Serve Problem

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
So, when i serve the balli throw it up at 1 o'clock. Then i swing my raquet back scratch my back(not literally). Then i bring it forward with a continental grip then change it to a forhand grip in mid-air right befor i hit the ball. How do i change this.
 

dozu

Banned
sounds like a swing path issue... post a vid and I am sure there are plenty good servers here who can look
 

Roy125

Professional
sounds like a swing path issue... post a vid and I am sure there are plenty good servers here who can look
The problem occurs before the OP hits the ball...so I don't think that it's a swing path issue, lol.

@OP I think you have a slippery grip.
 

salsainglesa

Semi-Pro
well its good old fear... whenever in stress you fall back to old habits.
you have to start constructing your serve with the correct grip, step by step.
Here you can find tons of info on that.
 

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
The problem occurs before the OP hits the ball...so I don't think that it's a swing path issue, lol.

@OP I think you have a slippery grip.
My coach said i had the path. im also sppost to have a lose grip to gain momentum. I think it might be i'm not stepping into my shot.
 

Roy125

Professional
My coach said i had the path. im also sppost to have a lose grip to gain momentum. I think it might be i'm not stepping into my shot.
I doubt it. You are supposed to have a lose grip, but not to the point where it's unstable. Grip the racket tighter because your racket will fall out of your hand at this rate.
 

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
I doubt it. You are supposed to have a lose grip, but not to the point where it's unstable. Grip the racket tighter because your racket will fall out of your hand at this rate.
Yeah she said not to the point of it falling out but to closeto it as possible.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I used to do something like this. I'd toss holding continental and just before I hit it I would change to an Eastern grip on my first serves. I just hit wider and harder with an Eastern on a serve I guess, but I changed anyway.

Maybe you're swinging into the inside of the ball too much?
Also, maybe you should try replacing your grip.
 

tennis_pr0

Semi-Pro
Did you just switch to a continental grip for your serve, and do you feel comfortable with pronating the wrist? I have had many students unconsciously turn the racquet face slightly right before contact on the serve because they do not feel fully comfortable in a full continental grip for serving. By switching your grip slightly before contact, you are avoiding the full pronation. Other than that, I would need to see a video so say anything further with this.
 

larry10s

Hall of Fame
try starting with an eastern backhand grip. you just go to conti!!
suggestion #2
put a dime under your index knuckle and dont let it fall out .it may force you to grip alittle too tight for optimum serving but should help keep you in continental
 

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
Did you just switch to a continental grip for your serve, and do you feel comfortable with pronating the wrist? I have had many students unconsciously turn the racquet face slightly right before contact on the serve because they do not feel fully comfortable in a full continental grip for serving. By switching your grip slightly before contact, you are avoiding the full pronation. Other than that, I would need to see a video so say anything further with this.
Yes,just switched.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
If you're serious about fixing it, tape the racquet in your hand so you can't move the grip during the service motion. Then, hit about a hundred serves with it taped so you know the feeling of serving with a continental grip.

I think their is also a device sold to keep the grip stationary when serving.
 

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
If you're serious about fixing it, tape the racquet in your hand so you can't move the grip during the service motion. Then, hit about a hundred serves with it taped so you know the feeling of serving with a continental grip.

I think their is also a device sold to keep the grip stationary when serving.

Thanks might try the taped thing.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Instead of the tape, I'd put on a NEW tacky overgrip, then really try to convince yourself that your next shot will be conti gripped, so just follow your serve to net position at the service line.
 

Nellie

Hall of Fame
You are obviously reverting to a known, comfortable form. You cannot just change grip and use an old swingpath (If you are using a new swingpath with an old grip, you would hit way to your right (if you are righty). I would bet that prior to the stroke, you are opening the shoulders too early and pointing your chest at that the receiver.

I would suggest you are trying to change too much at once. For starters, change the grip and take some easy, slow serves with a very abbreviated motion - start in the back scratch motion or in the air - like an overhead. STAY SIDEWAYS with the shoulder, and swing softly. As you get more comfortable, staying sideways, add a longer stroke or add the appropriate late shoulder rotation.
 
Are you sure you aren't changing the grip BEFORE swinging? Cause that was a problem for me when I switched to a proper service grip. There's no way your grip is changing this severely during your swing.
 

yellowoctopus

Professional
Personally I would identify where the switch happens on your swing, then try to practice the swing with your continental grip from that point (may be a little earlier). Work on swinging without the ball for 10-20 times and then add the ball toss for however long you need. Focus on finishing your service motion with the continental grip.

The exercise sounds silly, and probably look ever more silly, but you are trying to train your brain, which usually responds by forming a pattern of movement from the repetitive move.

 
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mightyrick

Legend
Are you using a "broken" serve motion? Perhaps you are unconsciouly adjusting your grip in the take back?

Also, your swing speed is probably pretty slow -- which is expected at this point. As you swing faster and more explosively, the inertia and force of the motion will also do a lot stabilize the racquet in your hand.

Perhaps try to swing a tad faster and "whip" at it.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Actually, a lot of people making the change from EFH to Conti serves change during the stroke, some as late as the actual ballstrike. It's not comfortable to CHOOSE a continental grip, that's all. They need to embrace the idea that when you are at net, when you hit overheads, when you hit defensive sliced backhands, you should be using the CONTINENTAL grip.
HOW? I say, try playing a whole set with conti grip! That just means you have a slice stroke both groundies sides, so tis weak, and you make up for that weakness by moving to service line to hit underspin VOLLEYS, and crushing overheads..:shock::shock:
Soon, you'll like the idea of continental grip.
 

PeterPanda

Semi-Pro
Actually, a lot of people making the change from EFH to Conti serves change during the stroke, some as late as the actual ballstrike. It's not comfortable to CHOOSE a continental grip, that's all. They need to embrace the idea that when you are at net, when you hit overheads, when you hit defensive sliced backhands, you should be using the CONTINENTAL grip.
HOW? I say, try playing a whole set with conti grip! That just means you have a slice stroke both groundies sides, so tis weak, and you make up for that weakness by moving to service line to hit underspin VOLLEYS, and crushing overheads..:shock::shock:
Soon, you'll like the idea of continental grip.
Then i guess it's not a suprise that i don't like volleys or anything really at the net.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
As you know, and everyone here agrees, we are what we practice.
If we choose to hit every shot with groundstrokes, how can we be comfortable at the net, hitting overheads, or serving with continental grips?
Only when we start to see the advantages of continental grips (serving, overheads, volleys, defensive backhand slices), can we begin to embrace the concept.
Playing doubles is a big eye opener. All the volleys, the overheads, the reflex blocking, all shots hit when your grip is comfortably continental, is very hard to do with any kind of forehand or backhand grip. Some people DO use a W for everything, but they are strong and quick, not the average player.
 
As you know, and everyone here agrees, we are what we practice.
If we choose to hit every shot with groundstrokes, how can we be comfortable at the net, hitting overheads, or serving with continental grips?
Only when we start to see the advantages of continental grips (serving, overheads, volleys, defensive backhand slices), can we begin to embrace the concept.
Playing doubles is a big eye opener. All the volleys, the overheads, the reflex blocking, all shots hit when your grip is comfortably continental, is very hard to do with any kind of forehand or backhand grip. Some people DO use a W for everything, but they are strong and quick, not the average player.
100% correct. As Coach Dave Smith will attest, more players have had their development hampered by not toughing it out to learn the continental than any other factor.
 
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