number of excuses made by the people in the booth (can't remember who it was) during the match. As soon as Sam started whipping her, "something wasn't right with her". Never fails. I really felt bad for Sam and embarrawwed by the coverage (as an American). Of course she does it as well (always has) but I really hate to hear the American commentators doing it so much. Then, after she loses at the Aus Open she goes into presser and actaly like she is on a seditive...very slow to answer, guarded...soft spoken..and of course, as soo as the MEDIA mentions her health she says she "doesnt like to talk about it becasue it takes credit away from opponant" and then proceeds to refer to it. Same ol same ol. And you will get more of it until she retires as she loses more.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Correct me if I'm wrong, but she did reach the US Open final last year, didn't she? After the surgery and hematoma issues you use as justification for her humiliating loss today? Just checking.
I'm not a Serena fan, but from my personal experiences plus my interest in such things, I predicted that at some point Serena would fall apart physically at the US Open in the later rounds. It takes a long time (usually at least over a year) for the body to fully recover its stamina after such events. Yes, the surgery and hematoma were a factor in her loss at the US Open. (The biggest reason, of course, was the way Stosur played and held it together mentally to keep playing that way - she was the best in the world that day).
There could still be lingering effects of this as the cause of her listlessness, but I would think as a world class athlete with all the training and medical attention she desires, she would be over this by now. Of course, if she hasn't been taking good care of herself the stamina to play multiple matches over a week or two might still not be there. Could have been a sickness or something else, but an ankle injury wouldn't have resulted in her playing this way.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but she did reach the US Open final last year, didn't she? After the surgery and hematoma issues you use as justification for her humiliating loss today? Just checking.
I think on faster courts she can hide her lack of conditioning better. she said herself she doesn't really care for tennis anymore but enjoys being a celebrity.

I think she should retire if she cannot beat that pathetic WTA tour anymore. I think she is done winning majors.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Again, your hate comes through! Why must it be a 'humiliating loss'???

She lost, she wasn't playing near her best, she has an injury, period point blank!

Congrats to her opponent, she clearly has skills, many Rd of 16 players in the WTA would have 'let' Serena win, even given her condition!

You see?
This is exactly what Nadal fans say after his loss. It's nothing new.

Serena was a US Open finalist, cruises her way into the 4th round without a sweat. Now that she lost, her fans are making excuses to discredit Maka's win, and pretend to downplay her chance of winning this event.

The tone of their voice have completely changed.
 

egn

Hall of Fame
Well true that makarova did play great.
But 38 UEs and 7 Double Faults from Serena reveal something as well.
Not saying that she´s injured, she simply played pathetic unlike Makaraova who was on fire.
I'm going to have to agree here in some aspects. First of all to all the people who are saying Makarova is some young gun, shes 23, she is not part of the new 'generation'.

Second it's very nice to see Serena out here in the states cause that means I can watch some men's matches, but Serena was off. Not to take credit from makarova, but she did not play "great". She didn't even come out even on the winners/errors mark. I can't recall the last time in a two set match I saw Serena Williams hit that many errors. The sluggish movements wasn't even the worse in my opinion, but the second serve was lacking control and placement, the timing and mechanics on the groundstrokes was all off. No offense almost any WTA player in the top 50 was beating Serena yesterday. Serena says it's not her ankle, so I'm going to go with that, but as she said in the interview she hit 37 errors. A lot of errors that were very unlike her. So yea TT lets cruicfy me, but please I'm sick of hearing Makarova played great. Unless we really have given up our standards on the wta and can say hitting 18 winners and having 19 errors is great. If thats the case then I'm done with the WTA, because at that case Kvitova's match against Ivanovic may have just been the greatest display of talent all time, after all she was +7 on the winners.

Also we've learned that Serena needs to being playing good to win, as she no longer has the stamina to tough it out in the long runs.
 
Looks like Serena's ankle/leg injury is getting to her? She's hardly moving in the Makarova match, barely exploding into her serves.

Or maybe it's just one of those days for her?
No, I think it was mostly the head up her keister that was the issue. Why the heck do we have to suffer watching her when the Tsonga-Kei match was on ???
 

egn

Hall of Fame
No, I think it was mostly the head up her keister that was the issue. Why the heck do we have to suffer watching her when the Tsonga-Kei match was on ???
Personally the Tsonga-Kei match wasn't too exciting, unless you like watching Tsonga hit forehands into the stands...
 

adidasman

Professional
I'm not a Serena fan, but from my personal experiences plus my interest in such things, I predicted that at some point Serena would fall apart physically at the US Open in the later rounds. It takes a long time (usually at least over a year) for the body to fully recover its stamina after such events. Yes, the surgery and hematoma were a factor in her loss at the US Open. (The biggest reason, of course, was the way Stosur played and held it together mentally to keep playing that way - she was the best in the world that day).
There could still be lingering effects of this as the cause of her listlessness, but I would think as a world class athlete with all the training and medical attention she desires, she would be over this by now. Of course, if she hasn't been taking good care of herself the stamina to play multiple matches over a week or two might still not be there. Could have been a sickness or something else, but an ankle injury wouldn't have resulted in her playing this way.
My point was that she reached the final, which would seem to suggest she was OK physically. Unlike her fourth round loss in Melbourne four months later, during which she was, according to her cheering section here, suffering from the lingering effects of her surgery and her hematoma from almost a year ago. I guess it was a delayed reaction, eh? The truth is that her age is going to keep her from rebounding as she's done in the past - it's inevitable. It'll also keep her from getting away with not being match-ready. Finally, her aura of invincibility is fading rapidly. Basically, she's done. She might pull herself together for a few days here and there, but she's no longer the favorite in any tournament she enters. That's just the truth.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
something may have been wrong with her - ankle, lack of practice, etc.. but i also think when someone can challenge her on court shes not used to it and she can panic and that can throw her game off too, kind of like mike tyson in his holyfield fight..

it also seems like more players can match her power with these polyester strings, if there were no polyester maybe the williams would still be #1 & #2 in the world
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Remember, being injured goes hand in hand with being out of shape. You cannot play and train while injured.
And all injuries can have good and bad days. She can run and move great one day, then barely limp around the next. She chooses not to expose any weaknesses, so would NOT limp.
Yes, she always blames her injuries rather than praise her opponents. Maybe that's the thought process needed FOR HER, to maintain a high level of play.
 
Considering there was SO MUCH wrong with Serena's game (serve, inconsistency, mental, etc.), the questionable ankle injury could not be the sole culprit. Serena recently revealed that she doesn't love tennis and doesn't like sports, its likely a lack of motivation of an aging athlete.

Serena Williams proved in this match that she no longer wants to play professional tennis. Her decline at the majors began in September 2011. At the age of 30, her fans shouldn't expect a great deal from her going forward either.

Its really nice to see the younger players step-up and take the old fossil dinosaurs out. Its what makes the sport of tennis interesting and regenerate.

Out with the old. In with the new.


Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
Who's Your Momma?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
MM...
Possibly a huge contributing factor to all of Serena's problems stem from the injury? Think...if you can't run, cant push off, can't change directions, can't plant, wouldn't that affect your tennis? And having several "can't", won't that affect your mental outlook on tennis?
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Uhm, have morons forgotten...

Serena just came off of major surgery on her foot and a pulmonary embolism and hematoma, not too long ago!

Her results have been pretty spectacular considering...
which is only because of her excellent serve and mental toughness.

No one in their right mind thought she was going to win this tournamnet given her injuries! Even Chris Everett got that right!
Yeah, injures, age, wear and tear etc. are catching up with Serena. I thought she'd last longer to be honest with her very light schedule over the years(mostly just peaked for slams), but we'll see what the rest of the year brings.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Lots of wear and tear the way Serena and Venus play. And when you're carrying around about 170 lbs., and you're 5'9", it's a load. She can almost play inside linebacker for pro football, given her size and movement.
 
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