Apun94
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Did he skip olympics or did he not make the canadian tennis contingent?
Shapovalov Joins the Hateful Eight
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zagor
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He had a right to be pissed off that time, Nadal routinely refuses to play at a server's pace, especially on big points. Shapo was mad Nadal wasn't ready to receive after 45 seconds.
Umpires are one thing (they're afraid they won't umpire big matches) but I never understood why players let Nadal get away with that crap and were so buddy buddy with him. Fed complained a few times but it was mostly tame overall. Think top players would have been way more hostile to Nadal in the 80s and 90s (Becker, Agassi, Courier, even Sampras).
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Nope. If anything Ben was trying to convince the umpire to continue the match. He was literally siding with Shapo. See the whole episode. Also see their handshakes at the end, extremely friendly handshake. Ben was literally sympathising with Shapo
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Why does chair ump need to call out supervisor? Can chair ump not make a ruling on his own?
Trailing Ben Shelton by a set and 3-5 in the second-set tiebreaker, Shapovalov netted a backhand that put him in a triple-match point deficit.
Before Shelton could serve it out, though, the Canadian appeared to utter an expletive in the direction of a fan.
Chair umpire Greg Allensworth immediately called the supervisor to the court and it did not take long for Shapovalov to be defaulted.
There was a semi match in Texas in which 40 year old Rosewall was dominating Nastase for a set and a half. In the second set Ille began complaining about any point he lost so after a few games he walked off the court to quit the match. The officials begged him for over 15 minutes to continue the match, which he did. According to the announcer, Rosewall could have left the court a winner as Nastase was off the court beyond the rules limits. Nastase finally returned to the match and won because Ken's momentum was gone, and he was furious with the situation. In reality, Nastase should have been disqualified, but was not. Fortunately, perhaps due the crowd's rooting against him, Ille lost the final.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Denis Shapovalov announced his withdrawal from the French Open doubles and the upcoming Olympics due to a knee injury. Shapovalov explained that the decision to pull out was driven by the need to manage his knee condition and avoid further complications during the grass season.
“I’ve been starting to feel my knee again, playing in these conditions. I need to be smart about it,” Shapovalov stated. His focus is on ensuring he remains fit for the grass court season, which is crucial for his rankings and performance.
Shapovalov also revealed that he has decided not to participate in the Olympics this year, prioritizing the need to chase ranking points. “It’s a very tough decision. It sucks to miss the Games again, but this is the situation I’m in right now,” he said.
junior74
Bionic Poster
When the umpire says "time", you have to play. Nadal didn't. Shapo was ready to serve, but Nadal sat in his chair doing something - and got away with it...
The world easiest job is to critize other people
The world hardest job is to change ourself
Hard on yourself, easy on others, buddy
One doesn't kill a person makes him stronger
One should be strong not hard, soft but not week
A person learns more from his mistakes than by his own intelligence
The world hardest job is to change ourself
Hard on yourself, easy on others, buddy
One doesn't kill a person makes him stronger
One should be strong not hard, soft but not week
A person learns more from his mistakes than by his own intelligence
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Maybe he was saying he heard the spectator.
Hehe. The things the top stars get away with!Not sure what he said. But it must have been something worse than "now you will all suck my d1ck" or he would be allowed to play on
Nole Ivanisevic
Rookie
There are three other very famous people I can think of who could be on the list, but they're too famous to be mentioned.
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Bro what does any of this have to do with shelton?Why does chair ump need to call out supervisor? Can chair ump not make a ruling on his own?
Trailing Ben Shelton by a set and 3-5 in the second-set tiebreaker, Shapovalov netted a backhand that put him in a triple-match point deficit.
Before Shelton could serve it out, though, the Canadian appeared to utter an expletive in the direction of a fan.
Chair umpire Greg Allensworth immediately called the supervisor to the court and it did not take long for Shapovalov to be defaulted.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
This is a separate question. We can walk and chew gum.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Nothing at all, but a certain person will try to make it about Shelton for....reasons.
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pirhaksar
Professional
I am glad Ben stood up for his colleague. Its easy for us to say Dennis should be professional and keep cool but we don’t know what the spectator said, not everyone can take crap unfazed especially in the midst of high adrenaline battle.hopefully the spectator also gets sent home, these idiots spoil it for the vast majority who are enjoying and having a good time.
zagor
Bionic Poster
It was a good look for Shelton in my book, definitely. Hope to see him crack top 10 (probably won't happen this year because USO SF points), he has a fun, dynamic game and personality. I've always liked to have few big serving gun slingers in top 10, just to shake up the match-up dynamics a bit.
I don't know what you want to achieve by questioning my experiences in tennis but feel you are trying to discredit me with your approach here. I don't think there's a need to do that now. I thought I agreed that Dennis could've pointed to the umpire what his issues were but didn't. One thing we need to consider is how tough for a player complaining about some rowdy spectators it may be. Shouldn't we give a benefit of doubt to Shapo for not knowing which spectators heckled him? Shouldn't we allow the notion that Dennis tried to focus on his close match in a rude environment which the organizers failed to contain?
I recall Tsitsi having one or a few spectators close behind him immitating a bee everytime he tossed a ball for his service once. It wasn't easy for him to point to the right people who heckled him. You can imagine how tough it is to pay attention to your game as well as to a few hundered people behind your baseline, can't you?
To give you an idea how much of an experience I have, let me say that I played tennis, trained my son who is playing junior ITF and Futures too. I have basically spent all my money and energy that I have had on tennis as well as most of my valuable time on the courts. Spectators zzzzed like bees and sneezed at his service toss when my son played before; so, I can related to what Tsitsi had to go through. Spectators bullied me a few times before and my son recently on a few occassions. Behaviors like that influence rallies, games and whole matches. Sure players can complain to the umpire but not always they know whom to point out and not always umpires are willing to act accordingly.
Be judgemental if you want as it's your TTW right to be; just consider how much money those pro players have spent, how much effort they have made to be where they are. If you think that umpires and their supervisors have done more, spend more and have more skills and talent than those so hot-tempered players that to some judgemental individuals they to be treated the way they are, so be it.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Nonsense. After Shapo missed the shot, he was down triple match point.
Instead of focusing on the match at hand, Shapo then threw the racket. After he threw the racket, the spectator said something.
Shapo brought it on himself.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
The only "Nonsense" on TTW seems to be you at the moment. Sad people like you can take advantage of the internet and type all sorts of drivel whenever they feel they like it.
I'm quite surprised at the anti-Shapovalov sentiment here. Over on Reddit, the consensus is that the umpire was way out of line and what Shapo did wasn't nearly bad enough to get defaulted. Especially compared to what some other players have said and done without getting defaulted. I guess we've reached the point where r/tennis is much more knowledgeable than posters here.
Great logic: because Medvedev wasn't punished, other players should get punished more harshly. Great job man. Why aren't you a judge?Whoah, it sounds like he screamed "fu" to the supervisor right in his face after the default! Guessing we could be seeing the largest fine of the year, perhaps a suspension.
After Medvedev got away with saying FU, FU, you piece of S to the umpire in the W SF, I think it's time to start putting down the hammer more harshly on these kids.
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Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
It was pointed out to you that Shapo threw the racket before any spectator had said anything.
If Shapo does not throw the racket spectators do not even get involved.
Yet you claim that spectators somehow prevented from focusing on the match. You stated a falsehood. That's all.
This is pure misinformation. Shelton was fighting for Shapovalov NOT to get disqualified. Did ANY of you even watch the video of the incident? You know this is readily available, right? Delete your comment (and your account while you're at it)
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helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I take your point that videos lack context. But on the other hand, why does it matter what the spectator said? Aren't sports stars responsible for handling themselves regardless of spectator heckling? I don't think there would be a reason that might justify Shapovalov swearing at the spectator, no matter how unkind the spectator was.
in 1995, the French footballer Eric Cantona got an eight-month suspension from football for physically attacking a spectator. The spectator had sworn xenophobic abuse at him. (He shouted, "F*** off back to France, you f***ing French f***ot," as I recall. Cantona's Wiki page says that it was, "F*** off back to France, you French b*stard." I don't think that's right. But, either way, it was a horrible and xenophobic thing to say. Perhaps homophobic, too, though Cantona isn't gay and unlike other straight footballers of the time - such as Graeme Le Saux - wasn't frequently subjected to homophobic abuse). Cantona jumped into the stands and kung fu kicked the spectator. He got banned for eight months.
Now, obviously, physically attacking someone is much more of an overreaction than swearing at them. But the provocation was I think pretty strong in Cantona's case. In addition, it came at a time of heightened emotion for him, as he had just been sent off by the referee and was walking back to the locker room.
Anyway, this incident isn't exactly parallel to the Shapovalov one last night, and one can disagree with the verdict in the Cantona case. But I just use it as an example of sporting authorities not regarding spectator provocation as justifying, or even excusing, a reaction from sporting stars.
It was pointed out to you that you supply nonsense to the board and yet you keep coming with your drivel to the boards. I have tried to support you, respect you for some of your posts had a value. But you seem so unstable as some of those tennis players may be. I am not your bully so relax. She said he said you claim I claim....Good Bye
If the spectator(s) heckle a tennis player, they are to be dealt with by the officials and organizers. Pro tennis players are supposed to bring their bully-spectators to the attention of the umpire which is what according to sources Shapo hasn't done. If you don't think there is a reason justifying Shapo's behavior, so be it; I have provided a point of view in a previous post how Dennis may not have been able to point to the bullies but you can ignore that as you have your rights within the honorable TTW. I see your easygoing attitude towards spectators ingorant with all due respect. Like I said before, tennis isn't hockey where fans are free to scream anything at any time.
Larry Duff
G.O.A.T.
Would Maude give you a TW ban for the same behavior?
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
From the evidence, Denis was hot headed/stupid. Got punished, life moves on. He can play with flair, enjoy his game when on, so hope he will play again soon. Kudos to Ben for speaking out.
Double standards on the ATP tour existed before, and seems to continue. Farcical.
Double standards on the ATP tour existed before, and seems to continue. Farcical.
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helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Yes, he would certainly be entitled to bring a spectator's behavior to the attention of the umpire and even to ask for the spectator to be thrown out. That is certainly true. But it doesn't follow that he would be entitled to swear back - swearing back is the equivalent of vigilante justice, whereas reporting them to the umpire is the equivalent of reporting a matter to the police. So, there might very well be a good reason for Shapovalov to be upset with the spectator, and to ask for formal procedures be taken to have them punished, but that wouldn't justify his behavior of swearing at them, no.
I wouldn't be surprised if this gets somewhat ironed out after the tournament and he ends up keeping his ranking points/prize money much like happened with Rublev earlier this year especially if there was clear provocation and tournament officials didn't intervene if he had informed them during the match of the issue but who knows...
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Well that was like the biggest match of all time at the time(only slightly exaggerating) so yeah he probably got some leeway that day. And he didn't say fu
Which match was this? Presumably one of the P. McEnroe/Krickstein/Haarhuis ones, given that the Schapers/Novacek/Courier ones weren't close enough to warrant you calling it the biggest match of all time, even though the last of them was a slam SF. Krickstein?
Krickstein had a great five-set record and thrice beat my favorite in five sets in a slam (83 US Open, 88 US Open, 95 Australian Open - the last one from 0-2 behind and en route to his SF appearance; he also beat Volkov from 0-2 behind en route to the US Open SFs in 89), so that was an especially great achievement for Connors. It also stopped Krickstein from making his fourth straight QF at the US Open.
I saw Krickstein play live at Wimbledon 95 and actually saw him twice at that event! I was at his first round win over Christian Bergstrom, who had made the QFs in 94 (I was at his loss against Becker on the old Court 1, too) and who again was up 2-0, and at his fourth round loss against Yevgeny Kafelnikov. IIRC, both matches were on court 14. The Kafelnikov one certainly was. Bergstrom one might have been on one of the more outside courts.
Court 14 was a side show court then, as it was before the new court 18 was opened, and was roughly equivalent to court 18 today. Back then, the show courts were CC, C1, C2, C3, C13, C14, but they then replaced 13 with 12 and 14 with 18.
junior74
Bionic Poster
I saw Shelton - Sinner in Wimbledon, and I became an instant Shelton fan. Incredible action on his shots, his tennis is very enjoyable and impressive to watch. And he seemed like a super nice guy on court (as did Sinner). I had never seen a 150 mph serve before, and it was almost shocking! Go, Ben!
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
No one will notice he gone anyways
I struggle to have too much sympathy for these top players dealing with hecklers when minimum-wage fast food/retail/customer service workers often cop even more abuse on a daily basis, for little pay and zero glory. And as stated above in this thread, there are mechanisms for dealing with these situations. Everyone can, and should, learn to control their emotions enough to be able to calmly inform the chair umpire of any unruly spectators, rather than being sucked into a ****-slinging contest with a stranger. Shapo’s not new to the tour anymore. He’s had plenty of time to learn to control his outbursts and seems uninterested in doing so.
Maybe a default was excessive in this case – I don’t know. It’s certainly a conversation worth having, where we as a sport want to draw the line of truly unacceptable unsportsmanlike conduct. Same with the ball-slapping that always sets off conversations on sites like this. Personally, I lean toward umpires expecting these athletes to be the competent adults that they are and not indulging nearly as much of the racquet smashing/throwing, ball-slapping, yelling, swearing, etc. as they often do currently. But regardless, a clearer sense of where the line truly is and consistently enforcing it would be ideal, wherever that line ends up.
Maybe a default was excessive in this case – I don’t know. It’s certainly a conversation worth having, where we as a sport want to draw the line of truly unacceptable unsportsmanlike conduct. Same with the ball-slapping that always sets off conversations on sites like this. Personally, I lean toward umpires expecting these athletes to be the competent adults that they are and not indulging nearly as much of the racquet smashing/throwing, ball-slapping, yelling, swearing, etc. as they often do currently. But regardless, a clearer sense of where the line truly is and consistently enforcing it would be ideal, wherever that line ends up.
Yes, the culpability of the officials and their organizers.
It's possible - but just hypothetical at this point, but if he had raised the issue and they failed to intervene and then defaulted him then I would say there's maybe an issue there (also i'm not clear if he had point penalties etc... to that point for other code violations and this was his final violation leading to the default)
This 100%.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Indeed, and it would be laughable even without any knowledge of career achievements.
InsuranceMan
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