Shapo's a comin

I remember a quote from Agassi's father extoling him" to keep hitting those shots as hard as you can...cause one day they will start going in"...and I had to admit I used to watch Shapo and think the same thing....Just saw Shapo knocking the cover off the ball with a Happy Madison like windup and nearly beat Djoker in three, and Nole had to admit this was the tuffest Dennis had played him.....let's hope a little more maturity and experience and we might see an exciting newbie break thru....
 

Hitman

Hall of Fame
Sure hope so, I've been waiting for him to becomes great for 3 years now.
We picked him a while back, didn't we? I saw the insane raw talent in him from the very beginning, the guy has virtually every shot in the book. His issue was the maturity was lacking, he was a little too erratic, but when he will get it together, and it looks like he is starting to now do that, he will become a formidable player.
 

BGod

Legend
Well like with Thiem and Zverev, if Shap doesn't make a Slam Semi in the next 2 seasons, game over.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
The Serbians yelling, whistling and blowing horns during his service motion is what beat him in that match, not Djokovic.

He beat Tsitsipas, thrashed Zverev (yeah, who didn't?) and was honestly unlucky against de Minaur.

Shapo isn't coming, he's here and I expect him to at least make one slam final this year.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Djokovic and Nadal weren’t competing with 3 GOATs when they were 20, just 1
True although if we are honest here, many of the guys in Federer's era weren't lacking talent at all. They just weren't as driven or ambitious. David Nalbandian and Marat Safin were more than capable of blowing anyone off the court. But they cared more about getting laid and enjoying the good life.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
Consistency has improved SO MUCH since taking Youzhney aboard. Super excited to see him progress further - I can see him having as much success as Tsitsipas and Medvedev have had in the past year if he keeps improving his consistency and shot tolerance.
 

King No1e

Legend
Shapovalov has the potential to be a double-digit winner if he gets his consistency and experience up. (And I don't see that potential in anyone else now, not even Tsitsipas). Either that or he has a Safin-like career, inconsistent but unbeatable at times.
 

Fabresque

Professional
Man we talk about this every year, how a young gun is coming cuz they fluked a win over a Big 3 player. This time he didn’t even beat Djokovic yet we’re still on about how amazing he’s going to be this and that.

Give it a rest yeah? It didn’t work with Zverev or Tsitsipas and honestly we don’t know if it will work with Shapo. Just let them work at their own pace. Wawrinka peaked in his 30s, it’s never too late. Not even for Coric or Kyrgios.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I'd pay money to watch Denis Shapovarlov before almost any other (non-Australian) on tour right now. I don't give a damn about wins over big 3, rankings or even slam count. He plays beautiful (even if a little error prone) tennis that most of the top 10 simply don't.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
I'd pay money to watch Denis Shapovarlov before almost any other (non-Australian) on tour right now. I don't give a damn about wins over big 3, rankings or even slam count. He plays beautiful (even if a little error prone) tennis that most of the top 10 simply don't.
Definitely agree. I saw him beat Rafa in Montreal in 2017 live and oh my gawd that was amazing. He has the exciting game, just has to be more consistent for sure.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Man we talk about this every year, how a young gun is coming cuz they fluked a win over a Big 3 player. This time he didn’t even beat Djokovic yet we’re still on about how amazing he’s going to be this and that.

Give it a rest yeah? It didn’t work with Zverev or Tsitsipas and honestly we don’t know if it will work with Shapo. Just let them work at their own pace. Wawrinka peaked in his 30s, it’s never too late. Not even for Coric or Kyrgios.
He doesn’t need to beat Djokodal to get into top 10 tho. Reaching top 10 for his age would be amazing. And if he play better and better... who knows!
 

Fairhit

Semi-Pro
Man we talk about this every year, how a young gun is coming cuz they fluked a win over a Big 3 player. This time he didn’t even beat Djokovic yet we’re still on about how amazing he’s going to be this and that.

Give it a rest yeah? It didn’t work with Zverev or Tsitsipas and honestly we don’t know if it will work with Shapo. Just let them work at their own pace. Wawrinka peaked in his 30s, it’s never too late. Not even for Coric or Kyrgios.
I like his playing style a lot, he's fearless and aggressive, you don't see that today, he's a welcome change from all those ball bashers baseline hugging next gen players, his game is simply put, beautiful, he has all the shots and as I see it, in terms of pure talent and elegant game, he is the true heir of Roger.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I said before that Shapvalov is going to be the Luke Skywalker of tennis. Once he gets it all together, and he is going to, he is going to be the one.
He plays an exciting game, and I hope he starts winning slams, but his weaknesses are too big to ever be someone like Federer or Djokovic or Nadal.

This could help, but I see monster holes in his game that will limit his peak achievements.

1) That one-handed BH return (huge liability for anyone) is compounded by average return instincts (unlike someone like Federer who has good return instincts and serve reading ability that help ameliorate for a weaker 1 handed Bh return). A one-handed return is a liability for anyone compared to a two-handed, but when you also have mediocre return instincts that I’ve never seen improved into good ones, you’ll have issues. He was 40th on tour in return points won (RPW), and 44th in RPW in play, primarily because of how ineffective he was returning on the deuce court when the opponent went out wide on him.

Additionally, being a lefty means righty opponents (vast majority of the tour) target it on the first point of each service game on the righty server’s stronger side (the deuce court) whereas he, as a lefty has to start serve on the deuce as well, a lefty’s weaker serve side.

2. Average defense and movement and court positioning and instinct. He can get better here with a good coach. Lundgren and Roche helped Federer’s footwork improve and as it did, so did his Bh. Shapovalov’s BH defense is mediocre at best, and he winds up hitting way too many “go for broke” BHs while out of position on court instead of playing slices that help him get back in the point.

3. Going for too much on first serve when he’s not tall enough to do so. Stan and Baggy also have this issue as they want to serve like they’re 6’4 but they’re 6’ and under.

Now, with a hot serving day, zoning with the FH and non defense BHs, he might be able to win slams after the big 3 are gone if everything breaks his way, but those holes in his game are mostly technical and not mental.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
He has basically the opposite problem to most from his gen, who lack weapons and creativity on court. He has weapons and game for days, he is just inconsistent. There's two paths he could take, he could never quite be able to reign things in and end up a Tsonga-like player, or it could all start clicking and he could be a multi-slam champion. He's made the best strides of his career in the past few months, it will be interesting to see what he does this year.
 

Toronto11

New User
He has learned how to disguise his toss and even Novak struggled with it. Youzhny has made a huge difference in his game. He could make some real noise this year on the hard courts.
 

fundrazer

Legend
He has basically the opposite problem to most from his gen, who lack weapons and creativity on court. He has weapons and game for days, he is just inconsistent. There's two paths he could take, he could never quite be able to reign things in and end up a Tsonga-like player, or it could all start clicking and he could be a multi-slam champion. He's made the best strides of his career in the past few months, it will be interesting to see what he does this year.
This is why I like his game, and also why I was confused that so many people thought Felix was gonna surpass him. For me there isn't anything that Felix really has over the other topspin baseliners. They all like to rally while Shapo looks to set up easy points, and he does this extremely well on serve.

I think with the current field he will definitely win slams at some point, but we will see.
 

RelentlessAttack

Professional
This is why I like his game, and also why I was confused that so many people thought Felix was gonna surpass him. For me there isn't anything that Felix really has over the other topspin baseliners. They all like to rally while Shapo looks to set up easy points, and he does this extremely well on serve.

I think with the current field he will definitely win slams at some point, but we will see.
Felix has a better ROS and better movement and defense, meanwhile can attack from both wings. His problems are mental, otherwise he has a top 10-15 game already.[/QUOTE]
 

Gerco

Rookie
I think Yuzhny told him "dude just don´t overhit and you´ll start winning" hahaha... That and reducing the DF = success!!!
 
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