Shapovalov's Accidental/Fake Toss on Second Service

Visionary

Semi-Pro
I have just finished watching the Ruud vs Shapo match. The Norvegian has impressed me very much while Dennis has given me something to think about. The Canadian's lackluster performance on longer rallies and his poor network which eventually resulted in his first set tiebreaker loss on his ridiculous unforced error on the net was one thing, his routine second service accidental/fake toss in not so windy conditions was another. Shapovalov frequently threw his second serve ball extremely far over his head (to the other side) which was clearly impossible to hit. Many times on his second service, Dennis had to retry his toss which seemed to have been within the legal time limit and rules apparently. How you seen Dennis Shapovalov done the accidental/fake toss on his second service? Has the Canadian done this routine on more occasions in ATP matches? I have seen females in WTA do the, to me annoying, accidental/fake toss a lot more often than in the ATP.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Players are definitely catching their serve tosses more often than ever before, and I think the main contributing factor is that players have become better at returning serve.

There’s a greater need these days to hit second serves with enough kick to protect against aggressive returns, and that puts more pressure on the players to get the toss exactly right.

Like Brad Gilbert, I personally think there should be a limit to the number of tosses a player can catch in a match, but I understand why we’re seeing more of it.
 
I’m not a big Shapo watcher, but yes I have seen him do this frequently in other matches. And WTA players.....yes, they are downright annoying with it. All I can say is that I agree, a limit should be placed on that. It isn’t right if it becomes habitual! I’d think coaches would come down on this but what do I know?
 

Gerco

Rookie
He does this on his first serve too, places the ball way to his right but somehow he manages to hit some amazing serves, although I think he would benefit from tossing the ball a bit more to his left. Sadly as a lefty I suffer from the same problem :cry::D
 

TennisIcon

Rookie
Its not fake. Jim Courier analyzed the main reason why his ball toss is so wonky. He throws the ball too far in front of him and his ball toss can be too high sometimes. Its one of the main reasons he was having issues with double faults last year and his ball toss was horrendous in Miami cause of all the wind there.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I have just finished watching the Ruud vs Shapo match. The Norvegian has impressed me very much while Dennis has given me something to think about. The Canadian's lackluster performance on longer rallies and his poor network which eventually resulted in his first set tiebreaker loss on his ridiculous unforced error on the net was one thing, his routine second service accidental/fake toss in not so windy conditions was another. Shapovalov frequently threw his second serve ball extremely far over his head (to the other side) which was clearly impossible to hit. Many times on his second service, Dennis had to retry his toss which seemed to have been within the legal time limit and rules apparently. How you seen Dennis Shapovalov done the accidental/fake toss on his second service? Has the Canadian done this routine on more occasions in ATP matches? I have seen females in WTA do the, to me annoying, accidental/fake toss a lot more often than in the ATP.
I don't know if those were fake tosses, or just bad attempts at tossing for a kick serve.
 

James P

Legend
I actually don't have a problem with it as long as it doesn't get too ridiculous. I don't think it's gamesmanship, at least not to this point, just appears players are realizing that it is perfectly legal to catch a bad toss instead of trying to make it work.
 
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