Serve Clock Failing?

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Economist:

Pace of play in tennis

The new serve clock in tennis appears to backfiring


Matches have become longer, not shorter, since it was introduced

Game theory

Aug 19th 2018

by J.S.

https://www.economist.com/node/21748604/comments
TENNIS was born as a leisurely pastime for the upper class, meant to be played at whatever pace the participants favoured. As a modern spectator sport seeking to attract and hold the attention of impatient audiences, however, it needs to ensure that every minute is as packed with action as possible, and that matches finish within a relatively abbreviated timeframe. Much to the dismay of the keepers of the sport, in recent years match durations have been getting longer rather than shorter. Improvements in racquet technology have ushered out the once-popular aggressive, serve-and-volley style, tilting matches in favor of baseline-centered bludgeoning. Extended rallies take longer, not just during play, but also between points, as players require extra time to recover from their more extreme exertions.

As the sport’s executives took aim at ballooning match times, an early target was match format. A decade ago, the men’s and women’s tours shortened doubles matches by converting the deciding third set to a first-to-ten-point “match tiebreak,” a move that almost guarantees each contest finishes within two hours, though at the cost of some excitement. Around the same time, the men’s Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) converted its few remaining best-of-five-set matches to best-of-threes, leaving only the four majors and the Davis Cup, the international team competition, with the five-set format. More recently, the Davis Cup, one of the last bastions of the sport’s traditionalists, has shifted most lower-level matches to three sets, and is currently mulling a massive overhaul that would result in a more television-friendly, World Cup-style event.

Players, however, aren’t ready to abandon the traditional format wholesale. Enter the serve clock, the latest attempt to enforce the time limits designed to reduce between-point lulls and keep viewers engaged. This year’s U.S. Open, which begins on August 27th, will be the first major to display a countdown before each point, not unlike the shot clock in basketball. The innovative aspect of the screens, which are visible at both ends of the court, is not the time limit, but the transparency. For years, the rulebooks of the ATP and the Women’s Tennis Association (WTA) have specified that players take no longer than 25 seconds between points. The four grand slams, which operate independently of the tours, have demanded a quicker turnaround of 20 seconds after a point is completed, although this year’s U.S. Open will relax the rule to the tour-standard 25. An offending player is issued a warning on the first violation, followed by the loss of a first serve, the loss of a point, and the loss of a game if he or she continues to serve too slowly. But this was a policy with no teeth: when Wall Street Journal (WSJ) staffers armed with stopwatches clocked more than 1,000 serves at the 2010 U.S. Open, players took longer than the allotted 20 seconds more than half of the time. Yet over more than 40,000 points, a measly eight warnings were issued.

In addition to their unwillingness to enforce the rules, officials often appear to favour some players at the expense of others. Many rank-and-file competitors have complained that umpires fail to apply the rule to the sport’s biggest—and slowest—names. Rafael Nadal, the eleven-time French Open champion and now the world’s top-ranked male player, is known for the elaborate sequence of tics that precede each of his serves. And Novak Djokovic, this year’s Wimbledon champion, responds to increasing pressure by bouncing the ball again, and again…and again, before commencing his service motion. In 2017, Mr Nadal averaged 45.5 seconds per point played—a figure that includes time elapsed during play, as well as breaks between games and sets. That was the most of any top player, and 27% more than the 35.7 seconds per point of Roger Federer, his long-time rival. The lack of available data makes it impossible to precisely audit Mr Nadal’s (or any other player’s) compliance with the time limit, but using these general figures, combined with the WSJ’s stopwatch logs, indicates that time played and longer breaks account for about 15 seconds per point, leaving nearly 30 seconds that must be attributed to Mr Nadal’s serve preparation. Other leading men are nearly as slow; Mr Djokovic, third-ranked Juan Martín del Potro, and former U.S. Open finalist Kei Nishikori also averaged more than 42 seconds per point last season, indicating that their typical serve preparation time exceeded the permitted maximum.

In the run-up to this year’s U.S. Open, several tournaments are using the serve clock, to give players and officials an opportunity to get used to the new technology before the curtain goes up in New York. Earlier this month Canada’s Rogers Cup, with a men’s event in Toronto and a women’s event in Montreal, was the highest-profile test yet. It was also the first meeting between the clock and Mr Nadal. In five matches—the Spaniard won the tournament, defeating Greek prospect Stefanos Tsitsipas in the final on August 12th—Mr Nadal averaged 47.2 seconds per point, including 50.9 seconds per point in the title match against Mr Tsitsipas. The introduction of the serve clock somehow corresponded to Mr Nadal playing even slower than usual: In 24 hard-court matches last summer and fall, all played without a countdown display, he exceeded 47 seconds per point only four times.

The Toronto champion wasn’t the only player who slowed down once on the clock. At each of the completed tournaments where the serve clock has been used—Toronto, Montreal, San Jose, and Washington, D.C.—the average point took longer in 2018 than it did in 2017, without the clock. The differences varied from 0.3 seconds per point at the women’s event San Jose (an event that was held in nearby Stanford last year) to 2.0 seconds at the men’s competition in Washington.

This unintended consequence stems from two main sources. Faster players don’t always intend to rush, and a visible clock helps them set a more comfortable pace. Even Mr Djokovic, who can rarely be accusing of hurrying between points, has said that he feels like the clock gives him more time. At the other end of the spectrum, it is apparent that officials still remain reluctant to lock horns with the players they are charged with monitoring. The 25-second countdown begins when the umpire enters the score on a tablet. After extended rallies, umpires wait longer to start the clock. Canadian teen Denis Shapovalov, one of the few players so far to have griped about the system, pointed to this form of discretion as simply a new way for officials to favor the great and the slow, such as Mr Nishikori, the player who had just defeated him.

The serve clock has succeeded on one count, silencing doubters who feared that a countdown would draw too much attention and create a distraction. As for the stated goals, however, it has yet to speed up the game, and it still allows the umpire too much discretion to be completely transparent. Increasing the pace of play may require shortening the time limit to less than 25 seconds, or implementing a system independent of the chair umpire—or both. Tennis executives will continue looking for ways to turn matches into more saleable media-friendly packages, but they will need to find a solution elsewhere.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
It was always an idiotic idea. The two most notorious time violation offenders have won both tourneys with the stupid clock.

There's no logical proof in your argument.

The shot-clock is a success because it has forced players to cut-down on a their unsportsmanlike pre-serve rituals.

The stalling from players such as Nadal and Djokovic was always intended to be a psychological tactic, rather than a physical one. Consequently, neither are physically inhibited by the shot-clock. Players like them have just been forced to cut-out a part of their serving gamesmanship.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
There's no logical proof in your argument.

The shot-clock is a success because it has forced players to cut-down on a their unsportsmanlike pre-serve rituals.

The stalling from players such as Nadal and Djokovic was always intended to be a psychological tactic, rather than a physical one. Consequently, neither are physically inhibited by the shot-clock. Players like them have just been forced to cut-out a part of their serving gamesmanship.

It will in the long run hurt the product, shorten the points and diminish the entertainment value of the game. So yes, it's incredibly stupid.
 
I mean they aren't enforcing the rule so we have two more asterisks in the record books for Canada and Cincy

The crowd was actually yelling at the chair yesterday to enforce the rule which the paid off chair did not.

So its longer because of cheating and bribery not the shot clock.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
It will in the long run hurt the product, shorten the points and diminish the entertainment value of the game. So yes, it's incredibly stupid.

95% of players have regularly served well within the shot-clock allowance for decades. No-one has ever complained about the length of points or entertainment value during this time.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Bewildered looks have been coming from Fed devotees. :D
giphy.webp
 

Omega_7000

Legend
It was always an idiotic idea. The two most notorious time violation offenders have won both tourneys with the stupid clock.

Yes because two tournaments provides a data set size to make such a determination. Good thing you're not a statistician.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Yes because two tournaments provides a data set size to make such a determination. Good thing you're not a statistician.
I'm just trying to see the completely flawed methodology they used in a charitable light, but I'm struggling.

They didn't account for the weather - which affects point length and other time-factors in a number of ways. Additionally, they don't look at changing court speeds year to year. Or even the tone of the draw. If more top players are missing or lose early it would be fair to ask whether the winner's tournament being easier might have some impact on average match length also.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The reality is that some data is better than none and the data confirms what many suspected.

The rule changes legalise time-wasting, rather than cracking down on it.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Nadal has water/sweat just running off of him, his rituals are to keep the drops from entering his eyes during the serve motion, no gamemanship. I had a server winding up just as I turned around after fetching him the ball. Now I guess I need to send the ball back once i'm back ready to receive, easily solved. Having extra time to decide where your going with the return is not that big a deal.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
It was always a dumb idea. Should have just had the balls to call Rafa out on his time wasting...now they've paved the way for stalling for everyone, something easily foreseeable.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The good news is that if the slams want to they can always set their clocks to twenty seconds.

The USO is using twenty-five this year but they also don't have to follow the ATP. The AO should learn the lesson.
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I was against a visible shot clock because I thought the crowd would get involved like when Cyclops first can out and kids would whistle for 30 secs every time it went off.

Since this hasn't happened I'm in favour It legitimises time warnings Gives players a cue and seems very reasonably handle

In the future the time might be tweaked, maybe 20s is right after score call. But it should not start at the end of the point. If that occurred players can call interference on ball boys for crossing and crowd for noise restart clock.

This is initially meant to remove the excessive points rather than the norm. Maybe players will have to go back to using resin and sawdust for grip or wear a towel like in years past.

The only people who seem unhappy are those who where Pro SC for the aim of specifically penalising Nadal and it seems to have not done so are bitter.

This is a start and will be tweaked in future, but I think by then no one who wanted it will care as Federer won't gain benefit and Nadal should with training accommodate it.
 

Slightly D1

Professional
You’re saying strict adherence to a rule that was never truly enforced because it allowed the quality of tennis to remain higher is causing tennis to reach low energy play and get longer is surprising?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So if we allowed two minutes between points tennis would be more than four times the quality?

Work expands to fill the time available is the so-called Parkinson's Law. It may be at work here as well.

You’re saying strict adherence to a rule that was never truly enforced because it allowed the quality of tennis to remain higher is causing tennis to reach low energy play and get longer is surprising?
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
It was always an idiotic idea. The two most notorious time violation offenders have won both tourneys with the stupid clock.
Ironic, isn't it? Although I would point out that people point fingers at Rafa and Djoker because they are top players but many other players are not that quick between points. If they are that bothered about television time why, on earth, do they allow the final set of a Bo5 match to go on forever with the possibility of the match taking up to 11 hours?
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't know how they got away with enforcing the time between points without a visible shot clock. How were the players supposed to know when the time was over?

They don't include aborting the ball toss in the 25 seconds and there is no time limit between 1st and 2nd serves.

Giving umpires the discretion as to when they start the clock is also very subjective and starting the clock immediately after the point ends would be unfair to the players because they can't control how long the audience take to settle down after a point or how long it takes the balls-kids to get the balls to them.

To ensure that matches take the shortest time, they will have to resort to just using robots for players. Once Rafa retires, I wouldn't care how the powers that be ruin the sport that I've loved for sooooooo many years.
 
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Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
The good news is that if the slams want to they can always set their clocks to twenty seconds.

The USO is using twenty-five this year but they also don't have to follow the ATP. The AO should learn the lesson.
I don't think it will happen. ATP made a bad mistake establishing too liberal parameters.

Another huge flaw is that there is no time for 2nd serves or any serves after a let. That's where Nadal eats up the most time, Djokovic also.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The good news is that if the slams want to they can always set their clocks to twenty seconds.

The USO is using twenty-five this year but they also don't have to follow the ATP. The AO should learn the lesson.

Hmm. The ATP doesn't have to take part in the grand slam tournaments "which operate independently of the tours" [says the article above]. I wonder what happens if the ATP stops participating.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Slams have a habit of going their own way, but second serves and lets present a ticklish issue.

A simple verbal expression by the umpire of, say, 'Begin' could set the clock ticking down for twenty seconds or five seconds less than the initial allowance.

I'd prefer if lets and aborted tosses were called as faults, so that would eliminate a lot of wasted time.

I don't think it will happen. ATP made a bad mistake establishing too liberal parameters.

Another huge flaw is that there is no time for 2nd serves or any serves after a let. That's where Nadal eats up the most time, Djokovic also.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
The Slams have a habit of going their own way, but second serves and lets present a ticklish issue.
They do. I think a shot clock is a wonderful idea, and now we can see that it is pretty unobtrusive. Just two small screens, and you can't really even see them if you do not know where to look. Tennis coverage tends to focus on the server until he serves, so often you can't even see the clock, since it is shut off at the serve, and I've notice that seems to happen when the wind-up begins and not with contact with the ball.

But it appears not to have worked. If the average time between points is the same or longer, it failed. The ATP effectively increased the time from 25 to 30 seconds by having the score announced about 5 seconds after the last point, and faster players now seem to be taking more time because they know it is there.

So far I have to admit it is a failure.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
They do. I think a shot clock is a wonderful idea, and now we can see that it is pretty unobtrusive. Just two small screens, and you can't really even see them if you do not know where to look. Tennis coverage tends to focus on the server until he serves, so often you can't even see the clock, since it is shut off at the serve, and I've notice that seems to happen when the wind-up begins and not with contact with the ball.

But it appears not to have worked. If the average time between points is the same or longer, it failed. The ATP effectively increased the time from 25 to 30 seconds by having the score announced about 5 seconds after the last point, and faster players now seem to be taking more time because they know it is there.

So far I have to admit it is a failure.
The clock hasn't failed it just proves that Rafa and Djoker did not continuously exceed the time limit and all that was a figment of some people's imagination. People think it's a failure because it hasn't stopped Rafa and Djoker winning titles.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
There's no logical proof in your argument.

The shot-clock is a success because it has forced players to cut-down on a their unsportsmanlike pre-serve rituals.

The stalling from players such as Nadal and Djokovic was always intended to be a psychological tactic, rather than a physical one. Consequently, neither are physically inhibited by the shot-clock. Players like them have just been forced to cut-out a part of their serving gamesmanship.
What's wrong with psychological tactics? It's a competition, isn't it? Which competition doesn't engage in psychological tactics? Not that I agree that Rafa and Djoker engage in psychological tactics; I believe that's just how they play. They can't all be clones of Roger Federer.

The clock should be visible to all viewers at all time. They could just show the countdown on the TV screen, we don't necessarily have to see the clock on the wall.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
The far more important subject to address is the use of hawkeye. Why can't it be used to call the lines instead of expecting the players to challenge?
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
“TENNIS was born as a leisurely pastime for the upper class, meant to be played at whatever pace the participants favoured.“

Hear ! Hear ! As it should be played by Ladies and Gentleman.

As for Rafa’s tics. In the US you need to make reasonable accomadations to him per the ADA. So if he needs a few minutes to line up his water bottles or pick his butt leave it alone. VAMOS !

More seriously, I don’t have an opinion on the shot clock but I probably will by the end of the USO.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This proves yet again that the capacity of a fan to say anything intelligent is extremely limited.

The clock hasn't failed it just proves that Rafa and Djoker did not continuously exceed the time limit and all that was a figment of some people's imagination. People think it's a failure because it hasn't stopped Rafa and Djoker winning titles.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Like the shot clock, Hawkeye is also designed to amuse the crowd. Automated line calls would be dull. People find close challenges interesting.

The far more important subject to address is the use of hawkeye. Why can't it be used to call the lines instead of expecting the players to challenge?
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
What's wrong with psychological tactics? It's a competition, isn't it? Which competition doesn't engage in psychological tactics? Not that I agree that Rafa and Djoker engage in psychological tactics; I believe that's just how they play. They can't all be clones of Roger Federer.

The clock should be visible to all viewers at all time. They could just show the countdown on the TV screen, we don't necessarily have to see the clock on the wall.

My point is that people can't argue that the shot-clock is ineffective, just because Nadal and Djokovic have won both tournaments where it has been used.

These players are perfectly capable of serving within the time regulations. And let's be honest: even a 25-second limit is very much on the generous side of things.
Players who are forced to serve within 25-seconds are not physically impeded by the restriction.

Psychological tactics are an important aspect of any sport, but when they cross the line into unsportsmanlike behaviour territory, then they should be acknowledged and restricted as such.

Spending half a minute bouncing the ball 17 times, or following some bizarre pre-serve OCD ritual, is not only bad sportsmanship, but unfair on your opponent and, even more importantly, the viewing public.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
lol. the article is so long and only approaches its headline at the very end. & simultaneously renders it meaingless, revealing that they are including the average time it takes to play a point, not just the time between play. how does this give us useful info about the shot clock? an unnamed player at one event averaged .3 seconds longer per point?! craaazy.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
I'm just trying to see the completely flawed methodology they used in a charitable light, but I'm struggling.

They didn't account for the weather - which affects point length and other time-factors in a number of ways. Additionally, they don't look at changing court speeds year to year. Or even the tone of the draw. If more top players are missing or lose early it would be fair to ask whether the winner's tournament being easier might have some impact on average match length also.
And biggest of all they included the points themselves. If you are writing about the shot clock why not look into how many time violations still went unchecked, rather than invent a completely new metric?
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
They do. I think a shot clock is a wonderful idea, and now we can see that it is pretty unobtrusive. Just two small screens, and you can't really even see them if you do not know where to look. Tennis coverage tends to focus on the server until he serves, so often you can't even see the clock, since it is shut off at the serve, and I've notice that seems to happen when the wind-up begins and not with contact with the ball.

But it appears not to have worked. If the average time between points is the same or longer, it failed. The ATP effectively increased the time from 25 to 30 seconds by having the score announced about 5 seconds after the last point, and faster players now seem to be taking more time because they know it is there.

So far I have to admit it is a failure.
The article does not have nor present information about time between points increasing. Which is weird because that's what it is claiming to do.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Spending half a minute bouncing the ball 17 times, or following some bizarre pre-serve OCD ritual, is not only bad sportsmanship, but unfair on your opponent and, even more importantly, the viewing public.
Funny how there is no time limit on toilet breaks. People are just uptight about particular players.

Did Kei Nishikori Use A 10-Minute Shower Break To Help Him Win Bronze Over Rafael Nadal In Rio?
by Staff | August 14th, 2016, 7:30 pm

Whether or not Nishikori took a shower or not, after the lengthy “clothing change” or “toilet break” he came back refreshed and comfortably closed out the Spaniard in the decider.

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-08-14/23863.php
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
Funny how there is no time limit on toilet breaks. People are just uptight about particular players.

Did Kei Nishikori Use A 10-Minute Shower Break To Help Him Win Bronze Over Rafael Nadal In Rio?
by Staff | August 14th, 2016, 7:30 pm

Whether or not Nishikori took a shower or not, after the lengthy “clothing change” or “toilet break” he came back refreshed and comfortably closed out the Spaniard in the decider.

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-08-14/23863.php

You're just moving the goalposts here.

Abusing the toilet break and MTO system is a separate aspect of gamesmanship. And, if we're honest here, the two players who prompted the need for a shot-clock, are also the same two players who often abuse the ''off-court break'' and MTO system.

Nishikori supposedly needing 10-minutes for a pee doesn't in any way absolve the people who take over 25-seconds to serve!
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
“TENNIS was born as a leisurely pastime for the upper class, meant to be played at whatever pace the participants favoured.“

Hear ! Hear ! As it should be played by Ladies and Gentleman.

As for Rafa’s tics. In the US you need to make reasonable accomadations to him per the ADA. So if he needs a few minutes to line up his water bottles or pick his butt leave it alone. VAMOS !

More seriously, I don’t have an opinion on the shot clock but I probably will by the end of the USO.
I think I will contract Karlovic to serve for me then take all the credit for the win much as the ceos and executives in all companies (Mitt)
 

Primavera

Rookie
Well, the article is accurate.

:cool:

No. I timed Nadal several times. He was within 25 sec limit in ca.60% service motions, within 30% for about 35 %, over 30 - very few times, never over 40 sec.

I repeated this timing exercise in different years and tournament. The outcome was bearly the same. I can tell the author where he may go and what he may do there, but I am too good for it :)
 
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