Shapovalov should attack the net more

NedStark

Rookie
This is one of my takeaways from the semifinal.

Compared to smacking groundstrokes, using them to setup for net attacks or serve-and-volley would have saved him a lot of unforced errors. Unlike his error-prone groundstrokes, his netgame are actually very solid and reliable, and at the same time, his serves frequently force high and floating returns from his opponents.
 

NedStark

Rookie
his net game isnt solid
It is actually - statistically his net point won percentage is generally higher compared to his peers, and may be better than from his baseline stat if we count errors.

He is also very capable of finishing putaway points at the net, and handling difficult passing shots as well.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
His net game is better than most of the next gens, but he’s still somewhat prone to flubbing easy volleys (part and parcel of his whole game, really).
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
This is one of my takeaways from the semifinal.

Compared to smacking groundstrokes, using them to setup for net attacks or serve-and-volley would have saved him a lot of unforced errors. Unlike his error-prone groundstrokes, his netgame are actually very solid and reliable, and at the same time, his serves frequently force high and floating returns from his opponents.
His net game is alright. Nothing to write home about. I think he likes to come in, he has decent feel, and he doesn't seem to use too much wrist. His foot speed and the speed of his ground strokes hide many of his deficiencies because he tends to come in after a slingshot backhand or aggressive forehand.

The problem with his volleys IMO is that they get too much air, tend to float a little too deep into the court.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
I like that he enjoys moving forward. That's always great to see.

But without the consistency on his ground strokes, he can't construct the point properly to get to the net more. In that sense you are right @NedStark about him just smacking the ball as hard as he can.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
Do I need to remind you what happened with Shapo attacking the net at 30-30 when he served for the first set?

Not just that, he routinely made the wrong decision and netted/missed multiple volleys that, in the same situation, Djokovic put away easily. And his approach shots are nowhere near good enough to do it consistently.

You don’t want to take a fish out of water that often.

A better suggestion would be “Shapo needs to improve his net game”. It’s not impossible but I think the dude just hits so hard and plays so fast that finesse is a little much to ask. Part of the prerequisite for being a good volleyer is body control and balance, Shapo comes screaming to the net like Sonic on speed and overcooks it.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
Do I need to remind you what happened with Shapo attacking the net at 30-30 when he served for the first set?

Not just that, he routinely made the wrong decision and netted/missed multiple volleys that, in the same situation, Djokovic put away easily. And his approach shots are nowhere near good enough to do it consistently.

You don’t want to take a fish out of water that often.

A better suggestion would be “Shapo needs to improve his net game”. It’s not impossible but I think the dude just hits so hard and plays so fast that finesse is a little much to ask. Part of the prerequisite for being a good volleyer is body control and balance, Shapo comes screaming to the net like Sonic on speed and overcooks it.
That is very true. But, I think, part of it is that he doesn't know where to move. Doesn't seem to follow the ball up the line enough, etc. That's something that can be taught.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
That is very true. But, I think, part of it is that he doesn't know where to move. Doesn't seem to follow the ball up the line enough, etc. That's something that can be taught.
Yep. The commentators mentioned he spent time playing doubles this year and Bopanna (one of the world’s top doubles players) was in his box today. I think he realizes this flaw of his. I can never fault someone attempting to improve.
 

NedStark

Rookie
I like that he enjoys moving forward. That's always great to see.

But without the consistency on his ground strokes, he can't construct the point properly to get to the net more. In that sense you are right @NedStark about him just smacking the ball as hard as he can.
Because he smacked balls too much, instead of following up to the net to finish the point. As Djokovic gets the ball back, he has to smack his groundies more times, and is more likely to make errors. There are plenty of time Shapovalov smacked hard groundstrokes 3-4 times before shaking while he could have moved in after the second shot to finish.


The problem with his volleys IMO is that they get too much air, tend to float a little too deep into the court.
I did see that problem with BH volleys, but his FH volleys are very good

I need to remind you what happened with Shapo attacking the net at 30-30 when he served for the first set
He actually hit a short-ball forehand groundstroke in that point.


Not just that, he routinely made the wrong decision and netted/missed multiple volleys that, in the same situation, Djokovic put away easily. And his approach shots are nowhere near good enough to do it consistently.
He did not miss a lot of routine volleys until late match, and it was also nowhere near his groundstroke errors.

There are plenty of time he was able to forced weak, floating replies from Djokovic that could have been finished off at the net, but instead he let the ball bounce and hit another groundstroke, either making errors or enabling Djokovic to drag the point on and reset the play, because his mindset was still to overpower and smack Djokovic into submission.

Yep. The commentators mentioned he spent time playing doubles this year and Bopanna (one of the world’s top doubles players) was in his box today. I think he realizes this flaw of his. I can never fault someone attempting to improve.
He actually started playing doubles from last year.
 

beltsman

Legend
This is one of my takeaways from the semifinal.

Compared to smacking groundstrokes, using them to setup for net attacks or serve-and-volley would have saved him a lot of unforced errors. Unlike his error-prone groundstrokes, his netgame are actually very solid and reliable, and at the same time, his serves frequently force high and floating returns from his opponents.
He just isn't great at tennis. He has amazing shots, athleticism, etc but can't put it together on the court. Same old story. Going to net more won't save him.
 

NedStark

Rookie
That is very true. But, I think, part of it is that he doesn't know where to move. Doesn't seem to follow the ball up the line enough, etc. That's something that can be taught.
When I said "Because he smacked balls too much, instead of following up to the net to finish the point. As Djokovic gets the ball back, he has to smack his groundies more times, and is more likely to make errors. There are plenty of time Shapovalov smacked hard groundstrokes 3-4 times before shaking while he could have moved in after the second shot to finish" - I also mean this. Many times he could have came in, but instead choosing to continue with his hard-hitting.
 

NedStark

Rookie
He just isn't great at tennis. He has amazing shots, athleticism, etc but can't put it together on the court. Same old story. Going to net more won't save him.
Choosing to approach the net more will likely shift his mindset away from smacking the balls. Once his mindset turns into setting up for net attacks, he will also focuses more on finesse and placement as well as observation.
 
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