Serve Clock At U.S. Open This Year

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NYT:

"A warning to Rafael Nadal and other notorious tennis procrastinators: The dawdling days of time-wasting between points and games are coming to an end, at least at Flushing Meadows.

The United States Open will use a 25-second serve clock at this year’s event, which will be the first time such a system will be deployed in the main draw at a major tennis tournament.

Players will now have 25 seconds from the end of a point to serve for the next one. If they don’t, they will face the consequences: The first violation will incur a warning, followed by the loss of a point and then the loss of a game.

The U.S. Open will also enforce a seven-minute warm-up period before each match to ensure they start on time. Players will have one minute from the time they walk on court to meet at the net for the coin flip. Then they will have five minutes to warm up and another minute before the first serve. Violators could be fined $20,000.

Tennis is not the only sports seeking to speed up play. Major League Baseball has implemented a clock to limit the time between half-innings and has also restricted the number of mound visits allowed during games. M.L.B. is also interested in introducing a pitch clock similar to tennis’s serve clock. And the N.F.L. has tinkered with the number of commercial breaks and standardized the length of halftime.

“Pace of play is a major issue in sports today,” said Chris Widmaier, a spokesman for the United States Tennis Association, which owns the U.S. Open. “We recognize that and we want to be ahead of it.”

The U.S. Open experimented with the serve clock during last year’s non-main draw events, like the qualifying and juniors competitions. According to Widmaier, there were no major issues, other than minor grumbles, mostly from losing players.

Technically there was already a time limit in place: players at Grand Slam events were given only 20 seconds between points (25 seconds at other tour events). But that clock was only seen by the chair umpire and the rule was rarely, if ever, enforced, especially against top players.

Now an on-court clock will be visible to players and spectators alike, similar to the shot clock in basketball and the play clock in football. An extra five seconds will be granted to allow players to adjust to the new format, but it will be strictly enforced.

The chair umpire will run the 25-second clock and will be given leeway to delay the start of it in certain situations: after a particularly long point late in a grueling match, in hot and steamy conditions, or if there is a fan disturbance, for example.

Last year, the U.S. Open also experimented with coaching from the stands in the non-main draw events, but that innovation, which is allowed in certain smaller tournaments, is not expected to be implemented for the main draw. The Grand Slam Board, which consists of representatives of all four major tournaments, must approve all rule changes to any of the four events, and Wimbledon is resistant to coaching from the stands.

Nadal, with his constant fidgeting and ball bouncing, is considered to be among the most egregious time-wasters in the professional game, but he is not alone. Novak Djokovic has also been accused of being overly deliberate during matches. During the ATP Finals in London last November, Nadal made it clear he was not a fan of the new measures.

“I believe it is not something that is good for the future of the tour,” he told reporters, and added: “For me personally, I am not worried at all. I don’t want to play for 10 more years. I can adapt easily to that.”

If the serve clock goes smoothly at the U.S. Open, the other three major tournaments — the Australian Open, the French Open and Wimbledon — could introduce it at their events in the future."


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/sports/us-open-serve-clock.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/tennis&action=click&contentCollection=tennis&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
 
NYT:

"A warning to Rafael Nadal and other notorious tennis procrastinators: The dawdling days of time-wasting between points and games are coming to an end, at least at Flushing Meadows.

The United States Open will use a 25-second serve clock at this year’s event, which will be the first time such a system will be deployed in the main draw at a major tennis tournament.

Players will now have 25 seconds from the end of a point to serve for the next one. If they don’t, they will face the consequences: The first violation will incur a warning, followed by the loss of a point and then the loss of a game.

The U.S. Open will also enforce a seven-minute warm-up period before each match to ensure they start on time. Players will have one minute from the time they walk on court to meet at the net for the coin flip. Then they will have five minutes to warm up and another minute before the first serve. Violators could be fined $20,000.

Tennis is not the only sports seeking to speed up play. Major League Baseball has implemented a clock to limit the time between half-innings and has also restricted the number of mound visits allowed during games. M.L.B. is also interested in introducing a pitch clock similar to tennis’s serve clock. And the N.F.L. has tinkered with the number of commercial breaks and standardized the length of halftime.

“Pace of play is a major issue in sports today,” said Chris Widmaier, a spokesman for the United States Tennis Association, which owns the U.S. Open. “We recognize that and we want to be ahead of it.”

The U.S. Open experimented with the serve clock during last year’s non-main draw events, like the qualifying and juniors competitions. According to Widmaier, there were no major issues, other than minor grumbles, mostly from losing players.

Technically there was already a time limit in place: players at Grand Slam events were given only 20 seconds between points (25 seconds at other tour events). But that clock was only seen by the chair umpire and the rule was rarely, if ever, enforced, especially against top players.

Now an on-court clock will be visible to players and spectators alike, similar to the shot clock in basketball and the play clock in football. An extra five seconds will be granted to allow players to adjust to the new format, but it will be strictly enforced.

The chair umpire will run the 25-second clock and will be given leeway to delay the start of it in certain situations: after a particularly long point late in a grueling match, in hot and steamy conditions, or if there is a fan disturbance, for example.

Last year, the U.S. Open also experimented with coaching from the stands in the non-main draw events, but that innovation, which is allowed in certain smaller tournaments, is not expected to be implemented for the main draw. The Grand Slam Board, which consists of representatives of all four major tournaments, must approve all rule changes to any of the four events, and Wimbledon is resistant to coaching from the stands.

Nadal, with his constant fidgeting and ball bouncing, is considered to be among the most egregious time-wasters in the professional game, but he is not alone. Novak Djokovic has also been accused of being overly deliberate during matches. During the ATP Finals in London last November, Nadal made it clear he was not a fan of the new measures.

“I believe it is not something that is good for the future of the tour,” he told reporters, and added: “For me personally, I am not worried at all. I don’t want to play for 10 more years. I can adapt easily to that.”

If the serve clock goes smoothly at the U.S. Open, the other three major tournaments — the Australian Open, the French Open and Wimbledon — could introduce it at their events in the future."


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/sports/us-open-serve-clock.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/tennis&action=click&contentCollection=tennis&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront

Poorly researched article, a shot clock was used at 1985 Roland Garros and 1985 Australian Open, so this is not the first time it's being used in a major event. I guess we'll have to hear commentators keep saying this over and over again this year. I wonder if Mac and Evert even remember they played matches with a shot clock...
 
I think it was 2016 USO when I first saw them trying this out as a test in the juniors but w/o any penalties for going over the time limit. Gerry Armstrong was observing in some kind of official capacity. I approached him to discuss and I may be remembering wrongly or missing some details but I’m pretty sure he said if and when it was implemented at the pro level that the clock would not begin until it was clear to The Chair that a player had completed any in-between points butt picking. I don’t know if this will be a practical benefit or of concern to any player(s).

VAMOS !
 
So, to speed up play they are giving players 25 seconds instead of 20? Makes a lot of sense. Not. Nadal licking his chops over the extra time he'll be getting.
 
I am glad the tidbit in the article gives umpires discretion when to start a clock based on things like long rallies and crowd ovations/delays and hot and steamy conditions.
 
NYT:

"A warning to Rafael Nadal and other notorious tennis procrastinators: The dawdling days of time-wasting between points and games are coming to an end, at least at Flushing Meadows.

The United States Open will use a 25-second serve clock at this year’s event, which will be the first time such a system will be deployed in the main draw at a major tennis tournament.

Players will now have 25 seconds from the end of a point to serve for the next one. If they don’t, they will face the consequences: The first violation will incur a warning, followed by the loss of a point and then the loss of a game.

The U.S. Open will also enforce a seven-minute warm-up period before each match to ensure they start on time. Players will have one minute from the time they walk on court to meet at the net for the coin flip. Then they will have five minutes to warm up and another minute before the first serve. Violators could be fined $20,000.

Tennis is not the only sports seeking to speed up play. Major League Baseball has implemented a clock to limit the time between half-innings and has also restricted the number of mound visits allowed during games. M.L.B. is also interested in introducing a pitch clock similar to tennis’s serve clock. And the N.F.L. has tinkered with the number of commercial breaks and standardized the length of halftime.

“Pace of play is a major issue in sports today,” said Chris Widmaier, a spokesman for the United States Tennis Association, which owns the U.S. Open. “We recognize that and we want to be ahead of it.”

The U.S. Open experimented with the serve clock during last year’s non-main draw events, like the qualifying and juniors competitions. According to Widmaier, there were no major issues, other than minor grumbles, mostly from losing players.

Technically there was already a time limit in place: players at Grand Slam events were given only 20 seconds between points (25 seconds at other tour events). But that clock was only seen by the chair umpire and the rule was rarely, if ever, enforced, especially against top players.

Now an on-court clock will be visible to players and spectators alike, similar to the shot clock in basketball and the play clock in football. An extra five seconds will be granted to allow players to adjust to the new format, but it will be strictly enforced.

The chair umpire will run the 25-second clock and will be given leeway to delay the start of it in certain situations: after a particularly long point late in a grueling match, in hot and steamy conditions, or if there is a fan disturbance, for example.

Last year, the U.S. Open also experimented with coaching from the stands in the non-main draw events, but that innovation, which is allowed in certain smaller tournaments, is not expected to be implemented for the main draw. The Grand Slam Board, which consists of representatives of all four major tournaments, must approve all rule changes to any of the four events, and Wimbledon is resistant to coaching from the stands.

Nadal, with his constant fidgeting and ball bouncing, is considered to be among the most egregious time-wasters in the professional game, but he is not alone. Novak Djokovic has also been accused of being overly deliberate during matches. During the ATP Finals in London last November, Nadal made it clear he was not a fan of the new measures.

“I believe it is not something that is good for the future of the tour,” he told reporters, and added: “For me personally, I am not worried at all. I don’t want to play for 10 more years. I can adapt easily to that.”

If the serve clock goes smoothly at the U.S. Open, the other three major tournaments — the Australian Open, the French Open and Wimbledon — could introduce it at their events in the future."


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/sports/us-open-serve-clock.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/tennis&action=click&contentCollection=tennis&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
It’s unfair to allow the same 25 seconds for points ending after 40+ shot rallies and after aces.
 
I wonder about the ball-catchers. WIll they still have to serve in the 25 seconds, so does the clock start over?

Yes and further once you toss the ball you have to complete the serve or it’s a fault. Somewhat analogous to a balk in a baseball. I just made it up but it aligns with the objective of keeping the game moving.
 
Nadal, with his constant fidgeting and ball bouncing, is considered to be among the most egregious time-wasters in the professional game, but he is not alone. Novak Djokovic has also been accused of being overly deliberate during matches.
Hmm. The author obviously hasn't watched tennis, otherwise he would know who are well-known "ball bouncers."

...During the ATP Finals in London last November, Nadal made it clear he was not a fan of the new measures.
“I believe it is not something that is good for the future of the tour,” he told reporters, and added: “For me personally, I am not worried at all. I don’t want to play for 10 more years. I can adapt easily to that.

The author's interpretation is pointless, Rafa says that he "can adapt easily to that".
 
Get ready to never hear it. Nadal is the second most popular tennis player and second most marketable. They will continue to allow him 35 seconds between first and second serves because he puts people in the stands. Simple as that.

This, it's one of those things that fall into the "believe it when I see it" category.

At his AO match against Cilic, it was Marin who has getting time violation despite Nadal taking more to serve (which is usually the case). The idea that people have of Nadal as this rebel or whatever is utter nonsense, the guy's one of the biggest tennis establishment darlings.

Shot clock will cut through the BS if implemented (it will be out there in the open how much any players wastes time) but if the call still remains left to the umpire discretion Nadal's not gonna get called on it, period.
 
This, it's one of those things that fall into the "believe it when I see it" category.

At his AO match against Cilic, it was Marin who has getting time violation despite Nadal taking more to serve (which is usually the case). The idea that people have of Nadal as this rebel or whatever is utter nonsense, the guy's one of the biggest tennis establishment darlings.

Shot clock will cut through the BS if implemented (it will be out there in the open how much any players wastes time) but if the call still remains left to the umpire discretion Nadal's not gonna get called on it, period.
Well RAFA (and others) do rebel against the time limit. :p
 
This, it's one of those things that fall into the "believe it when I see it" category.

At his AO match against Cilic, it was Marin who has getting time violation despite Nadal taking more to serve (which is usually the case). The idea that people have of Nadal as this rebel or whatever is utter nonsense, the guy's one of the biggest tennis establishment darlings.

Shot clock will cut through the BS if implemented (it will be out there in the open how much any players wastes time) but if the call still remains left to the umpire discretion Nadal's not gonna get called on it, period.

Funnily enough that time violation woke Marin up and made him angry. Actually ended up being beneficial to him.
 
It's still not a shot clock as the umpire has to call it, so the clock's mere existence functions, in effect, as a continual warning.

The fact is that the clock won't really be noticed by anyone, but when the statistics are collected there will be a clear reduction in time-wasting.

It's a transparency device that will cause players to eliminate their bad habits almost immediately.
 
About time, hopefully this becomes the norm in other tourneys too.
Who knows may be this might just be the 'change' that would give umpires some teeth against well established pros. Complaisance shouldn't be any concern for umpires anyway.
Fun times ahead.. :D
 
That is disingenuous to Cilic who played a great tournament.

While an uninjured Nadal would have been the favorite to progress, it would have only been a slight favorite given how well Cilic played on the day.

Cilic was still taking sets off him before the injury occurred.
Hey. If Rafa is injured or absent then all results from the tournament are invalidated.

As a result, there hasn't been a valid tournament since 2004. Little bit of ATP trivia there. ;)
 
Funnily enough that time violation woke Marin up and made him angry. Actually ended up being beneficial to him.

Pretty much, they did him a favour and fired him up, it's how he ended up fighting back in the 2nd set (after a break down) and taking it.

Gotta give it to Cilic for that match despite Nadal getting injured in the 4th. Marin is not the most stable guy on big points (he never will be) but his attitude in the match was pretty damn good, he was fired up and constantly pumping himself to fight. You always wanna see that against stars instead of defeatist body language.
 
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Nadal takes like 26 on average, and lots of times he averages under 25. He will be just fine, this thread is epicly showing insecurities and residual butthurt though ;)
The hardest thing will be speeding Nadal up on the 2nd serve, because whenever he misses the first serve, he wants to start his routine all over again.

But he's be just fine. ;)
 
let's see whether either of the usual suspects (nadal or djokovic) will play the US open anyway.
but I don't think it will change a lot, it will probably just calm down the discussions.
 
Yeah that was trolling. Guilty as charged.

The part about the fake news was spot on though (why I gave you a like). It's really getting tiring these days to see articles with bombastic, intentionally misleading headlines designed to generate cheap hits.

Shot Clock for the first time evar!!! Just for qualifier matches that aren't even televised and it's still in consideration, hasn't been actually implemented yet.

I wouldn't call time-wasting cheating but it sure ain't fair play either. Just becuse you know umpire will let you get away with it doesn't mean you should take advantage of it. It's not the average time that is the main problem, it's taking extra long on important points and icing the opponent.

With some faster surfaces recently and shot clock talk it seems the tennis authorities are trying to speed up the pace of the game a bit. It might be considered a problem that tennis faces in comparison with other sports, instead of having fixed time matches can take all day long depending on the surface and match-up.
 
let's see whether either of the usual suspects (nadal or djokovic) will play the US open anyway.
but I don't think it will change a lot, it will probably just calm down the discussions.

I think this is more geared towards the future of the sport than reining-in aging veterans like Djokodal. They probably want to avoid matches like 2012 AO final in the future, not that the next-gen stars look like they the mental or physical fortitude for a match like that.
 
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