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I’m a Roddick fan but yet I can watch the ‘09 Wimbledon final and that was WAY more heartbreaking than any loss Fed has ever had.
Dat BH volley...
I’m a Roddick fan but yet I can watch the ‘09 Wimbledon final and that was WAY more heartbreaking than any loss Fed has ever had.
Mini stats before the final (full stats also available):
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I don’t think that’s what cost him. To me it showed his guts more than he recovered from that and another frustrating TB loss in the next set to do what he did. I wouldn’t take that shot back, I would have Andy get some 2nd serves on his BP’s In the 5th set.Dat BH volley...
I think it will proceed to 6-6 in the 3rd set tiebreak upon which they will embark upon a point that will never end or a point that will never be completed because every time it does, Hawkeye confirms that it has to restart.![]()
But what happens now? Meles goes against Tignor.
Some kind of unsolvable paradox? The universe will implode and there will be no match at all?
I don’t think that’s what cost him. To me it showed his guts more than he recovered from that and another frustrating TB loss in the next set to do what he did. I wouldn’t take that shot back, I would have Andy get some 2nd serves on his BP’s In the 5th set.
Funny thing is I actually have a harder time watching the ‘04 Final for some reason.
No problem with that. But I’ve never thought that was an “easy” volley though, nothing under that kind of pressure is. But he fought back and had his chances, oh well. He showed more to me in that kind of defeat than an more straightforward victory would have.Roddick played his best in 04 and there wasnt this huge superiority established yet. So I understand how it would have been very disappointing at the time after the 1st set and most of the 2nd and how the matchup went from that point forward.
As far as the missed volley in 09, gotta disagree with you there. It might not seem as significant because it wasn't in the final few games and Roddick did recover nicely but if he wins that point by making a club hacker difficulty level volley, it is 2 sets to 0.
I've seen Nadal bamboozled at times against Federer where he looks completely powerless. WTF 2010 finals in the 3rd set, Hamburg 2007, etc. Who knows? I just feel Nadal has pushed his luck at his age to be playing this many matches and having to go to the well quite a few times. Federer looks fresher and should handle Nadal I think.Could very well be. I have some trouble in thinking that Nadal can get mentally and physically worn out though. I understand that today vs. Cilic, Nadal had moments he got away mentally form the match. But he did that safely, and went back in control when needed.
But with Federer, Nadal will be fully concentrated and totally intense throughout the match. I am pretty sure of that. If Fed wins, it will be because he will deserve it, and not because Rafa goes down in intensity.
Shanghai is outdoorFed fans are so confident. Is it by the indoor conditions or the 3-0 in 2017? Isn't Federer playing worse this tournament than the first half of the season?
Forecast tells high probablity of rain, Indoors is more likely.Shanghai is outdoor
Well, you don't speak for general public. Here in Shanghai, if Federer is out, it would mean absolute disaster for the organizer and touts who resell tickets.What do you like so much about Federer's tennis; I don't find it exciting at all. I'm never glued to the TV when he's playing.
do you think Federer felt that way the multiple times Nadal beat him at least 3 times in a row?Lol, in a way you'd have to feel a bit sorry for Nadal if he loses yet again to Federer. I mean he's played a full season so far and also played Beijing last week compared to Roger who picks and chooses his tournaments these days(understandable given his age but still). It's kinda like someone working all the hours God sends and getting no pay increase from his boss and another guy doing only part time hours and reaping all the rewards. You do wonder if Nadal would be thinking along those lines should Fed get the better of him again tomorrow.
i just realized where is our stat guru anyway falstaff?
Just wondering how many of you guys living in America will be watching this match live? It starts at 4.30 in the morning where y'all are!![]()
Shanghai is outdoor
Sorry, but do you have steps run by each at Shanghai ?Mini stats before the final (full stats also available):
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How does this make sense... How does Nadal have less 1st serve returns points won AND less 2nd serve return points won, but in total he's won more return points? Can you explain that please. And also where are the full stats?Mini stats before the final (full stats also available):
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How does this make sense... How does Nadal have less 1st serve returns points won AND less 2nd serve return points won, but in total he's won more return points? Can you explain that please. And also where are the full stats?![]()
Sorry, but do you have steps run by each at Shanghai ?
I'm going to try pulling for both of them from tennis abstract right now. Pretty sure the guy there is Fednatic and he seems to have everything up to date for this match rather than after tournament..... nope the matches are in, but can't pull up totals for such a short period and they wouldn't have return broken out either.I double checked. Those numbers are correct.
That's possible because those stats depend on how their opponents served in each match as well (how many 1st serve points, how many 2nd serve points). Those stats in the mini version are the average. It's not the case with the serve stats.
Here, see it for yourself (pardon the rainbow highlighting):
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Got a good, good looksie at early going with Fed v God Potro and I'm pretty impressed.Rafa has been very good so far, probably good enough to go in as betting favourite and Meles' pick. Unfortunately Tignor has picked Federer, so not the best news for Fed fans there.
On these courts Fed does possess that ability to make Rafa play below his best by pushing him back. He needs to be patient but effective with his shots tomorrow if he wants to bag the title.
I'm going to try pulling for both of them from tennis abstract right now. Pretty sure the guy there is Fednatic and he seems to have everything up to date for this match rather than after tournament..... nope the matches are in, but can't pull up totals for such a short period and they wouldn't have return broken out either.
I see a problem with your individual 2nd serve match numbers versus tennis abstract:
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RafaelNadal&f=Acx2017100220171009qqB0r1
All of Nadal's matches are above 50% on 2nd return at both Shanghai and Beijing.![]()
Er...no. Just fact: it's not an indoor event. Rafa HAS the edge. He's #1 and on a roll.Searching desperately for anything that could give Rafa the edge, even if it's extremely unlikely [emoji23]
Ohhh, I get it. It's because you averaged the percentages right? Why not add up the fractions of each individual match instead? Might be a better means of determining who's better on return.I double checked. Those numbers are correct.
That's possible because those stats depend on how their opponents served in each match as well (how many 1st serve points, how many 2nd serve points). Those stats in the mini version are the average. It's not the case with the serve stats.
Here, see it for yourself (pardon the rainbow highlighting):
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But with 100% chance of rain for today, will it be outdoors???Er...no. Just fact: it's not an indoor event. Rafa HAS the edge. He's #1 and on a roll.
Actually idk.. All's i know is it would be interesting to see it on a point-by-point basis as well as a match-by-match basis.Ohhh, I get it. It's because you averaged the percentages right? Why not add up the fractions of each individual match instead? Might be a better means of determining who's better on return.
Ohhh, I get it. It's because you averaged the percentages right? Why not add up the fractions of each individual match instead? Might be a better means of determining who's better on return.
I guess notBut with 100% chance of rain for today, will it be outdoors???
The hype is strong!Wtf. This was only created 57 mins ago and it's already hit 4 pages.
I'm pretty much just hoping that Fed does what he needs to to keep this form and keep Nadal's hands off the WTF
Still don't understand how come bookies putting money on Nadal to win this. For me it's Federer's surface so he is huge favorite to win this one. Fed in two. Easily. Nadal is gassed with two much tennis.Forecast tells high probablity of rain, Indoors is more likely.
You really need to up your game.Still don't understand how come bookies putting money on Nadal to win this. For me it's Federer's surface so he is huge favorite to win this one. Fed in two. Easily. Nadal is gassed with two much tennis.
Not important, but thanks.Yes I have, but it's a bit messy in my file. So if those basic stats above (my reply to ADuck) are not enough, I could share my sheet with you privately.
And he'd still push your inferiority complex buttons. Fascinating really.I think Federer could be in a wheelchair with both arms amputated and he'll still lead in the polls no matter who it is that he's slated to play. LMAO!!!
Lol. I'm not glued to Federer's matches for a start and unlike you, I do watch players I don't like because I'm a fan of tennis. It's not that I don't like Federer I just can't see what the fuss is about and neither you nor anyone can make me.Please! Your arse is crazy-glued to every Federer match, every Federer article, and all things Federer. For somebody who claims she doesn't like Federer's game and constantly maligns Federer on this board, you certainly seem to be fixated on the guy.I don't watch players I don't like.
I only look at these polls to find out how many fans the players have.And he'd still push your inferiority complex buttons. Fascinating really.
Your arse is crazy-glued to every Federer match,
I'm never glued to the TV when he's playing.
It's pretty even. Fed looked more fresh but he had the longer SF and don't forget that was 4 hours later than Nadal's. So he has less time to receover