Shapovalov serves 26 aces and still loses QF against PCB

If PCB wins the US Open 2020, would you consider his win legitimate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 83.6%
  • No

    Votes: 11 16.4%

  • Total voters
    67

gjm127

Rookie
Did not see the Joker PCB match.
If there was no DQ, PCB is serving for the first set and likely goes up 1-0.
Does PCB then go on to win the match.
:unsure:
Probably not. 30% chance he would have won that contest even being down a set.
 

gjm127

Rookie
I agree! PCB winning the US Open would sum up what a crazy year 2020 has been.
PCB is not NexGen and hasn't shown any legitimate signs of being able to win a GS, let alone a Masters title till now (2017 USO field and draws were crappy) so if he were the one to win a fully open and achievable GS, it would be a little ironic for our NexGen friends.
 
Did not see the Joker PCB match.
If there was no DQ, PCB is serving for the first set and likely goes up 1-0.
Does PCB then go on to win the match.
:unsure:
Hard to know because we don't really know what condition Novak's left shoulder was in. He only played three points after the medical timeout and he went immediately to the drop shot on two of them and then served and volleyed on the third which indicates he may have had a hard time with his 2HBH.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
Exactly! Shapo still plays the game like hes in the juniors. If he gets the right coach watch out
true but i saw this tournament as big progress for him. although there's still room for improvement he's cleaned up his ground game a lot, he hung in a lot of long rallies with a real grinder and is strokes are looking a lot more...repeatable. a year ago i cringed on every groundstroke of his waiting for it to fly long. net game also vastly improved. his ceiling is high if he keeps making these incremental improvements.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
true but i saw this tournament as big progress for him. although there's still room for improvement he's cleaned up his ground game a lot, he hung in a lot of long rallies with a real grinder and is strokes are looking a lot more...repeatable. a year ago i cringed on every groundstroke of his waiting for it to fly long. net game also vastly improved. his ceiling is high if he keeps making these incremental improvements.
Yeah I agree with all that. In the presser he said he got tired in the fifth so it maybe his fitness training has not caught up to longer rallies and point construction.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
I agree! PCB winning the US Open would sum up what a crazy year 2020 has been.
Because Kenin won the AO, PCB winning here would be fit all the surprises this year. If there's a no name winning the French that would definitely signal that 2020 is an anomaly.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Yeah I agree with all that. In the presser he said he got tired in the fifth so it maybe his fitness training has not caught up to longer rallies and point construction.
Why didn't Shapo run away from his presser? Surely he could have just had someone post on social media for him instead?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Did anyone else get really sick of the director showing Shapo's mother's face between every other point throughout the match?
I guess they do this regularly with family members, but. Please stop.
She was blatantly coaching him and having a running dialogue between nearly every point. I assume that’s why they kept showing her.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Got a message from a friend who summed the match up thus:

It was all on Shapo's racquet. He was very hot and cold. Unplayable early in the 4th, went up 2 breaks and PCB tanked then took an MTO. That seemed to break Shapo's concentration and PCB made the most miraculous recovery (as if nothing was ever wrong with him ;) ). Shapo never got hot again, match done. Another excellent strategic MTO.

He knows his tennis, so I have no doubt it's correct. Who saw it?
I watched it and my take away was that Denis has improved his volley and his aggression. He came in a lot and volleyed well. I have no doubt he’s a future slam winner. But he needs to dump Tessa as his coach. I don’t know where Youzhny was this event.
 

73west

Semi-Pro
Just saw the result of the match, Shapo served 26 aces and still lost! Credit to Pablo Carreno Busta for making the best out of the opportunity he's been given. How will you guys feel if he beats Zverev in the SF and beats whoever he faces in the final. Will you see this slam win as legit, or does the whole Djokovic being defaulting mean that, its of a lesser value/significance?
I am apparently in the minority. I enjoy watching Busta play. Having said that,

If Zverev, Thiem or Medvedev wins this event, I think it's fair to say they are just taking the logical next step in their career without dwelling too much on whether they beat the Big 3 to get there or not. These are guys who have been getting better, who have won Masters events, made major SFs (2/3 have made major Fs), who have played well against and beaten top players, and the next accomplishment on their resume is to win a major.

Busta and Rublev, I'm less inclined to say it's just the next step in their career. It would be a leap for Rublev, who has never made the SFs of a major or a masters event. It would be less of a leap for Busta.

I can't contemplate what it would mean if De Minaur wins the event because I don't have that vibrant an imagination.
 

ND-13

Professional
It was a completely different Busta after Set 1

He played 2 awesome tiebreak. I think he will beat Alex zverev .
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Got a message from a friend who summed the match up thus:

It was all on Shapo's racquet. He was very hot and cold. Unplayable early in the 4th, went up 2 breaks and PCB tanked then took an MTO. That seemed to break Shapo's concentration and PCB made the most miraculous recovery (as if nothing was ever wrong with him ;) ). Shapo never got hot again, match done. Another excellent strategic MTO.

He knows his tennis, so I have no doubt it's correct. Who saw it?
I went to bed after the third as I was zonked, but somehow woke up about an hour later and saw the score. I figured Denis would pull it out, after I saw he bageled PCB. But, PCB used a fake MTO, tanked the the 4th to make Shapo feel over confident, and then took over. Shapo couldn't believe he had recovered, and it really shook him. So, yes, your friend is correct. Not an excellent strategy, but a mean one, IMO. You don't use MTO's to fool an opponent, that's not their purpose. And he should have been defaulted for that. But it's impossible to prove.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Denis is a menage to himself but an exciting game to watch vs most defenders
That sort of game play in BO5 vs high level Pongs is difficult to sustain except
on the first week of wet grassed wimby. He needs Stefanki psychology and
more maturity which should come in time. I also play with an SV95 and it is
a beast of a stick when you are in the zone but error prone if not. It has a
tiny sweetspot with little feel but crazy power way more than older vcore D95.
Shapo averages higher grounstroke speeds than almost any other player with it.

Today PCB had a very difficult time either judging the Denis serve or was a bit slow
to react versus previous matches Ive seen him really focus on return. PCB has adopted
the Nole eyes wide open technique but not here did not employ it at all.
He could have also been trying to stay very calm to let Denis self destruct as PCB
as he himself can be very distracted by opponents screaming or his own mistakes.
Like most Spaniards they are primed to be consistent and focused on the long run.
Shapo would have looked good at this year's Wimbledon, and surprised some people....it should have happened.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I went to bed after the third as I was zonked, but somehow woke up about an hour later and saw the score. I figured Denis would pull it out, after I saw he bageled PCB. But, PCB used a fake MTO, tanked the the 4th to make Shapo feel over confident, and then took over. Shapo couldn't believe he had recovered, and it really shook him. So, yes, your friend is correct. Not an excellent strategy, but a mean one, IMO. You don't use MTO's to fool an opponent, that's not their purpose. And he should have been defaulted for that. But it's impossible to prove.
You've seen the outrage from Djokovid being defaulted. If anything was done about strategic MTOs, toilet breaks and general stalling, he and Nadal would be defaulted from just about every tournament they enter. Could you imagine that?
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Shapo has a lot of great traits. He just needs to become a little more polished. Once he is, then he will be extremely dangerous to everybody.

Denis is definitely my favorite youngster, followed by Thiem.
 

SeeingDusk

Hall of Fame
it's just a bad matchup for shapo on this court at the uso. pcb knew he could win anytime he wanted, so he tanked the 4th set on purpose to improve his 5th set record.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Shapo would have looked good at this year's Wimbledon, and surprised some people....it should have happened.
He should do well again, my only criticism is that he can go to BO5 4 or 5 set matches are fast but as soon as he
gets bogged down with a defender like Busta who is underrated in this department and I feel is top 10 if not
top 5 even faster than Murray at his best but not in anticipation. Shapo needs another 2-3 years to get to be
able to hit winner after winner for 5 sets consistently and probably 4 years to calm down and focus better.
Look at Thiem who just beats Shapo recently in close matches and yet 6 years apart. Thiems style is better
suited to long matches but Shapos game will need Fed like focus and control for him to succeed in Slams.
Either way will be happy to see him tone down his BS too by saying its boring to see the top 3 win all the Slams
when he really just needs to be less emphatic, more humble and let that transfer to his tennis as well.

Also.....
This is just my opinion of course but a 16 x 19 sv95 custom drilled unit to allow him that little extra margin over
the net for his FH and Second serve bite. He does so well but often nets his FH or misses wildly and his
second serve he goes for the works everytime but I found with the sv95 16 x 20 it is really missing that
extra bite that allows many other players to swing without concern. I found you really have to use more
snap to get more spin to help reign in the balls but it gets difficult over long periods.
Versus even other 97/98 inch 18 x 20 sticks the sv95 has less spin than all of them.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Why is everyone saying that specifically PCB has been “granted” this opportunity? Djokovic going out is just as good for everyone in the draw and PCB doesn’t gain any advantage above other players in the draw. PCB was the one who was about to be up a set against the number 1 and riled him up enough to get defaulted.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
PCB is a very good player. In a way he earned his win by saving BP and then breaking Djokovic this riling him enough to commit the mistake. It's not PCB's fault.
And he will beat shapo was expected.
Shapo can't keep more than 3 balls in court. Same thing happened in us open 2017. Shapo played well, lost in 3 toebreaks
 
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