Sergetti Stringing - WOW!

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Is there a method to max dt measurements along the stringbed?
Choose a really high tension but not 86 because there will be strings that will go over the max. You might try 75+

EDIT: Also if you choose hybrid strings will Kevlar mains it could all be thrown out of kilter

EDIT: Also you're going to find the higher tensions in the cross string not the mains. I doubt Sergetti Stringing is going to be you cup of tea but who knows?
 
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1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Is there a method to max dt measurements along the stringbed?
Not sure If this was mentioned yet
so this method is higher on the longer center strings, and gradually lower as you go out to the edges og the frame,,,,
thinking out of the box here (im not trying on my rakets, not my cup of tea,,,), to adress your question, why not start lower on center mains, and increase tension as you go out ,,, that "should", give you a higher dinamic tension,,,
just a tought,,,
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
Illogical! The Shroud's constraint is the max reference tension on the tensioner. By lowering center mains, the DT would be lowered. My speculation is that decreasing outside main strings will lead to a high differential or gradient between center and the outside main. The string might have a more springing center and small "sweet spot" and dead everywhere else. Again just my theory.
 

schenkelini

Semi-Pro
I purchase a sheet last week for my Vortex Pro116. I have read several threads about the Serengeti method and decided to order 2 pounds tighter than my normal tension due to so many people saying their rackets felt softer strung with the
Serengeti method. It feels perfect and I do really like it. I am finding that I am hitting the ball out a lot less. I have only played twice so far with the new string job, but I see myself sticking with it. It is not a night and day difference, but at the same time very noticeable.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I purchase a sheet last week for my Vortex Pro116. I have read several threads about the Serengeti method and decided to order 2 pounds tighter than my normal tension due to so many people saying their rackets felt softer strung with the
Serengeti method. It feels perfect and I do really like it. I am finding that I am hitting the ball out a lot less. I have only played twice so far with the new string job, but I see myself sticking with it. It is not a night and day difference, but at the same time very noticeable.
You do realize the Serengeti is a geographic region in Africa and not a stringing method?
 

Issle

New User
Hi quick question here.

I have a Yonex Ezone DR98 Lite. I use Yonnex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 at 22/21kg. I purchased a sergetti sheet for that specs and it seems a bit odd that the it tells me to string the crosses at the center at around ... 25 kg while the center main is about 22 kg ? Does that really feel right to have a cross at the center way higher in tension than the main even if the input confugration was 22/21kg ?
 

Tordne

Semi-Pro
Yup, absolutely. That higher tension on the crosses is going to pull the frame in, which in turn increases the tension on those mains originally pulled at 22kg. It’s all calculated to normalise at the end of stringing with a more uniform stringbed.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
Does anyone use Stringmeter here that took reading of their main strings before installing the cross?

I am curious about the tension distribution from center to side mains.

If I can know what kind of tension distribution need to be, there is a way to "walk" or fine tune the tension across by pressing down on the strings from 2nd center to the side mains, to achieve something similar.
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
Yup, absolutely. That higher tension on the crosses is going to pull the frame in, which in turn increases the tension on those mains originally pulled at 22kg. It’s all calculated to normalise at the end of stringing with a more uniform stringbed.
The weaving of crosses through mains will increase the tension of the mains also.
 

Tordne

Semi-Pro
Just wanted to drop a quick note in here to mention that there is a massive sale on Sergetti Tension Sheets through to the end of the year. 30% off the normal price!!! If you've been sitting on the fence there is no better time to give this a try.
 

PeteD

Legend
I noticed today that Sergetti has only one pro endorsing: Marcus Willis . . . what explains that?
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I don't get. Does Sergetti or any other proportional stringing for that matter work on a Prince ported racquet like the Prince Tour 100 18x20?
 

ttc2000

Rookie
Just wanted to drop a quick note in here to mention that there is a massive sale on Sergetti Tension Sheets through to the end of the year. 30% off the normal price!!! If you've been sitting on the fence there is no better time to give this a try.
I've bought my 3rd tension sheet.

May go for a 4th as well, but will decide near the end of the month.

Sent from my LYA-L29 using Tapatalk
 

AndI

Rookie
I noticed today that Sergetti has only one pro endorsing: Marcus Willis . . . what explains that?
Maybe pros at that level developed such high level of perfection and precision in their swing that that can get away with a dime-sized sweet spot? Or maybe because they do not want to change what ain't broke for them?
For me, pretty much everything feels broke, so I do not mind a little help from the racquet :)
 

MysteryMan

New User
I know this thread has not been active for a while now, but, I found it very interesting!

I have downloaded the spreadsheet posted by Irvin, but, cannot work out what to do with it! Can someone who has used it please post a a few instructions to get me started, please?

Thanks

*Update* I have sorted it out, now!
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@MysteryMan sorry you were confused about it.

EDIT: With the original JET method it was suggested you use a Stringmeter to adjust tension on strings. If you find you have tension you really don’t like or you want to fine tune the tensions you may benefit from the Stringmeter too. I’ve been doing that with tie off locations later using different strings and methods and it’s quite interesting.
 

MysteryMan

New User
@MysteryMan sorry you were confused about it.

EDIT: With the original JET method it was suggested you use a Stringmeter to adjust tension on strings. If you find you have tension you really don’t like or you want to fine tune the tensions you may benefit from the Stringmeter too. I’ve been doing that with tie off locations later using different strings and methods and it’s quite interesting.
Thanks....I have an ERT3000 to measure DT value and I guess you can do similar with that.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
Stringmeter vs ERT3000

The way I use SM is to see what pulled each tension does on each individual string. I think ERT3000 reads DT on a spot, i.e. intersection which is the result of both strings.

For example, after stringing all the main strings, either tied off or not, SM can be used to check the tension on the 16 or 18 strings. From JET, I could get very even numbers across. I used the spreadsheet and strung a PK BlackAce 1 pcs. SM DOES shows decreasing number toward the side. And I remember that it hit extremely well. Humm.. I have been too lazy to mess w the spreadsheet, perhaps I should try something like just do -3, -5, -7 on the main 4, 5 and 6.

Ok, I will share first.
Pulled tension: 1pc (It was a long and messy process because I was reinventing a ATW pattern to string top-down. I believED the myth of stringing top down practice.)
Main 47, 47, 47. 45 43 40. 35 25?
Cross 29 33 36 38 40 42 43 43 44 cascade down.

SM;
M:20 22 34 38 38 40 39 40 ! 41 43 42 39 36 35 29 22
X: 17 24 24 22 24 25 26 27 26 27 28 25 29 27 28 25 25 25 18

Irvin: if you have a SM, does your numbers look like these?
 
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tennisbike

Semi-Pro
One question for user of the ordered sheet or proportional stringing: How is the longevity or how well the the feel of the string bed last compare to conventionally strung or JET/JAYCee method?
 

MysteryMan

New User
One question for user of the ordered sheet or proportional stringing: How is the longevity or how well the the feel of the string bed last compare to conventionally strung or JET/JAYCee method?
Can you point me in the direction of the JET/JAYCee method, please? Is this different to the one posted by Irvin?
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
Can you point me in the direction of the JET/JAYCee method, please? Is this different to the one posted by Irvin?
No idea if Irvin posted something different. Please be clear about your question, paraphrase and include all your references on each individual post. I found the Blog on Gut and Glory for both JET and Jaycee. Again search is your friend. When I was starting I spent a lot of time reading those blogs and the comments to understand or simply follow the steps. I think Parnell is the person originated those at around 2012, and GnG went from one to another to promote in the industry both a string maker and the method. People do not talk about these any more. I connect it and consider it as sort of a middle point to proportional stringing, just my personal opinion. I have been almost exclusively stringing with JET inspired way on the mains, and I have been satisfied with the fairly even SM readings across the mains. As much as I loved the PK I strung with spreadsheet, I am too lazy to go through the process every time since I play with multiple sticks and has not locked into one stick. I ought to try proportional again to compare with JET on the same stick and see if I can tell the difference and how much, and for how long.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
What myth?
Off Topic: But .. Stringing top down is a general practice that is a passed down but not necessary. I would like to know the science behind that. Until I understand the reason, I categorize it as a belief, myth or simply arbitrary, almost like driving on right or left side of the road, or we shake hands with our right hands.
 
Off Topic: But .. Stringing top down is a general practice that is a passed down but not necessary. I would like to know the science behind that. Until I understand the reason, I categorize it as a belief, myth or simply arbitrary, almost like driving on right or left side of the road, or we shake hands with our right hands.
@tennisbike
If you trust the stringmeter, then you're on the wrong track - that thing is useless for nothing. Just how I can "force" the feather to indicate the "right" value is basically a joke.
Actually, the thing in your headline is called ERT 300.
For my terms this is also a treasure trove. If you have a hybrid with gut string, the thing will give you fantasy numbers.
I haven't seen many posts from you yet - sorry for that - but assume that you haven't stringed long yet.
In any case, when a tennis racket is strung from top to bottom, the forces of the compression at the frame are absorbed better by the racket heart than when I string from bottom to top, especially since these forces are then derived at the shoulder of the frame, where many holes (predetermined breaking points) pass through the frame.
I don't even need to have studied for this insight - this is what normal common sense explains.
 

Dragan

Semi-Pro
In theory, the pressure on a racket increases and moves in the direction of the stringing. That's why it's "healthier" to stringing crosses from top to bottom (to redirect the peak of the pressure towards the throat of the racquet, where the frame is structurally the strongest).

I know few people who always string their own racquets one-piece, bottom-up, although they told me they are aware that it is not a recommended practice. It's because they use relatively low tensions (~20kg) and never had any issues with bottom-up stringing.

Also, if you read Wilson's stringing instructions, you can frequently find these instructions for one-piece stringing:



On the other hand, you can also read that some of the forum members broke their own racquets while stringing bottom-up, so it's up to you whether you call this a myth or not :)
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
... you can also read that some of the forum members broke their own racquets while stringing bottom-up, so it's up to you whether you call this a myth or not :)
Still off topic on Sergetti-stringing..
After a couple of search, and scanning a few thread, I did not see spot any broken racket from stringing.. Appreciate if you point them out to me. I love to see them.

FYI, I will respond when I have something to add or have more questions. Please do not mind if I do not.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks....I have an ERT3000 to measure DT value and I guess you can do similar with that.
No the ERT works on the stringbed not individual strings. If you’re comparing individual strings you can string all the mains and with a Stringmeter check the force required to distort each string and compare like main on the left and right. But after stringing all the mains the racket will have been distorted and the center mains will have the lowest tension. After stringing the racket’s crosses you can check the mains and see how the proportional stringing worked for you.
 
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max

Legend
I wouldn't want to go bottom up. Looking at the spreadsheet, etc., I think it's unnecesary fussiness. Just string it lower.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
I have a money question, plz direct me to the page if this question was asked before,,

if you were asked to string a racquet for someone using the JET/JAYCEE or the SERGETTI method, how much more (from your usual fee of stringing), would you charge them?? (because this up/down tension changes are a PITA!!)
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I have a money question, plz direct me to the page if this question was asked before,,

if you were asked to string a racquet for someone using the JET/JAYCEE or the SERGETTI method, how much more (from your usual fee of stringing), would you charge them?? (because this up/down tension changes are a PITA!!)
The JET method is pretty easy so I would not charge any more. Sergetti you’re on your own.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I have a money question, plz direct me to the page if this question was asked before,,

if you were asked to string a racquet for someone using the JET/JAYCEE or the SERGETTI method, how much more (from your usual fee of stringing), would you charge them?? (because this up/down tension changes are a PITA!!)
For Sergetti:
If electronic, $10 more
If crank, $15 more
If DW, $100 more :)
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
this up/down tension changes are a PITA!!)
Errgg... tell me about it.

I was stringing my Prince MC LB with Isospeed Baseline 130 with 35/35 lb proportional. It was 31, 32 34 34 35 x 6.. but my note is only shows half way to 1~10 not 1~19. I only did 35x3 ...
And afterward checking with SM, the differential from center to edge was less than 10 lbs. I definitely need to increase the parameter to increase the differential.

From looking at my note of the two proportional string job, I like the PK BlackAce on SG but did not like the SG/Poly one on Warrior OS.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Probably enough to ensure they would take their business elsewhere. ;)
Amen, brother! Johnny Unitas once broke into a late game strategy session when he was with the Chargers. The participants were waxing eloquently about what needed to happen to win. Unitas said "JJ, just catch the damn ball and score so we can go home" which is precisely what they did. If I could paraphrase Johnny U

Just pull the damn string and tie it off.
 
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