Serve challenge

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  1. Curious

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    For the speed obsessed out there, maybe you should focus more on this sort of stuff.


     
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  2. nytennisaddict

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    but serve speed is so much easier to quantify, and obtain (if you have a live arm) :p
    brady mentioned, too, that some of his 12y juniors have aced him with good placement (ie. to prove that placement is more important than speed - especially at the rec level)
     
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  3. ByeByePoly

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    I would make the length of the target 2 racquets, and keep the 1 racquet width. Also practice to same target size to deuce T. Having an automatic bh serve ... any pace ... goes a long way in rec tennis. I suggest doubling the length because even if you serve shorter ... that line is premium and forces returner to hit ros moving. Perhaps this type of goal/precision is more important for flat serves than kickers. You can hit effective kickers (particularly to add side) much shorter than 2 racquet lengths from service line.
     
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  4. 34n

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    Great consistency. Especially if it was his first serves. I wounder if I can make at least a half of his hits. I should try...
     
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    Good point. Longer target means more angle which is even better.
     
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    Says he is hitting first serves. By the way he is 32 now and had his highest ATP ranking around 1200s in 2013.
     
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    They ( I mean pros ) are very scrupulous about serves. It seems to me that this is the only part of the game they care about. I have had a chat with a few nationally ranked (50-100) players in Russia after losing them a match like 12-1 or 12-2. My question was - was there any element of my game that hurt them a bit. The answer was always the same . Game is okay ( like whatever ..), the serve is not enough.
    Played against this guy last summer
    https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/ivan-korol/k0as/overview
    He was obviously practicing with me. He served an ace in the very corner ( like in your video). I pointed with my hand down - okay. Never the less he asked for the mark and said that he wanted to see where exactly the ball landed. As I say - special attention to the serves.
     
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  8. GuyClinch

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    You need a decent serve to really start focusing on targets..

    Once you have a nice 'throwing motion' style serve then you can start being concerned with accuracy. Just go watch women's league tennis. Location isn't that huge if you are dinking it in..

    OTOH if you can get in like 60% of 90mph first serves that's a ton of free points in men's 4.0 level.. Not to mention 3.5/3.0..

    It's same with the forehand - have a nice forehand you can win points even when you aim to safe targets. If your dinking it - even shots on the line will get run down.
     
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  9. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    I do a different drill with a similar focus on control.

    3 targets to both sides (wide, body, T), so 6 in total. I hit a first and second serve to each target, so 12 serves total. Point breakdowns are as follows

    Net - 0 pts
    Over net - 5 pts
    Inside the box - 6 pts
    Inside correct half of the box (about within 3 feet of target, 6.75 ft diameter) - 7 pts
    Inside correct third of the box (about within 2 feet of target, 4.5 ft diameter) - 8 pts
    within a foot of the target (2 ft diameter) - 9 pts
    within 2-3 inches of the target (0.33-0.5 ft diameter) - 10 pts

    So a max score is 120 pts

    These weren't the original point breakdowns. It used to include whether you hit the serve cleanly or not, so this breakdown is technically a bit harder (clean contact into the box was 7, and correct half of the box and deep I think was 8 pts, but now I made it correct third and ignore depth since all my serves are deep unless they are wide). You can make this even more difficult by making the wide and T targets the lines themselves, meaning you'd get half the range since the other half is outside the box. I could usually get a few 90s each practice session when I did this regularly. I think I've hit triple digits only once or twice in my life. I try to be a bit stricter when I grade them, since I grade them by eye, and I effectively use the line as a target, so if it isn't really close to the line I'm not getting a 10.

    Using this scoring system on the guy in the video, I'm guessing 3/8 in the box got 3*10 pts, the other 5 get 5*9 pts. All serves that went in were on the correct third, so they get 7*8 pts. He sent one into the net and I think the other 4 went over, so he gets 4*5 pts.

    So that's 30+45+56+20 = 151/200 pts = 7.55 pt avg.

    To be fair, if you use the line as the target instead of the box, several of his serves get bumped up due to a fair amount of them being close to the sideline, even if they weren't deep enough. He probably should average a little higher than an 8, which means to have a similar level of control as that guy, you'd need to score 96+, or basically triple digits.
     
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  10. TagUrIt

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    I’m always looking for new drills to improve my serve. Thanks for sharing!
     
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