Serve and Volley

Hello, I am in the search for a new racket one that will fit a serve and volley playing style. If this matters I am 6'2" 190lbs. I am a junior in highschool and i want a racket with good control. I just want some suggestions for rackets to demo.
 
Hello, I am in the search for a new racket one that will fit a serve and volley playing style. If this matters I am 6'2" 190lbs. I am a junior in highschool and i want a racket with good control. I just want some suggestions for rackets to demo.

If you can find them, Donnay Pro One International MP and the Prince TT Warrior MP. Any smaller headed (<100 sq in head) and tighter patterned racquet will be your best friend.
 
The babolat pure storm gt ltd is a great serve and volley stick. Definitely worth a demo. Surprisingly the PD Roddick Gt is a nice stick at the net too. Great weight and the standard is very maneuverable. Also great for serves where the storm kind of lacks. The k90 or the blx90 are also worth a look. You won't get better control and feel than with those.
 
I personally didn't like the Donnay Pro One and Pure Storm, they were way too underpowered. The Pure Storm felt like it got pushed around a little. Try the Yonex RDS 002 Tour, its a beast at serving and rock solid at the net, VERY stable.
 
Vantage 95

plays like my kps 88, solid, stable, great S&V, better groundstrokes, easier to use. Old skool feel. foam filled, choose your own spec.
 
Vantage 95

plays like my kps 88, solid, stable, great S&V, better groundstrokes, easier to use. Old skool feel. foam filled, choose your own spec.

I didn't know you switched to the Vantage 95. Not trying to hijack the thread, but how's the low tensions working for you?
 
What's the key of getting nice drop and touch shots near the net with a head of 100 at low tension (56>)? Just wondering if I can improve my serve without losing my netgame possibilities...
 
I am a serve and volleyer myself. You want a stick that has some good mass, but a headlight balance. Try demoing the new Youtek Prestige Mid. Reviews say it plays like the PC600, which is what I use. Excellent control, maneuverability, and touch. Also hits monster flat serves.
 
Actually, you are very correct in saying this. I don't think I have ever went below 55 lbs. actually! However, I am open to anything, except trading my 002 Tours! ;)

You should definitely try it out! You'd be surprised how plush feeling low tensioned full poly is. :-)
 
In its time I loved the Donnay Pro One very much, even to the extent to start a club for it, but honestly, it is not what I would consider a good S and V stick.

For S and V you need something that is firm at net. For me that eliminates all the too flexy racquets, although I love flexy from the baseline. I am talking about racquets like the PC600, which serves great, and is also great for touch shots, but too noodly for volleys you want to pluck out of the air standing at the service line.

Some suggestions would be: Volkl VE mid, Dunlop HM 200g (both discontinued but having that elusive flexy yet firm feel at net); and for recent racquets the K90.

Although I haven't tried the following racquets, I imagine they perform quite well for S and V: Volkl PB mid, Prestige mid (microgel or youtek).
 
OK I just talked to a friend of mine and he can get me some babolats for cheap so i was think what babolat rackets do you guy reccomend?

Pure Drives and Aeros suck for volleys. Serves are good but volleys are trash. Your best bet is to try the pure storm limited, the other two aren't that good. I didn't like the pure storm at all for s&v but maybe you're different.
 
The KPS88 is one of my favorite S&V racquets, it's so incredibly stable, if you are strong enough to get the racquet moving, you can create a really heavy serve and the racquet can do all the work on the volley, creating sharp angles or slamming the volley into corners. But it's very demanding, the K90 or the BLX90 are similar racquets but they're lighter and more maneuverable.

The Wilson 6.1 95's are good s&v sticks too, I used the k6.1 95 16x18 and liked it because it had great feel. The Head Prestige is also a really great frame, I've used the Head Microgel Prestige MP and really enjoyed it, but then I found a Head Prestige Classic 600 and after hitting with that I can't even touch my microgel's anymore, they really lack the stability of the classic and I finally understand why Granville on the TW reviews didn't like MG's.

The Head Prestige Classic 600 is tied with the KPS88 with my favorite S&V stick, they're quite different but the important things are there, stability, plow through, control and feel. That's what makes a good S&V stick imo, the prestige is alot more smooth and buttery compared to the KPS88, but they're both awesome sticks.

I've s&v'd successfully with open and dense string patterns, they both have their benefits, but I really love a heavy midsized frame when volleying, because those two characteristics combine to provide incredible stability and feel. If you play with spin and like a crisp response, the KPS or 6.1 tour90 are best for you, if you're a flatter hitter and like a smooth buttery feel then definitely go for a Head Prestige Mid. I really really recommend trying to find a Classic 600, but they're really hard to find, I think if you added weight to the head of one of the current prestige mids, you could get a similar response but the MG prestige isn't as stable as the classic. :-D
 
I personally didn't like the Donnay Pro One and Pure Storm, they were way too underpowered. The Pure Storm felt like it got pushed around a little. Try the Yonex RDS 002 Tour, its a beast at serving and rock solid at the net, VERY stable.

+1 Yonex RDS 002 TOUR
 
I personally didn't like the Donnay Pro One and Pure Storm, they were way too underpowered. The Pure Storm felt like it got pushed around a little.

PURE STORM.....

You Never tried BABOLAT VS TEAM NATTY GUT and a good CoPoly in this racquet, I guess ;)

You don't get pushed around with VS TEAM Natty GUT in a control racquet.....
 
OK I just talked to a friend of mine and he can get me some babolats for cheap so i was think what babolat rackets do you guy reccomend?
If price matters, get ready to be happy. The Prince TT Warrior has reappeared at TW for $70. The 97 is legendary as a S&V stick, but check out what the TW review says about the 107, too.
 
PURE STORM.....

You Never tried BABOLAT VS TEAM NATTY GUT and a good CoPoly in this racquet, I guess ;)

You don't get pushed around with VS TEAM Natty GUT in a control racquet.....

No I have not. But last time I checked strings do nothing for a racquets stability! :oops: I know what you meant though.:)
 
im buying some pure storm LTDs

The pure storms are lovely rackets but and its a big BUT imo they are hollow and tinny. Good all round rackets if you are used to hitting with modern rackets (you are young so thats probably the case). If you have hit with some of the older Austrian Head rackets or pro staffs then you would know the difference.

Most important for S&V is stability, these Pure storms dont have the same feel as those afformentioned rackets, with older rackets having braided graphite, twaron/kevlar fibres, foam filled frames etc etc, which is too much expense for giant modern companies after your money.

Only modern rackets that carry on this old skool feel are the pro staff line and custom companies like Bosworth and Vantage. Or pick up a pro stock stick and customise yourself.

I see from your stats that you're a big lad, same size as me, I s&v a lot in an aggressive all court game. The problem I had with the kps88 was my forehand and couldnt get the kind of penetrating topspin consistently that I wanted, it was the only problem with the racket for me. My move to Vantage rackets is due to the pro staff similarity and the fact that its slightly easier to use, and my f/h has come back.

I use poly strings as a S&V, dont get me wrong I really like gut main/alu crosses set up for serving but the weather here is inconsistent, dull and wet a lot of the time and the truth is gut just doesnt work well in those conditions. Also like a lot of people my consistency from the back of the court gives me confidence and ive found nothing better than Alu for that. I can serve just as well and I actually prefer the deader poly for volleying and touch shots.
The main thing tho was to drop the tension to 45lbs after a recommendation by a friend and that has been the catalyst for some of my best play. Also the tension drop Alu gets after a few hours is relatively less at these lower tensions, so it feels more consistent throughout its lifespan. (Its important to note i think this tension drop only works with stiffer strings)

All in all tho if you cant get that old skool racket then the pure storm line are good modern rackets to demo.
 
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The pure storms are lovely rackets but and its a big BUT imo they are hollow and tinny. Good all round rackets if you are used to hitting with modern rackets (you are young so thats probably the case). If you have hit with some of the older Austrian Head rackets or pro staffs then you would know the difference.

Most important for S&V is stability, these Pure storms dont have the same feel as those afformentioned rackets, with older rackets having braided graphite, twaron/kevlar fibres, foam filled frames etc etc, which is too much expense for giant modern companies after your money.

Only modern rackets that carry on this old skool feel are the pro staff line and custom companies like Bosworth and Vantage. Or pick up a pro stock stick and customise yourself.

I see from your stats that you're a big lad, same size as me, I s&v a lot in an aggressive all court game. The problem I had with the kps88 was my forehand and couldnt get the kind of penetrating topspin consistently that I wanted, it was the only problem with the racket for me. My move to Vantage rackets is due to the pro staff similarity and the fact that its slightly easier to use, and my f/h has come back.

I use poly strings as a S&V, dont get me wrong I really like gut main/alu crosses set up for serving but the weather here is inconsistent, dull and wet a lot of the time and the truth is gut just doesnt work well in those conditions. Also like a lot of people my consistency from the back of the court gives me confidence and ive found nothing better than Alu for that. I can serve just as well and I actually prefer the deader poly for volleying and touch shots.
The main thing tho was to drop the tension to 45lbs after a recommendation by a friend and that has been the catalyst for some of my best play. Also the tension drop Alu gets after a few hours is relatively less at these lower tensions, so it feels more consistent throughout its lifespan. (Its important to note i think this tension drop only works with stiffer strings)

All in all tho if you cant get that old skool racket then the pure storm line are good modern rackets to demo.

And what about multis ? They would give you power on serves, ball pace...
 
And what about multis ? They would give you power on serves, ball pace...

some Multis and most gut are great but I dont have the same ball control I do with poly. Most importantly I can take a full swing esp as I have extreme grips and commit to the ball and know that the poly will keep the ball in. Its a confidence that gut and a good multi cannot give me.
 
some Multis and most gut are great but I dont have the same ball control I do with poly. Most importantly I can take a full swing esp as I have extreme grips and commit to the ball and know that the poly will keep the ball in. Its a confidence that gut and a good multi cannot give me.

Ok I got your point, I have have extreme grips but multi give me enough control.

My main problem with polys is ball pace. You know, multis have much more power and when you serve&volley or when you want to come to net it's easier if your previous ball "hurt" your opponent, and polys don't do this with me
 
Ok I got your point, I have have extreme grips but multi give me enough control.

My main problem with polys is ball pace. You know, multis have much more power and when you serve&volley or when you want to come to net it's easier if your previous ball "hurt" your opponent, and polys don't do this with me

Yeah I understand why you would then choose a more powerful string. Its a weird one tho, I know polys are not as powerful as gut or multi but on serve I havent found a noticible difference in pace. The one thing I can honestly say about gut/alu hybrid is that in warm weather I can make that ball do some funny things on serve and I love it but my game has to be balanced out. I may not quite have that variety on serve with full Alu (in warm weather) but it certainly makes up for it on the groundstrokes and consistency.
 
Yeah I understand why you would then choose a more powerful string. Its a weird one tho, I know polys are not as powerful as gut or multi but on serve I havent found a noticible difference in pace. The one thing I can honestly say about gut/alu hybrid is that in warm weather I can make that ball do some funny things on serve and I love it but my game has to be balanced out. I may not quite have that variety on serve with full Alu (in warm weather) but it certainly makes up for it on the groundstrokes and consistency.

Perhaps my grips are guilty. I just feel like polys tend to "spin" the ball, even on flat serve, while multi don't. Thus it looses pace. But as I said, maybe it depends only on my grips (they are quite extreme)
 
I have found that I have become a much better player since switching to multis from polys. My groundstrokes are consistently deeper and I get more short balls on the return. However, if I am not patient, I lose a lot of points because I hit balls a foot long or wide. When I am patient, there is no contest. I am thinking about trying multi mains and poly crosses to get the best of both worlds. I think the poly cross will not cause the multi main to lose too much power but allow me to be more aggressive at the same time.
 
KPS88 if you can handle the weight. Even offcenter volleys will go mostly where you want them, and you don't have to swing at the volley. Just a short punch will give you all the power you need, with added control. String it tight for control. The only S&V player that ever strung it below 60 was McEnroe. Sampras was at 70.
 
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