Shapovalov serves 26 aces and still loses QF against PCB

If PCB wins the US Open 2020, would you consider his win legitimate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 83.6%
  • No

    Votes: 11 16.4%

  • Total voters
    67

conjoshruk

Semi-Pro
Just saw the result of the match, Shapo served 26 aces and still lost! Credit to Pablo Carreno Busta for making the best out of the opportunity he's been given. How will you guys feel if he beats Zverev in the SF and beats whoever he faces in the final. Will you see this slam win as legit, or does the whole Djokovic being defaulting mean that, its of a lesser value/significance?
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Just saw the result of the match, Shapo served 26 aces and still lost! Credit to Pablo Carreno Busta for making the best out of the opportunity he's been given. How will you guys feel if he beats Zverev in the SF and beats whoever he faces in the final. Will you see this slam win as legit, or does the whole Djokovic being defaulting mean that, its of a lesser value/significance?
Did not see the Joker PCB match.
If there was no DQ, PCB is serving for the first set and likely goes up 1-0.
Does PCB then go on to win the match.
:unsure:
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Interestingly enough, Shaps also won a set 6-0, and still lost the match. It's obviously happened before, but I wonder how often in a men's match (best of 3 or 5) that one player wins a set 6-0, but goes on to lose that match.
This has actually happened pretty often (so much, in fact, that if you're going to win a set 6-0, it's best if it's the last one of the match, lol).

As for high aces counts leading to defeats, not even approching the more obvious (ie Mahut in his Isner match at Wimby) and the ace machines like Karlovic et al, Joachim Johansson once lost a 4-set match in which he served 51 aces vs Agassi.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Buster took the set off to prepare for the fifth. It's a well know strategy used also by great players like Sock and Djokovic.
Oh yeah, I could tell after he got broken the second time that he just tossed that set away pretty quickly. I'm not surprised with that mentality once you go down a double break in a set, it's pretty much done and dusted at that point. I figured he'd just regroup and gear up for the 5th set at that point.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Interestingly enough, Shaps also won a set 6-0, and still lost the match. It's obviously happened before, but I wonder how often in a men's match (best of 3 or 5) that one player wins a set 6-0, but goes on to lose that match.
Nadal won the third set of the 2008 French Open final against Federer 6-0, but Fed went on to morally win the title.

Nadal in Doha 2010 then finally achieved the seemingly-impossible and won a set 6-0 against Davydenko and went on to morally win the match.
 

conjoshruk

Semi-Pro
I get it wasn't PCB's fault that Nole got defaulted, but I personally wouldn't see him winning the US Open as legitimate. Considering the chances of him beating Nole were pretty slim. Even if he had won that first set, Djokovic would have come back to win most likely.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
The courts are slow this year, and Shap was playing a more mature player, still Shap showed some fight and did well in this tournament on a surface which does not help him.

The big hitters are at a disadvantage with this new cushioned surface. Is this the new clay?
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I get it wasn't PCB's fault that Nole got defaulted, but I personally wouldn't see him winning the US Open as legitimate. Considering the chances of him beating Nole were pretty slim. Even if he had won that first set, Djokovic would have come back to win most likely.
Imagine blaming the surface for not beating Carreno Busta.

They could've played on 1 second glue and Shapo should still win this
 

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
So Djokovic made 100 errors and still won
That was against Simon right? Pretty impressive he could win despite playing that badly.

Shapo has one of the best serves on tour for a regular sized player. If he can improve his return and tidy up the errors he will be great. Then again same story for the last 2 years...
 

I Am Finnish

Talk Tennis Guru
That was against Simon right? Pretty impressive he could win despite playing that badly.

Shapo has one of the best serves on tour for a regular sized player. If he can improve his return and tidy up the errors he will be great. Then again same story for the last 2 years...
Yes, Simon was not that good either
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Got a message from a friend who summed the match up thus:

It was all on Shapo's racquet. He was very hot and cold. Unplayable early in the 4th, went up 2 breaks and PCB tanked then took an MTO. That seemed to break Shapo's concentration and PCB made the most miraculous recovery (as if nothing was ever wrong with him ;) ). Shapo never got hot again, match done. Another excellent strategic MTO.

He knows his tennis, so I have no doubt it's correct. Who saw it?
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
Did anyone else get really sick of the director showing Shapo's mother's face between every other point throughout the match?
I guess they do this regularly with family members, but. Please stop.
It was weird when she had a new pair of shoes for him, and then she stood up in the aisle for an entire game waiting to give them to him
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Got a message from a friend who summed the match up thus:

It was all on Shapo's racquet. He was very hot and cold. Unplayable early in the 4th, went up 2 breaks and PCB tanked then took an MTO. That seemed to break Shapo's concentration and PCB made the most miraculous recovery (as if nothing was ever wrong with him ;) ). Shapo never got hot again, match done. Another excellent strategic MTO.

He knows his tennis, so I have no doubt it's correct. Who saw it?
He’s correct about it being on Shapos racquet. He was in control all night. But he couldn’t stop spraying balls on important points (76 unforced errors) or serving double faults at the worst times. There were lots of ebbs and flows in the match so I don’t think the fifth was a lack of concentration. It was pretty obvious to the viewers PCB was saving himself for the fifth because the set was lost. But PCB created over twenty break chances over the course of the match so the fifth was always going to be hotly contested regardless of the bagel which PCB basically donated once he got broken twice.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
It is extremely demoralising to see a quality player with so much potential lose to someone like PCB. 26 aces, 76 winners, 70 net approaches....Reminds me of Brazil football (soccer) team in 80s, flashy, attractive football, quality players, you name it....yet still lose.

If PCB is the future of tennis, once Fed (or should I say the Big 3) retires, the sport is heading for a gloomy period.
 

40L0VE

Semi-Pro
This is the result I was half expecting. Thiem has been criticized for going for too much on too many shots but Shapovalov makes Thiem's play look conservative. No biggie if people disagree.
 

Swingmaster

Professional
I get it wasn't PCB's fault that Nole got defaulted, but I personally wouldn't see him winning the US Open as legitimate. Considering the chances of him beating Nole were pretty slim. Even if he had won that first set, Djokovic would have come back to win most likely.
Yeah, but taking out Zverev and Medvedev/Thiem would be pretty impressive. Let’s hope that doesn’t come to pass. Well, I don’t care about Zverev.
I guess we should feel good for a grinder like Busta, but there’s something off putting about him. Is his face too smooth?
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Shapovalov is disappointing. I think he didn't even dream about facing Busta instead of Djokovic in the 1/4 final, yet it happened. And he STILL lost.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Denis is a menage to himself but an exciting game to watch vs most defenders
That sort of game play in BO5 vs high level Pongs is difficult to sustain except
on the first week of wet grassed wimby. He needs Stefanki psychology and
more maturity which should come in time. I also play with an SV95 and it is
a beast of a stick when you are in the zone but error prone if not. It has a
tiny sweetspot with little feel but crazy power way more than older vcore D95.
Shapo averages higher grounstroke speeds than almost any other player with it.

Today PCB had a very difficult time either judging the Denis serve or was a bit slow
to react versus previous matches Ive seen him really focus on return. PCB has adopted
the Nole eyes wide open technique but not here did not employ it at all.
He could have also been trying to stay very calm to let Denis self destruct as PCB
as he himself can be very distracted by opponents screaming or his own mistakes.
Like most Spaniards they are primed to be consistent and focused on the long run.
 
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