Shapovalov is the only barrier to a #4 Fedovic final

RoS

Rookie
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
 

mehdimike

Hall of Fame
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
Unless Rafa rises out of the RG ashes. One can only dream:giggle:
 

RF6777

Semi-Pro
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.

Shapalopov will face djojovic in SF & not on QF
 

Krish0608

G.O.A.T.
Shapovalov is not getting a set against Novak. Let’s be realistic. It’s his worst Big 3 match up. And Federer is the underdog in every single match he plays. Hurkacz or FAA/Berr have a good chance of knocking him out. So while Nole will be there next Sunday, 100%, I highly doubt Fed will be able to make it that far. And even if he does get there by some miracle, I don’t think he’ll have much left in the tank. We’ll see.
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.

Djokovic will still need the 21st slam for most ppl
 

pj80

Legend
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
but Djokovic has the game to beat shapo too....6-0 h2h
 
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Jai

Professional
but Djokovic has the game to beat shapo too....6-0 h2h
True. Novak should win, but could be a bit tricky. Shapo has been moving well and serving well. Novak knows well how to play him though, as the h2h shows, so let's see. :) Hope there aren't any surprises!
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
Not so fast with Federer. Who thought he would lose to Tsonga in 2011 or Anderson in 2018? Even at his prime on grass, he wasn't unbeatable. This year he lacks matchs and as good as he is his level is below 2011 and 2018. Hurkacz, Berrettini have massive serves et can play long rallyies too. Auger just beat him 2 weeks ago. I am not ready to say Federer is a lock for the final.

In Djokovic's draw, I agree Shapopalov seems to be the only one who has a chance. Needs to win the QF first.
 

T007

Hall of Fame
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
Hurkcaz and bigmanttini still bigger threat than fuscovis and El Shapo.

Djokovics place is confirmed but Federer still in doubt given his fitness. They are high chances that he could play 5 setters in next 2 rounds
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
Most likely outcome. Shapo is NOT beating Novak. And mugs such as HH/Berr are also NOT beating Fed.
It will be a Fed vs Novak final. And the result would be a straight sets for Novak IMO.
At the end of the day both Novak and Fed got powder puff draws. The next gen eliminated themselves. LOL.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
How is it that under one of your scenerios (Shapo wins) that Shapo beats Djokovic but has no chance against Federer?
 

RoS

Rookie
How is it that under one of your scenerios (Shapo wins) that Shapo beats Djokovic but has no chance against Federer?

Question of match-up. Federer would take time away from Shapovalov and can bamboozl him with variety. And Shapovalov would struggle to break Federer serve (not he is better against Djokovic serve that said)
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
Djokovic/Shapo-Firebrand SF is the highest quality match that could occur from the potential combination permutations left in the can. Who wants it the most?
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
Ah....Young Skywalker....The New Hope.

Nice....You made him
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Can He ?
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Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Shapovalov is not getting a set against Novak. Let’s be realistic. It’s his worst Big 3 match up. And Federer is the underdog in every single match he plays. Hurkacz or FAA/Berr have a good chance of knocking him out. So while Nole will be there next Sunday, 100%, I highly doubt Fed will be able to make it that far. And even if he does get there by some miracle, I don’t think he’ll have much left in the tank. We’ll see.

I might've agreed with this at the start of the tournament when we had no idea where Federer was at form wise and with his knee/fitness, but I don't think it's true anymore. Sure, nothing is a lock for Federer the way it used to be even going back just 2-3 years ago, but it's also true that not a single soul on this forum would or should be surprised to see Federer in a final given that a bunch of choking next genners are in his way. I was more afraid of Cilic than any of these losers.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Fed's draw is much more dangerous than Novak's, c'mon. He plays FUCSOVICS IN THE QFs OF A SLAM FFS

FAA is a potential HoFer, youngest player to ever score an ATP point. HH is peaking this year after winning Miami. And Berrettini has rendered the "Berrettini Open" meme obsolete with two grass titles including one this yr.

Fucsovics has one career title and it was on clay three years ago. C'mon,ok
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed's draw is much more dangerous than Novak's, c'mon. He plays FUCSOVICS IN THE QFs OF A SLAM FFS

FAA is a potential HoFer, youngest player to ever score an ATP point. HH is peaking this year after winning Miami. And Berrettini has rendered the "Berrettini Open" meme obsolete with two grass titles including one this yr.

Fucsovics has one career title and it was on clay three years ago. C'mon,ok

Don't oversell it. FAA is nothing but potential at this point. No one would be surprised to see Federer beat FAA. If you're really surprised it just means that you're massively overrating FAA at this point in his career, or you're underrating Federer a little bit. Berrettini I can give you based on form, but Federer did beat him pretty badly here a couple years ago. Both guys have pretty easy draws. I bet if you looked at real odds done by a proper sports betting site the odds of a Federer-Djokovic final beat the odds of any other final.
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
You have to understand this is the last stronghold of Federer, Roger (no middle initial)
And Djokovic is utterly driven by the hunger...

And Shapovalov stands in the line

This time it is utterly important who is the last man standing, not just another tourney............

Not even just another AELTC
Everything hangs on the line
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed's draw is much more dangerous than Novak's, c'mon. He plays FUCSOVICS IN THE QFs OF A SLAM FFS

FAA is a potential HoFer, youngest player to ever score an ATP point. HH is peaking this year after winning Miami. And Berrettini has rendered the "Berrettini Open" meme obsolete with two grass titles including one this yr.

Fucsovics has one career title and it was on clay three years ago. C'mon,ok
I like how you're hyping up Hurkacz even though he has been in bad form since winning Miami, including losses to #154 Botic van de Zandschulp at Roland Garros and #335 Dominic Stricker in Stuttgart. Hurkacz and Berrettini have suspect movement, and there are few who can exploit that as well as Fed.

I see FAA as the biggest threat to Federer reaching the final. I also think it would be poetic if we saw a passing of the torch from Federer to FAA, like from Sampras to Federer 20 years ago on the same court
 
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King No1e

G.O.A.T.
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
Counting on Shapovalov to beat Djokovic but lose to Federer? You're playing with fire there, buddy.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Counting on Shapovalov to beat Djokovic but lose to Federer? You're playing with fire there, buddy.

Nd you expect Shapovalov to beat a 8 time champion and 4 times finalist who is playing his 13th final after beating Berretini in the semis ?

Even you've playing with fire there, buddy.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Nd you expect Shapovalov to beat a 8 time champion and 4 times finalist who is playing his 13th final after beating Berretini in the semis ?

Even you've playing with fire there, buddy.


Well, Nole is playing better than Fed -- on average. It's more about the matchup for me. They have only played once, which is in Fed's favor. However, IF Shapo beats Nole, he should be very high on confidence because Nole has beaten him 6 times straight.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
With Medvedev out, Federer has a Mickey Mouse draw with only green Hurkacz and Berrettini to reach his #13 Wimbledon Final.

Hurkacz will choke - or bend over - against Federer, and do you remember the infamous beatdown two years ago against Berrettini ? The italian will fare better of course but it will be still a 3-4 sets win for Federer.

Shapovalov is the only one to have the game and the balls to beat Djokovic and avoid a Fedovic final (and we know how a Fedovic final will finish : a formality for Djokovic). Kachanov is a mug of the highest order and no way Fucsovics beat him.

It's simple :

- If Shapovalov wins : #21 for Federer with a routine win against Shapovalov and GOAT status protected.
- If Shapovalov lose : #20 for Djokovic with a routine win against Federer and GOAT status cemented with the DCGS and weeks of #1. And 0-4 for Federer against his biggest rival in Wimbledon Finals.
lol
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I like how you're hyping up Hurkacz even though he has been in bad form since winning Miami, including losses to #154 Botic van de Zandschulp at Roland Garros and #335 Dominic Stricker in Stuttgart. Hurkacz and Berrettini have suspect movement, and there are few who can exploit that as well as Fed.

I see FAA as the biggest threat to Federer reaching the final. I also think it would be poetic if we saw a passing of the torch from Federer to FAA, like from Sampras to Federer 20 years ago on the same court

I have great and bittersweet memories of watching HH play so I probably should have said he peaked AT Miami this year.

Yeah those guys don't move great but on grass it might not matter if Fed can't hit through them.

But still, Fucsovics is the worst player left in the draw by a large margin and rankings/titles this year reflect that. MB is ranked 9, HH is ranked 16. Fucsovics is ranked #48.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
But still, Fucsovics is the worst player left in the draw by a large margin and rankings/titles this year reflect that. MB is ranked 9, HH is ranked 16. Fucsovics is ranked #48.
It was as supposed to be Rublev but Marton played a great match. The question is, can he back that up?
 
Don't oversell it. FAA is nothing but potential at this point. No one would be surprised to see Federer beat FAA. If you're really surprised it just means that you're massively overrating FAA at this point in his career, or you're underrating Federer a little bit. Berrettini I can give you based on form, but Federer did beat him pretty badly here a couple years ago. Both guys have pretty easy draws. I bet if you looked at real odds done by a proper sports betting site the odds of a Federer-Djokovic final beat the odds of any other final.

Paddy Power has both Djokovic v Federer and Djokovic v Berrettini at 15/8.

Side note: all four permutations involving Djokovic are far shorter odds than are any of the 12 permutations not involving Djokovic. Least likely potential final involving Djokovic is him v Hurkacz at 15/2. Most likely potential final not involving Djokovic is Shapovalov v Federer at 17/1. For some reason, I can't find odds for Shapovalov v Berrettini.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Don't oversell it. FAA is nothing but potential at this point. No one would be surprised to see Federer beat FAA. If you're really surprised it just means that you're massively overrating FAA at this point in his career, or you're underrating Federer a little bit. Berrettini I can give you based on form, but Federer did beat him pretty badly here a couple years ago. Both guys have pretty easy draws. I bet if you looked at real odds done by a proper sports betting site the odds of a Federer-Djokovic final beat the odds of any other final.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Fed beat FAA and would breathe a huge sigh of relief.

But, he's already lost to him this year, and in the past few years it's become more common for him to have random letdowns and lose to a Kokk or Milkman or Basilashvili. FAA has a much higher ceiling than any of those guys, and if he starts to scratch that ceiling during this match, Roger is gonna have a really tough time putting him away.
 
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