Shame on the USTA and the WTA !

YourMajesty

New User
I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.

See my post Serena and sexism. I too can't grasp the comparison but any male player that voiced their concern would lose sponsors etc and is scared to say what they feel. Serena could play till she is 50 and probably still make finals. She is the cash cow of the usta so they are riding her till she bows out then they will jump on the Osaka bandwagon unless what she did at the open was a fluke. Only one I have seen truly dominate Serena and match her power on serve and off the ground.
 

Crocodile

Legend
I agree with the sentiments expressed here, I think it's really bad form for the WTA and USTA for taking the stance they have,
Honestly who would want to be an umpire now and cop all the abuse, and then not get the support of the governing body, it's simply an appalling state of affairs. We have enough problems in junior tournaments where bad behaviour prevails and in society where students show lack of respect for their teachers and police, people who are trying their best to do their job.
When Mcnroe got defaulted out of the AU open he at least apologised the day after, but this is gathering a life of its own.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The WTA and the ATP are both three set competitions.

You need to get your facts straight and not be led by your prejudices.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
USTA is headed by Compton neighbor . What do you expect ?

WTA does not have any stars barring Serena . To sustain the business, the CEO has to engage in this shameful act of throwing the umpire under the bus

At least the ITF got it right

Major respects to Martina and Mary carillo . Mary did not mince words and called Serena a bully on live TV. She has garnered huge respect in this story
 

YourMajesty

New User
The WTA and the ATP are both three set competitions.

You need to get your facts straight and not be led by your prejudices.
Grand slams are played best of 5 sets in men's, and best of 3 sets in women's. Yet, both men and women players make the same amount of money whether they play 3 sets or 5 sets. Explain us how it makes sense? Assuming you are man, would agree to be paid a given salary for working 5 full days a week, whereas your women colleagues work only 3 days a week for the same salary?
 

byealmeens

Semi-Pro
I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.
Though I understand your frustration, I cannot agree with your main point … as I feel it is inaccurate and unfair to accuse Serena of cheating. She received a code violation, that’s all. She may or may not have noticed the gesture, and given her lack of interest in coaching during regular WTA matches one would suspect she was not looking to be coached in this instance. I agree that Ramos was right, but also understand Serena’s attempt to defend her position. What transpired beyond this point was very disappointing and on that I also agree with you. However, I do think several have to pointed to gamesmanship as a possible motivation, while others have expressed the possibility she did not fully understand the rules. Not sure if either of these are accurate based on the information, but the topics have been discussed.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I only read this now and find it quite shocking to be honest:

"What Serena did on the podium today showed a great deal of class and sportsmanship. This was Naomi's moment, and Serena wanted her to be able to enjoy it. That was a class move from a true champion. What Serena has accomplished this year in playing her way back on to the tour is truly amazing. She continues to inspire, because she continues to strive to be the best. She owns virtually every page of the record book, but she's never been one to rest on her laurels.

She's always working to improve; always eager to embrace new challenges; and to set new standards. She is an inspiration to me, personally, and a credit to our sport, win or lose. I know that she was frustrated about the way the match played out, but the way she stepped up after the final and gave full credit to Naomi for a match well-played speaks volumes about who she is."

Notice how Katrina Adams starts this diatribe by saying "this was Naomi's moment", but then proceeds to only talk about how great Serena is.
And Naomi's victory is, naturally, just a footnote in another extraordinary moment where Serena seems to come out on top: "the way she stepped up after the final and gave full credit to Naomi for a match well-played speaks volumes about who she is."

 

YourMajesty

New User
Yes, quite shocking, especially after being fined 3 times by the US Open tournament for bad conduct. USTA and WTA have a clear agenda. Katrina Adams is now playing politics and sucking up to Serena because she is the main attraction in women's tennis. Even if she behaves terribly like she did the other night, the USTA still wants to sell us that she has showed great sportsmanship. Who can believe this after the other night. Who cares about Osaka? Who cares about her first GS win? The star of the USTA show is Serena.
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
Yes, quite shocking, especially after being fined 3 times by the US Open tournament for bad conduct. USTA and WTA have a clear agenda. Katrina Adams is now playing politics and sucking up to Serena because she is the main attraction in women's tennis. Even if she behaves terribly like she did the other night, the USTA still wants to sell us that she has showed great sportsmanship. Who can believe this after the other night. Who cares about Osaka? Who cares about her first GS win? The star of the USTA show is Serena.
The key is USTA not JapanTA. Serena is the cash cow of the usta and therefore they cower to her every demand but wait till she retires. Good luck on keeping viewership then. It will be like the WNBA at that point.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Slams used to 'pay' both sexes the same, which was nothing, so they have merely returned to 'paying' them the same.

But the Slams can do what they want and they follow their traditions. They don't feel their product would be improved with five set women's tennis.

Your essential error however is that you conceive of prize money as pay. It is not pay. It is a sum of money awarded by a fiat for some activity.

There is no relationship between work and reward in professional sport, especially tenis, where the rewards are slender for both men and women in relation to revenues.

You should look at some work on early modern piracy in order to see how rewards for an activity could indeed be more fairly distributed.

Grand slams are played best of 5 sets in men's, and best of 3 sets in women's. Yet, both men and women players make the same amount of money whether they play 3 sets or 5 sets. Explain us how it makes sense? Assuming you are man, would agree to be paid a given salary for working 5 full days a week, whereas your women colleagues work only 3 days a week for the same salary?
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
The Slams used to 'pay' both sexes the same, which was nothing, so they have merely returned to 'paying' them the same.

But the Slams can do what they want and they follow their traditions. They don't feel their product would be improved with five set women's tennis.

Your essential error however is that you conceive of prize money as pay. It is not pay. It is a sum of money awarded by a fiat for some activity.

There is no relationship between work and reward in professional sport, especially tenis, where the rewards are slender for both men and women in relation to revenues.

You should look at some work on early modern piracy in order to see how rewards for an activity could indeed be more fairly distributed.
So in your opinion if Serena retires and there is no big draw on the women's side that they can simply reduce their winnings to less than whatever the men make at the same event???? Don't think sexism would be screamed to the mountains???? Would be a PR nightmare and they would lose money before they did that and everyone knows that.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are inventing your own questions and they bear no relationship to what I wrote.

Prize money is an indicator of the prestige of an event, so a slam will always be the most rewarding event.

So in your opinion if Serena retires and there is no big draw on the women's side that they can simply reduce their winnings to less than whatever the men make at the same event???? Don't think sexism would be screamed to the mountains???? Would be a PR nightmare and they would lose money before they did that and everyone knows that.
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
You are inventing your own questions and they bear no relationship to what I wrote.

Prize money is an indicator of the prestige of an event, so a slam will always be the most rewarding event.

I was asking a question that you don't want to honestly answer. No matter how prestigious the event if the women have no "big" draw players and viewers don't watch then how do you tell them "well we can't pay you what the men get because people are coming to see and watch nadal, federa etc?? You know it wouldn't happen. Serena has laid the foundation.

WNBA has the same championship as the NBA. Same sport same championship but nobody watches WNBA but what if they had women's championship and men's basketball championship the same days with women's games being played first. It would be like a UFC fight and nobody comes to watch prelims!!!
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Grand slams are played best of 5 sets in men's, and best of 3 sets in women's. Yet, both men and women players make the same amount of money whether they play 3 sets or 5 sets. Explain us how it makes sense? Assuming you are man, would agree to be paid a given salary for working 5 full days a week, whereas your women colleagues work only 3 days a week for the same salary?
If you want to look at it like its pay for job, then this,
There's a job to do, win a match, women get it done more efficiently yet get paid for the full job, which was done.
How about your boss comes to you and says , "you got it done early, were docking your pay".
So you become slower and less efficient and all you do is cost more, so time to hire a smart efficient woman.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Carlos Ramos has umpired both men and women extensively over many years probably at least a hundred times. He is a very experienced umpire and known to adhere to the rules. I can't see how being sexist against women comes into it as Serena's opponent is also a woman.
I could see more issues if it was a Japanese or American umpire because then you could apply country bias as an excuse. If the umpire was Australian then you could claim being an allie to USA is prejudiced.
What if on the other hand the umpire was a woman but was friends with relatives of Naomi Osaka, you could claim family nepotism . Or what if one of the players was gay and the umpire was gay, could that be seen as a problem, and we can go on and on.
Do some umpires act more/ less forthright and to the letter of the law then others on occasion, the answer is probably yes. I think in the past too many umpires have put up with too much crap and should have acted earlier.
You see it in footy matches where the same breach is committed by a player and in one incident they get sent off and in the other they get placed on report but left to play. It is a matter of interpretation when it comes to implementing the rules even though the rules are clearly explanatory, it's just that some are more forthright then others and brave as well. Imagine if Serena was defaulted from the event, that would have been a gutsy call.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Carlos Ramos has umpired both men and women extensively over many years probably at least a hundred times. He is a very experienced umpire and known to adhere to the rules. I can't see how being sexist against women comes into it as Serena's opponent is also a woman.
I could see more issues if it was a Japanese or American umpire because then you could apply country bias as an excuse. If the umpire was Australian then you could claim being an allie to USA is prejudiced.
What if on the other hand the umpire was a woman but was friends with relatives of Naomi Osaka, you could claim family nepotism . Or what if one of the players was gay and the umpire was gay, could that be seen as a problem, and we can go on and on.
Do some umpires act more/ less forthright and to the letter of the law then others on occasion, the answer is probably yes. I think in the past too many umpires have put up with too much crap and should have acted earlier.
You see it in footy matches where the same breach is committed by a player and in one incident they get sent off and in the other they get placed on report but left to play. It is a matter of interpretation when it comes to implementing the rules even though the rules are clearly explanatory, it's just that some are more forthright then others and brave as well. Imagine if Serena was defaulted from the event, that would have been a gutsy call.
Only gutsy if really warranted otherwise it mares the sport and leaves millions of fans without a winner that fought through a battle but it is given to the other opponent by a higher power, the ump 6 ft up in the chair who required worshipdumb.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Only gutsy if really warranted otherwise it mares the sport and leaves millions of fans without a winner that fought through a battle but it is given to the other opponent by a higher power, the ump 6 ft up in the chair who required worshipdumb.
Yes off course if warranted, but lots of pressure to follow through even if warranted.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
This is well thought out an well presented. Good work, YM.

I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
"Yeah, but...."

This seems to be the crux of SW's claims of victimhood -- and her apologists.

There is no "yeah, but."

To summarize:

1. SW's coach was caught coaching. WARNING
2. SW smashed her racket. POINT
3. SW challenged the integrity of the Umpire. GAME

"Yeah, but so many other umpires give 'soft warnings' first." The coaching was blatant and repetitive, according to Ramos. (And Patrick ADMITTED he was coaching!) "Soft warnings" are not in the Code. Get over yourselves. SW’s team was cheating.

It's a big disappointment to see so many former stars and "tennis pundits" support SW's putrid behavior. ESPN, the USTA and the WTA have caved to the SW mob. Tim Mayotte, Martina Navratilova, Mary Carillo and others still give me hope. Notably, some of the most rotten actors are silent.

"Yeah, but men get away with so much more!" Very few of the men have been stupid enough to press to the 3rd level of penalty. ______ And Christopher Clarey of the NYT tweeted the gender split on Code Violations from this year’s US Open.
Men 86
Women 22
There goes THAT SW Victim Card.

Active tennis officials are prohibited from Media interviews. IMO, we can all learn a lot by reviewing the commentary of Richard Ings who is a former official and delivers very clear opinions. His concise tweets cut through the chaotic fog from rabble rousers.
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
If you want to look at it like its pay for job, then this,
There's a job to do, win a match, women get it done more efficiently yet get paid for the full job, which was done.
How about your boss comes to you and says , "you got it done early, were docking your pay".
So you become slower and less efficient and all you do is cost more, so time to hire a smart efficient woman.

Complete nonsense. If you make an argument that it's a job then do the comparisons as such. Men are made to play or "work" longer hours 5 sets vs 3. How can they not be more efficient when less work is required?? It would be like a man and woman having the same job and you give the female a 20 hour work load vs giving the man a 40 hour work load. Of course she will finish sooner because the job states she has less to do than the man.

Imagine watching Serena sweat out 5 sets at RG. She would drop out asap!!!!!
 
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insideguy

Legend
This is being debated ad nausem. Lets get to the crux of all of this. For those of you sooooo upset by this Serena spaz out what do you want? What would you like to see happen to her? What would make you happy?
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
There is a reason why women's tour finals has like 2-3 tickets sold per match and almost non existent tv viewership

Reason:WTA is abysmal,lack of depth, tools like Serena who are still permitted to play despite repeated offensive behavior. When pigs are allowed to play, this is what happens.
 

insideguy

Legend
There is a reason why women's tour finals has like 2-3 tickets sold per match and almost non existent tv viewership

Reason:WTA is abysmal,lack of depth, tools like Serena who are still permitted to play despite repeated offensive behavior. When pigs are allowed to play, this is what happens.
The final and other matches that she played were very highly rated. Higher than the mens final. So where are you getting your ratings crap from?
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.

MAUREEN CALLAHAN
OPINION

It’s shameful what US Open did to Naomi Osaka

https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-shameful-what-us-open-did-to-naomi-osaka/

Naomi Osaka, 20 years old, just became the first player from Japan to win a Grand Slam.

Yet rather than cheer Osaka, the crowd, the commentators and US Open officials all expressed shock and grief that Serena Williams lost.

Osaka spent what should have been her victory lap in tears. It had been her childhood dream to make it to the US Open and possibly play against Williams, her idol, in the final.

It’s hard to recall a more unsportsmanlike event.

Here was a young girl who pulled off one of the greatest upsets ever, who fought for every point she earned, ashamed.

At the awards ceremony, Osaka covered her face with her black visor and cried. The crowd booed her. Katrina Adams, chairman and president of the USTA, opened the awards ceremony by denigrating the winner and lionizing Williams — whose ego, if anything, needs piercing.

“Perhaps it’s not the finish we were looking for today,” Adams said, “but Serena, you are a champion of all champions.” Addressing the crowd, Adams added, “This mama is a role model and respected by all.”

That’s not likely the case now, not after the world watched as Serena Williams had a series of epic meltdowns on the court, all sparked when the umpire warned her: No coaching from the side. Her coach was making visible hand signals.

“I don’t cheat to win,” Williams told him. “I’d rather lose.”

She couldn’t let it go, going back multiple times to berate the umpire. At one point she called him a thief.

“You stole a point from me!” she yelled.

After her loss, Williams’s coach admitted to ESPN that he had, in fact, been coaching from the stands, a code violation. The warning was fair.

Everything that followed is on Williams, who is no stranger to tantrums. Most famously, she was tossed from the US Open in 2009 after telling the line judge, “I swear to God I’ll take the f—king ball and shove it down your f—king throat.” John McEnroe was taken aback. Even Williams’s mother, Oracene Price, couldn’t defend her daughter’s outburst.

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“She could have kept her cool,” Price said.

On Saturday, she also could have tried to be gracious in defeat. No matter how her fans try to spin this, Williams was anything but. Upon accepting her finalist award, she gave parsimonious praise to her competitor while telling the crowd she felt their pain.

“Let’s try to make this the best moment we can,” she said in part, “and we’ll get through it . . . let’s not boo anymore. We’re gonna get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi.”

Osaka accepted her trophy while choking back tears. She never smiled. When asked if her childhood dream of playing against Williams matched the reality, she politely sidestepped the question.

“I’m sorry,” Osaka said. “I know that everyone was cheering for her and I’m sorry it had to end like this.”

She turned to Williams. “I’m really grateful I was able to play with you,” Osaka said. “Thank you.” She bowed her head to Williams, and Williams just took it — no reciprocation, no emotion.

Osaka, a young player at the beginning of her career, showed grit, determination and maturity on that court and off.

She earned that trophy. Let’s recall that this wasn’t Osaka’s first victory over Williams — she beat Williams back in March, causing a hiccup in that great comeback narrative.

Osaka earned her moment as victor at the US Open, one that should have been pure joy. If anything was stolen during this match, it was that.
 

Lilwhitelie

New User
The final and other matches that she played were very highly rated. Higher than the mens final. So where are you getting your ratings crap from?
Would you say overall ratings for the entire US OPEN were higher for men's matches or women's??? People that don't watch tennis are watching Serena in the finals to see history. Look at the A listers in the stands. Think they are watching her 1st round matches and can they even name any other player on the women's side?? When she finally retires do you think ratings and viewership will decline?? One positive is people who would have forgotten Osakas name can't because she is getting name dropped everyday now not for winning but for the controversy.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame

MAUREEN CALLAHAN
OPINION

It’s shameful what US Open did to Naomi Osaka

https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-shameful-what-us-open-did-to-naomi-osaka/

Naomi Osaka, 20 years old, just became the first player from Japan to win a Grand Slam.

Yet rather than cheer Osaka, the crowd, the commentators and US Open officials all expressed shock and grief that Serena Williams lost.

Osaka spent what should have been her victory lap in tears. It had been her childhood dream to make it to the US Open and possibly play against Williams, her idol, in the final.

It’s hard to recall a more unsportsmanlike event.

Here was a young girl who pulled off one of the greatest upsets ever, who fought for every point she earned, ashamed.

At the awards ceremony, Osaka covered her face with her black visor and cried. The crowd booed her. Katrina Adams, chairman and president of the USTA, opened the awards ceremony by denigrating the winner and lionizing Williams — whose ego, if anything, needs piercing.

“Perhaps it’s not the finish we were looking for today,” Adams said, “but Serena, you are a champion of all champions.” Addressing the crowd, Adams added, “This mama is a role model and respected by all.”

That’s not likely the case now, not after the world watched as Serena Williams had a series of epic meltdowns on the court, all sparked when the umpire warned her: No coaching from the side. Her coach was making visible hand signals.

“I don’t cheat to win,” Williams told him. “I’d rather lose.”

She couldn’t let it go, going back multiple times to berate the umpire. At one point she called him a thief.

“You stole a point from me!” she yelled.

After her loss, Williams’s coach admitted to ESPN that he had, in fact, been coaching from the stands, a code violation. The warning was fair.

Everything that followed is on Williams, who is no stranger to tantrums. Most famously, she was tossed from the US Open in 2009 after telling the line judge, “I swear to God I’ll take the f—king ball and shove it down your f—king throat.” John McEnroe was taken aback. Even Williams’s mother, Oracene Price, couldn’t defend her daughter’s outburst.

SEE ALSO
Serena has mother of all meltdowns in US Open final loss
“She could have kept her cool,” Price said.

On Saturday, she also could have tried to be gracious in defeat. No matter how her fans try to spin this, Williams was anything but. Upon accepting her finalist award, she gave parsimonious praise to her competitor while telling the crowd she felt their pain.

“Let’s try to make this the best moment we can,” she said in part, “and we’ll get through it . . . let’s not boo anymore. We’re gonna get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi.”

Osaka accepted her trophy while choking back tears. She never smiled. When asked if her childhood dream of playing against Williams matched the reality, she politely sidestepped the question.

“I’m sorry,” Osaka said. “I know that everyone was cheering for her and I’m sorry it had to end like this.”

She turned to Williams. “I’m really grateful I was able to play with you,” Osaka said. “Thank you.” She bowed her head to Williams, and Williams just took it — no reciprocation, no emotion.

Osaka, a young player at the beginning of her career, showed grit, determination and maturity on that court and off.

She earned that trophy. Let’s recall that this wasn’t Osaka’s first victory over Williams — she beat Williams back in March, causing a hiccup in that great comeback narrative.

Osaka earned her moment as victor at the US Open, one that should have been pure joy. If anything was stolen during this match, it was that.
I agree, Osaka is also a victim of the bad call of forfeited game.
 

YourMajesty

New User
It was a shameful moment indeed, and even more shameful what Katrina Adams as head of the USTA said, congratulating Serena for her sportsmanship!

Everyone in the stands and on TV was shocked to see how she berated and aggressed the umpire time and time again. Is this the example the USTA wants to promote to young players?

What amazes me is that nobody talks about the real issue here. Serena realised at the end of the 1st set that her chances of winning were very very slim. She was matched in power, she was not moving well, seemed unbalanced on several rallies, and she was being beaten badly by a young player. So, she started to make a spectacle, and tried to steal the show by attacking Ramos and making it a sexist issue (which it is not) just because she could not win on the court. I have lost a lot of respect for Serena that night. That's not how a true champion behaves, that shows a lack of character and pettiness.

By doing what she did, she also knew very well that Osaka might be influenced and start losing her focus. But she did not, and I believe that made Serena even more determined to attack Carlos Ramos and make her look like a victim. Look poor me, I am going to lose this final because I was wrongly penalised by a sexist male umpire. This is very very bad character.

Serena behaved like a baby, and she has no one else to blame than herself for losing this match. Congrats to Osaka for keeping her cool under such horrible conditions, and for closing it out so easily!


MAUREEN CALLAHAN
OPINION

It’s shameful what US Open did to Naomi Osaka

https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-shameful-what-us-open-did-to-naomi-osaka/

Naomi Osaka, 20 years old, just became the first player from Japan to win a Grand Slam.

Yet rather than cheer Osaka, the crowd, the commentators and US Open officials all expressed shock and grief that Serena Williams lost.

Osaka spent what should have been her victory lap in tears. It had been her childhood dream to make it to the US Open and possibly play against Williams, her idol, in the final.

It’s hard to recall a more unsportsmanlike event.

Here was a young girl who pulled off one of the greatest upsets ever, who fought for every point she earned, ashamed.

At the awards ceremony, Osaka covered her face with her black visor and cried. The crowd booed her. Katrina Adams, chairman and president of the USTA, opened the awards ceremony by denigrating the winner and lionizing Williams — whose ego, if anything, needs piercing.

“Perhaps it’s not the finish we were looking for today,” Adams said, “but Serena, you are a champion of all champions.” Addressing the crowd, Adams added, “This mama is a role model and respected by all.”

That’s not likely the case now, not after the world watched as Serena Williams had a series of epic meltdowns on the court, all sparked when the umpire warned her: No coaching from the side. Her coach was making visible hand signals.

“I don’t cheat to win,” Williams told him. “I’d rather lose.”

She couldn’t let it go, going back multiple times to berate the umpire. At one point she called him a thief.

“You stole a point from me!” she yelled.

After her loss, Williams’s coach admitted to ESPN that he had, in fact, been coaching from the stands, a code violation. The warning was fair.

Everything that followed is on Williams, who is no stranger to tantrums. Most famously, she was tossed from the US Open in 2009 after telling the line judge, “I swear to God I’ll take the f—king ball and shove it down your f—king throat.” John McEnroe was taken aback. Even Williams’s mother, Oracene Price, couldn’t defend her daughter’s outburst.

SEE ALSO
Serena has mother of all meltdowns in US Open final loss
“She could have kept her cool,” Price said.

On Saturday, she also could have tried to be gracious in defeat. No matter how her fans try to spin this, Williams was anything but. Upon accepting her finalist award, she gave parsimonious praise to her competitor while telling the crowd she felt their pain.

“Let’s try to make this the best moment we can,” she said in part, “and we’ll get through it . . . let’s not boo anymore. We’re gonna get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi.”

Osaka accepted her trophy while choking back tears. She never smiled. When asked if her childhood dream of playing against Williams matched the reality, she politely sidestepped the question.

“I’m sorry,” Osaka said. “I know that everyone was cheering for her and I’m sorry it had to end like this.”

She turned to Williams. “I’m really grateful I was able to play with you,” Osaka said. “Thank you.” She bowed her head to Williams, and Williams just took it — no reciprocation, no emotion.

Osaka, a young player at the beginning of her career, showed grit, determination and maturity on that court and off.

She earned that trophy. Let’s recall that this wasn’t Osaka’s first victory over Williams — she beat Williams back in March, causing a hiccup in that great comeback narrative.

Osaka earned her moment as victor at the US Open, one that should have been pure joy. If anything was stolen during this match, it was that.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
It was a shameful moment indeed, and even more shameful what Katrina Adams as head of the USTA said, congratulating Serena for her sportsmanship!

Everyone in the stands and on TV was shocked to see how she berated and aggressed the umpire time and time again. Is this the example the USTA wants to promote to young players?

What amazes me is that nobody talks about the real issue here. Serena realised at the end of the 1st set that her chances of winning were very very slim. She was matched in power, she was not moving well, seemed unbalanced on several rallies, and she was being beaten badly by a young player. So, she started to make a spectacle, and tried to steal the show by attacking Ramos and making it a sexist issue (which it is not) just because she could not win on the court. I have lost a lot of respect for Serena that night. That's not how a true champion behaves, that shows a lack of character and pettiness.

By doing what she did, she also knew very well that Osaka might be influenced and start losing her focus. But she did not, and I believe that made Serena even more determined to attack Carlos Ramos and make her look like a victim. Look poor me, I am going to lose this final because I was wrongly penalised by a sexist male umpire. This is very very bad character.

Serena behaved like a baby, and she has no one else to blame than herself for losing this match. Congrats to Osaka for keeping her cool under such horrible conditions, and for closing it out so easily!
Ramos should have just taken the complaining, in one ear out the other. Instead he chose to impart his authority on the situation, wrong move for this situation.
It was sweet how Osaka nailed that final serve.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
Ramos should have just taken the complaining, in one ear out the other. Instead he chose to impart his authority on the situation, wrong move for this situation.
Calling into question the integrity of an official -- what SW did -- is just about the worst violation in pro tennis. It saddens me that so few people seem to know this.

Challenging the honesty and integrity of an official is "automatic" for the violation. Ramos was calm, cool and professional. (Frankly, I'm astounded he put up with as much as he did.)

It was sweet how Osaka nailed that final serve.
Agreement.
 

YourMajesty

New User
"Yeah, but...."



It's a big disappointment to see so many former stars and "tennis pundits" support SW's putrid behavior. ESPN, the USTA and the WTA have caved to the SW mob. Tim Mayotte, Martina Navratilova, Mary Carillo and others still give me hope. Notably, some of the most rotten actors are silent.
Tim is a great and stand up guy, met him in person once. Martina wrote a very thoughtful piece after the match. Also heard Paul Annacone on TV say he did not support what Serena did.
 

CYGS

Legend
Grand slams are played best of 5 sets in men's, and best of 3 sets in women's. Yet, both men and women players make the same amount of money whether they play 3 sets or 5 sets. Explain us how it makes sense? Assuming you are man, would agree to be paid a given salary for working 5 full days a week, whereas your women colleagues work only 3 days a week for the same salary?
Sexist!!! There's no way around it.
 

YourMajesty

New User
BTW, where is Johnny Mac? Haven't heard from him on this issue. Maybe he's keeping a low profile after being berated by Serena last year for saying she was not the best player of all time.... (he then rectified that she was the best female player, but not the BEST player).
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
BTW, where is Johnny Mac? Haven't heard from him on this issue. Maybe he's keeping a low profile after being berated by Serena last year for saying she was not the best player of all time.... (he then rectified that she was the best female player, but not the BEST player).
A steroid cheat probably doesn't want to chime in on the subject and bring up HIS cheating again.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.

MAUREEN CALLAHAN
OPINION

It’s shameful what US Open did to Naomi Osaka

https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-shameful-what-us-open-did-to-naomi-osaka/

Naomi Osaka, 20 years old, just became the first player from Japan to win a Grand Slam.

Yet rather than cheer Osaka, the crowd, the commentators and US Open officials all expressed shock and grief that Serena Williams lost.

Osaka spent what should have been her victory lap in tears. It had been her childhood dream to make it to the US Open and possibly play against Williams, her idol, in the final.

It’s hard to recall a more unsportsmanlike event.

Here was a young girl who pulled off one of the greatest upsets ever, who fought for every point she earned, ashamed.

At the awards ceremony, Osaka covered her face with her black visor and cried. The crowd booed her. Katrina Adams, chairman and president of the USTA, opened the awards ceremony by denigrating the winner and lionizing Williams — whose ego, if anything, needs piercing.

“Perhaps it’s not the finish we were looking for today,” Adams said, “but Serena, you are a champion of all champions.” Addressing the crowd, Adams added, “This mama is a role model and respected by all.”

That’s not likely the case now, not after the world watched as Serena Williams had a series of epic meltdowns on the court, all sparked when the umpire warned her: No coaching from the side. Her coach was making visible hand signals.

“I don’t cheat to win,” Williams told him. “I’d rather lose.”

She couldn’t let it go, going back multiple times to berate the umpire. At one point she called him a thief.

“You stole a point from me!” she yelled.

After her loss, Williams’s coach admitted to ESPN that he had, in fact, been coaching from the stands, a code violation. The warning was fair.

Everything that followed is on Williams, who is no stranger to tantrums. Most famously, she was tossed from the US Open in 2009 after telling the line judge, “I swear to God I’ll take the f—king ball and shove it down your f—king throat.” John McEnroe was taken aback. Even Williams’s mother, Oracene Price, couldn’t defend her daughter’s outburst.

SEE ALSO
Serena has mother of all meltdowns in US Open final loss
“She could have kept her cool,” Price said.

On Saturday, she also could have tried to be gracious in defeat. No matter how her fans try to spin this, Williams was anything but. Upon accepting her finalist award, she gave parsimonious praise to her competitor while telling the crowd she felt their pain.

“Let’s try to make this the best moment we can,” she said in part, “and we’ll get through it . . . let’s not boo anymore. We’re gonna get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi.”

Osaka accepted her trophy while choking back tears. She never smiled. When asked if her childhood dream of playing against Williams matched the reality, she politely sidestepped the question.

“I’m sorry,” Osaka said. “I know that everyone was cheering for her and I’m sorry it had to end like this.”

She turned to Williams. “I’m really grateful I was able to play with you,” Osaka said. “Thank you.” She bowed her head to Williams, and Williams just took it — no reciprocation, no emotion.

Osaka, a young player at the beginning of her career, showed grit, determination and maturity on that court and off.

She earned that trophy. Let’s recall that this wasn’t Osaka’s first victory over Williams — she beat Williams back in March, causing a hiccup in that great comeback narrative.

Osaka earned her moment as victor at the US Open, one that should have been pure joy. If anything was stolen during this match, it was that.
Calling into question the integrity of an official -- what SW did -- is just about the worst violation in pro tennis. It saddens me that so few people seem to know this.

Challenging the honesty and integrity of an official is "automatic" for the violation. Ramos was calm, cool and professional. (Frankly, I'm astounded he put up with as much as he did.)

Agreement.
It was a shameful moment indeed, and even more shameful what Katrina Adams as head of the USTA said, congratulating Serena for her sportsmanship!

Everyone in the stands and on TV was shocked to see how she berated and aggressed the umpire time and time again. Is this the example the USTA wants to promote to young players?

What amazes me is that nobody talks about the real issue here. Serena realised at the end of the 1st set that her chances of winning were very very slim. She was matched in power, she was not moving well, seemed unbalanced on several rallies, and she was being beaten badly by a young player. So, she started to make a spectacle, and tried to steal the show by attacking Ramos and making it a sexist issue (which it is not) just because she could not win on the court. I have lost a lot of respect for Serena that night. That's not how a true champion behaves, that shows a lack of character and pettiness.

By doing what she did, she also knew very well that Osaka might be influenced and start losing her focus. But she did not, and I believe that made Serena even more determined to attack Carlos Ramos and make her look like a victim. Look poor me, I am going to lose this final because I was wrongly penalised by a sexist male umpire. This is very very bad character.

Serena behaved like a baby, and she has no one else to blame than herself for losing this match. Congrats to Osaka for keeping her cool under such horrible conditions, and for closing it out so easily!
This this and this
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
BTW, where is Johnny Mac? Haven't heard from him on this issue. Maybe he's keeping a low profile after being berated by Serena last year for saying she was not the best player of all time.... (he then rectified that she was the best female player, but not the BEST player).
Mac commented before the Djokovic/Delpo final.. Pretty much sucked up to Serena and played it politically correct.. Said Ramos should have given a soft warning, it's the final of a major and shouldn't have given a game penalty, minimized Serenas behavior.
 

chikoo

Hall of Fame
I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.
WTA Chairperson said this during the award ceremony - "Serena, this is not the outcome we wanted"

nuf said. We know who is scking who.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
I know I would have made it clear to Serena that she was on the verge of a game penalty. Guess there's nothing in the rules for this, but it would have resulted in less drama and a match vinyl with no skip.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
I watched the final between Serena and Osaka, and it is beyond any doubt that Carlos Ramos did his job professionally and did what the code demanded. It is also very clear that Serena was caught cheating by receiving coaching instructions during the match. To the naysayers, before you start to argue this point, go back and watch the beginning of the 2nd set when this happened. Serena looks twice purposely in the direction of her coach who tells her to move forward. Her coach Patrick Moratoglou did not contest this fact, he did recognise he was coaching her.

Carlos Ramos applied the code of conduct, and gave her a warning. What every grown-up tennis player would have done is to accept it, and even apologise to the empire. But no, Serena has to go on a rant about how she never cheated, and she would rather lose than cheat, and how the referee was being unfair .... Guess what Serena, you cheated AND you lost! And btw, the ITF defended the chair umpire for making the correct decision and for following the rules.

Now, the USTA is praising Serena for sportmanship! What? Who are you kidding? The WTA and Billie Jean King, in a typical fashion, were quick to turn this into a sexist issue and claiming that male players break the rules all the time and get away with it. I guess they don't often watch male tennis, because I see warnings and penalties being given very often in male matches. The WTA, whose main purpose is to demean male's tennis, is moreover demanding that conversations about equality between male and female players be imposed in the coming weeks! Why? Because they claim there is NO EQUALITY.

How have you got from a player violating the code of conduct, to an issue of equality between men and women?... that is quite a side shift, right? And it is of course only a distraction to shift focus away from the real issue, which is Serena cheated and tried to cover it up. But it didn't work because Ramos has integrity and did his job professionally. And why did Serena do this? Because she was losing! Plain and simple. No one talks about the fact that she was being outplayed by Osaka, and she started her rant after losing (badly) the 1st set. Was she trying to destabilise young Osaka? Maybe, that's a common tactic among players. Why is the WTA not praising Osaka for her win and even apogizing to her for Serenas behavior? Instead. they decided to make it a sexist issue and side 100% with Serena. Shame.

To the WTA, I will say this, if you are concerned about equality, you should demand that male players be paid according to the amount of work they put on the court. 5 sets vs 3 sets, which is typically double the time on court compared to women. This is indeed very unequal that men should spend twice the time on court (and likely in training too) and be paid the same as players who play a maximum of 3 sets! How come no one ever talks about this?

I also believe Serena needs to apologise to the her opponent, to Carlos Ramos and to her fans for her ugly behavior, nothing else.
I don't know for sure what Serena knew when she looked at her coach - who admitted he was cheating. But its hard to believe she thought it was "thumbs up".

But I think you are totally right about the hypocrisy here, the sallow response of the USTA and the WTA, and the fact she owes Ramos an apology.

Hard to imagine she's going to have a lot of respect in the locker room right now.

She should apologize. That's the best she could do for herself and the sport - and the causes she says she is passionate about.
 
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