Sharapova - 15 months since her return. Legacy since drugs ban?

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
http://www.espn.com/tennis/player/results/_/id/399

So Maria has been back playing for 15 months since her drugs ban. Her results have been mixed - 1 title in China in 15 months. In Grand Slams her results the furthest she has is a French Open quarter final, after getting a walkover after Serena pulled out, where she was thumped by Muguruza.

Can we draw conclusions that the meldonium drug which she took pre 2016 and which she can’t take now really helped her career pre 2016? And pretty much destroys her legacy post her first Wimbledon win in 2004 (as I understand she is on oath as saying she was only prescribed the drug after 2004) and therefore deminishes her legacy because a large part of her success will be attributed to taking this drug?

The drug is said to increases blood flow, which improves exercise capacity in athletes. How much can we say her training and success pre 2016 can be attributed to the drug?

How many people truly believe that she took the drug because of a magnesium deficiency and family history of diabetes with the amount of athletes who have since been caught taking it since it was included on WADA’s list on 1st January 2016? If she does then she would need to be taking another drug which helps towards these conditions and not be in WADA’s banned list.

According to the German documentary Hajo Seppelt 17% of Russian athletes tested in 2015 (724/4316) were found to have the drug in their system; a global study found 2.2% of athletes in 2015 had it in their system. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/meldonium-maria-sharapova-failed-drugs-test
So all of these athletes also have similar conditions which required this drug and also benefited from increased blood flow, which turn improved their exercise capacity?
 

Benben245

Banned
EPO is undetectable after 3 hours from administration. Wada and USADA drug testing hours are 9:30 am-8 pm . It's silly to even need meldonium when you can get away with the good stuff
 
Of course she was taking meldonium to gain a competitive advantage. But for so long as it was a legal drug, there's no reason why she shouldn't have done so.

Besides, her success was mostly in spite of her movement, not because of it. Her technique is almost as good as anyone's - even compared to Serena, the big technical difference is on the serve, while in terms of groundstrokes there's not much in it. But her movement has been desperately poor for her ability since at least 2009 or so, ever since her growth spurt and her injury break in 2008.

Talking of that injury break in 2008, note that it took her a long time to regain form after it. She is clearly not someone like Serena Williams or Monica Seles, who can come back from a long break and act as though they've never been away. Given that, I wouldn't count her out yet. She might well have another run of good form in her.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
I am talking about hindsight. There is now doubt that the drug did not not aid her performance between 2006 to 2015. She was taking the drug for 10 years. The manufacturers of the drug say a normal course of the drug was to be taken 4-6 weeks at a time/repeated 2-3 times a year, but not continuously for 10 years. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/meldonium-treatment-four-to-six-weeks-maria-sharapova

And a drug that can increase blood flow, allow longer training and in turn increase stamina. Sharapova’s game was based on a large part on her ability to stay in rallies and outlast her opponents. This has now been deminished and is reflected in her results since her come back. Of course, she still benefits from the increased training which she accrued between 2006-2015 when taking the drug and it was legal. But my question does it now detract from her legacy knowing now that the drug is banned and the benefits she gained from it?
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Click bait thread.

Get ready to bash Sharapova. Nothing new at TTW on hating her for many years.
Not click bait and not meant to bash Sharapova without good reason. She’s had 15 months since her ban has ended. Time to assess fairly since she’s come back. How does it affect her legacy?

Valid counter argument is she is over 30 now and her career would go down hill post 30 in any case.
 
http://www.espn.com/tennis/player/results/_/id/399

So Maria has been back playing for 15 months since her drugs ban. Her results have been mixed - 1 title in China in 15 months. In Grand Slams her results the furthest she has is a French Open quarter final, after getting a walkover after Serena pulled out, where she was thumped by Muguruza.

I see her as more of a spoiler now-like beating Halep at the US last year & Pliskova this year at RG than a serious contender.

Can we draw conclusions that the meldonium drug which she took pre 2016 and which she can’t take now really helped her career pre 2016? And pretty much destroys her legacy post her first Wimbledon win in 2004 (as I understand she is on oath as saying she was only prescribed the drug after 2004) and therefore deminishes her legacy because a large part of her success will be attributed to taking this drug?

The drug is said to increases blood flow, which improves exercise capacity in athletes. How much can we say her training and success pre 2016 can be attributed to the drug?

Not at all-the problem is there have been no real in-depth studies looking at it in the context of sport, many experts say they have a hard time seeing how it would be of benefit. It was banned because a lot of Russians were taking it & thus was political & based on the abysmal notion that just because a lot of people are taking something must mean it is bad/giving them some advantage rather than actual evidence. The problem is this-caffeine has been proven to have advantages for sportspeople, prior to 2003 it was fine to the to consume it to the equivalent of eight cups of Espresso, so anybody who failed a test for it above that high level was cheating, then it was fine to take it from 2003 onward, the majority of athletes & no doubt tennis players take it in some form in vast amounts-be it tea, coffee, fizzy drinks or chocolate-Federer even shills for Lindt. There has been talk for some time of banning it again & last year it went back on the WADA watch list. Now we face the quandry of what is cheating-is something not cheating if you did it in a year where it wasn't classed as cheating? Would Federer, Nadal etc be considered cheats because they won all those titles while on it when it was legal & if it does go back on the list are all their wins tainted? Or does this just apply to Sharapova who took something that has no proven benefits unlike caffeine?


How many people truly believe that she took the drug because of a magnesium deficiency and family history of diabetes with the amount of athletes who have since been caught taking it since it was included on WADA’s list on 1st January 2016? If she does then she would need to be taking another drug which helps towards these conditions and not be in WADA’s banned list.

Hard to say & likely only she knows the answer. I suspect she was put on it for legitimate reasons considering her family history & health issues she was having at the time. However, I also believe she & all the other athletes using it were buying into the hype that it was some wonder thing for athletes & since it was legal she saw no issue using it-although any benefit would have likely been a placebo, can you ban placebo's in sport? Steve Waugh carrying a 'lucky handkerchief' every time he went out to bat for instance? No doubt there are some female players who like children hug teddy bears at night thinking it will help them-are we to confiscate them? I suspect having read her book she knew full well what Mlldronate was-on the packs & in the leaflets drugs usually have various names & Mildronate has Meldonium written on the packet from searching, but arrogantly thought her trace levels would be too low to show up, or that she was cycling & thought she would likely escape detection. I could believe a lot of players could be dozy in this regard but she is a highly intelligent woman who speaks perfect English & is a control freak, so I find it nearly impossible to believe this would be an oversight on her part-especially seeing as she was supposedly warned five times, which is not the story she paints in her book.


According to the German documentary Hajo Seppelt 17% of Russian athletes tested in 2015 (724/4316) were found to have the drug in their system; a global study found 2.2% of athletes in 2015 had it in their system. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/meldonium-maria-sharapova-failed-drugs-test
So all of these athletes also have similar conditions which required this drug and also benefited from increased blood flow, which turn improved their exercise capacity?

As she says in her book over there it is like people in the west popping Aspirins & Sharapova says her gran takes it. I guess from an athlete perspective it is similar to the number of elite cyclists who feel the need to have Salbutamol in ridiculous amounts. I don't personally feel it benefited her-she won four of a possible forty-one slams using it, Kim Clijsters when she came out of retirement won three of her first six slams back & was absent for one of them, along with winning the YEC-so maybe Maria should have been on whatever 'she was on' as that is obviously far superior.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
meldonium eater and a certified cheater. No wonder her results are crappy once meldonium became a banned substance.

Results speak louder than words.
 
I am talking about hindsight. There is now doubt that the drug did not not aid her performance between 2006 to 2015. She was taking the drug for 10 years. The manufacturers of the drug say a normal course of the drug was to be taken 4-6 weeks at a time/repeated 2-3 times a year, but not continuously for 10 years. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/meldonium-treatment-four-to-six-weeks-maria-sharapova

And a drug that can increase blood flow, allow longer training and in turn increase stamina. Sharapova’s game was based on a large part on her ability to stay in rallies and outlast her opponents. This has now been deminished and is reflected in her results since her come back. Of course, she still benefits from the increased training which she accrued between 2006-2015 when taking the drug and it was legal. But my question does it now detract from her legacy knowing now that the drug is banned and the benefits she gained from it?
Let us not forget she lost 15 months of her career, has been plagued by injuries since her return, has aged & these are usually major problems for athletes. To have any idea of the possible effect Meldonium could have studies would need to be carried out & we would need to look at all the Meldonium popped athletes records since they returned in all sports.
 
meldonium eater and a certified cheater. No wonder her results are crappy once meldonium became a banned substance.

Results speak louder than words.
Federer only started having success when Caffeine was taken off the banned list. if it went back on the banned list tomorrow he would never make it past the first week of a slam again. Never would of the last 15 years.`Ban Lindt.
 

tenisdecente

Hall of Fame
Let us not forget she lost 15 months of her career, has been plagued by injuries since her return, has aged & these are usually major problems for athletes. To have any idea of the possible effect Meldonium could have studies would need to be carried out & we would need to look at all the Meldonium popped athletes records since they returned in all sports.
Good post. If this would have happened her being 25 years old, definitely she would be exposed. But being 31, difficult to say
 

ibbi

Legend
I mean she was obviously taking it for a reason, and I do think it is playing a part in where she's at right now. Of course she's also 31 years old, spent over a year out of the game, and doesn't have a serve, so time was not on her side regardless.

I do think her guts would have carried her farther than where she's been since coming back if she was still on the stuff. She's shown enough flashes of the old Sharapova for me to believe it.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
EPO is undetectable after 3 hours from administration. Wada and USADA drug testing hours are 9:30 am-8 pm . It's silly to even need meldonium when you can get away with the good stuff
That's what I am thinking too.
Window for catching blood dopers are so small. Also 1 out 16 tests they take is tested for blood doping. It's very slim chances getting caught.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Meldonium is a substance that is not known to enhance performance and was banned largely because athletes believed it was enhancing performance and were taking it. The science is dodgy at best that it has any value which is why it has no FDA approval for any condition.

It's not likely to have helped her career other than providing false confidence. Sharapova's career has taken many ups and downs so blaming all her ups on PEDS and downs on no-PEDS is likely pushing it.

But I think we can say that her willingness to cheat to gain an advantage dampens her legacy as a tennis champion. It doesn't dampen her legacy as super hot tennis player though. The latter was more likely to be her lasting legacy anyway.
 
Meldonium is a substance that is not known to enhance performance and was banned largely because athletes believed it was enhancing performance and were taking it. The science is dodgy at best that it has any value which is why it has no FDA approval for any condition.

It's not likely to have helped her career other than providing false confidence. Sharapova's career has taken many ups and downs so blaming all her ups on PEDS and downs on no-PEDS is likely pushing it.

But I think we can say that her willingness to cheat to gain an advantage dampens her legacy as a tennis champion. It doesn't dampen her legacy as super hot tennis player though. The latter was more likely to be her lasting legacy anyway.
Sadly regardless of the evidence, or in this case lack of evidence for its benefits anybody in any sport who gets busted will always have something of a tarnished legacy. Agassi will always have the meth thing. Hulk Hogan will always have the steroid thing. In other walks of life Hugh Grant will always have the hooker thing hanging over his career-for many it is the first thing they think of at the mention of his name. Jimmy Carter is remembered as the UFO & beaver guy.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
You dont know what it does do you? LOL

You realize its been around since 1971?
Increases blood flow or so it’s been said for those with heart conditions. If Maria has one then she must be taking something else for it not banned, if not then why not. But Doubt we will find out now.

Doesn’t matter that it’s been around since 1971 since Maria only started taking it since 2006 or so she claims.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
I am not a fan of Sharapova. Probably in hater category.

But she has been injured frequently during her past few years. She looks old now, Serena looks old too but she survives because of her serve.

Sharapova talked about retiring before 30s when she was young. Maybe the motivation won't be too high past 30 for her.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
EPO is undetectable after 3 hours from administration. Wada and USADA drug testing hours are 9:30 am-8 pm . It's silly to even need meldonium when you can get away with the good stuff
If that is true, I think everyone in top 100 is using it. The pros are not crazy to pass on such easy option to increase stamina.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
Increases blood flow or so it’s been said for those with heart conditions. If Maria has one then she must be taking something else for it not banned, if not then why not. But Doubt we will find out now.

Doesn’t matter that it’s been around since 1971 since Maria only started taking it since 2006 or so she claims.
Increases blood flow in people aged 60+ who had quad bypass surgery. They have never tested it, that was the only study. They were walking up and down the stairs.

A drug has been around for almost 50 years, its suddenly labeled a ped because a number of people take it. The timing and the russia phobia makes it coincidental, since it was deemed a ped in an olympic year.

Thats like them saying flintstone vitamins are a ped because 15% of the top 100 takes them.

It stays in your system for 3-5months. They informed the players it was banned on dec 17th, how exactly are they supposed to test clean in 2 weeks? LOL

They knew exactly what they were doing and they won, russia didnt make the trip to brazil. They got mad and hacked the wada records. Turns out they allow people to take real peds yet ban people for taking a placebo.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Netflix Icarus documentary the first 30 min a good example of what it can do.
BBC journalist who was also an avid cyclist did EPO micro doping for a month - the results were amazing - and at the end he underwent a test and the amounts found were under the limit so if he were a competitive cyclist he would have been safe.

Having said that I'm not buying 'everyone in the Top 100' is definitely doing it. And Tennis isn't cycling - you're not separated by a few hundredths of a second. Endurance is part of tennis but not the major component - none of the PEDs help you hit a pass down the line on break point. Also, I just don't think it could be kept quiet - someone would talk.
 

Benben245

Banned
BBC journalist who was also an avid cyclist did EPO micro doping for a month - the results were amazing - and at the end he underwent a test and the amounts found were under the limit so if he were a competitive cyclist he would have been safe.

Having said that I'm not buying 'everyone in the Top 100' is definitely doing it. And Tennis isn't cycling - you're not separated by a few hundredths of a second. Endurance is part of tennis but not the major component - none of the PEDs help you hit a pass down the line on break point. Also, I just don't think it could be kept quiet - someone would talk.
All of us on this forum have had dead arm days, sore wrist where we simply can't pick up a racquet. These guys make only 15 percent of total revenue at tournaments with the sponsors getting the rest and they travel to a new country almost every week until December where if they didn't make the tennis masters final they have a month off before January and the grind starts all over again. The ITF has every incentive to allow marquee players that they themselves invest in for marketing purposes to dope. David Ferrer smokes a pack a day and his vascularity in his arms is the same when I took stanazol, tren, tes and deca in college for fun for 3 months. One of things that EPO does is grow the width of your veins.

I believe sharapova was suspended as a warning to players, particularly of the eastern bloc, to stop throwing matches for the mafia. The ITF went down hard on Sharapova because they didn't want another FIFA incident where the us gov intervened into their rampant corruption
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Increases blood flow in people aged 60+ who had quad bypass surgery. They have never tested it, that was the only study. They were walking up and down the stairs.

A drug has been around for almost 50 years, its suddenly labeled a ped because a number of people take it. The timing and the russia phobia makes it coincidental, since it was deemed a ped in an olympic year.

Thats like them saying flintstone vitamins are a ped because 15% of the top 100 takes them.

It stays in your system for 3-5months. They informed the players it was banned on dec 17th, how exactly are they supposed to test clean in 2 weeks? LOL

They knew exactly what they were doing and they won, russia didnt make the trip to brazil. They got mad and hacked the wada records. Turns out they allow people to take real peds yet ban people for taking a placebo.
Sources please. Russia Phobia? Don’t you think there’s reason for particularly suspicion especially Russian athletes after the McClaren report?

What has Povetkin the heavyweight boxer who has twice failed a drugs test one for meldonium need to take it for?

Sharapova was informed by e-mail in September 2015 that Meldonium was to be banned from 1 January 2016, but she didn’t bother to read it or tell her team that she was taking it so she could stop in time; neither did she bother telling the ITF that she was taking it before the ban came into place to get TUE. I think one other in her close knit group knew about it and tried to take the fall for it, but the ITF didn’t buy this story. Hence the 2 year ban reduced to 15 by CAS.

So all you do is lol because you have so much superior knowledge?
 
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Chadillac

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Sources please. Russia Phobia? Don’t you think there’s reason for particularly suspicion especially Russian athletes after the McClaren report?

What has Povetkin the heavyweight boxer who has twice failed a drugs test one for Melondium need to take it for?

So all you do is lol because you have so much superior knowledge?
Your mind is already made up, no matter what fact is presented.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Her peak years are long behind her so it doesn't prove anything anyway. It's like taking conclusions if Muguruza stops winning Grand Slams in 2025, when she is in her 30s...
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Your mind is already made up, no matter what fact is presented.
I am just asking for sources of what you are saying. Or do you think just writing what you said without backup I will suddenly change my mind? And I can take what you write as a statement of fact.

Why was Sharapova and 724 other Russian athletes, as well as Povetkin taking Meldonium? Were they all suffering g from heart conditions, Diabetes, etc? compared to 2% of other worldwide athletes? Legitimate question to ask. Source of stats taken from the guardian article posted and German documentary.

And yes Sharapova is not the only athlete to be caught but she is the highest profile tennis player to be caught. So my question is legitimate. Does it tarnish what she has achieved?
 
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Badabing888

Hall of Fame
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-question-about-meldonium/8959478?pfmredir=sm

“Couric: ... at one point you said you would look for a substitute, a replacement that wasn't on the banned list. Did you find a replacement?

Sharapova: I constantly have to get check-ups, I constantly have to go to the doctor. I get regular EKGs a lot more than other people would. Blood work and all of that and I take very — you know, as you can imagine, I'm very detail-orientated after this happened.

Couric: Did you find a replacement?

Sharapova: It's something that I don't want to talk about. It's just not something I think when we speak about doctors, that will open up more conversations and more questions and I think from the very beginning, I think it's important to speak about what has happened openly and honestly and move on from it.”

I take that as a no then. She didn’t find a replacement for Meldonium. A drug she didn’t really need to take before it was banned.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-question-about-meldonium/8959478?pfmredir=sm

“Couric: ... at one point you said you would look for a substitute, a replacement that wasn't on the banned list. Did you find a replacement?

Sharapova: I constantly have to get check-ups, I constantly have to go to the doctor. I get regular EKGs a lot more than other people would. Blood work and all of that and I take very — you know, as you can imagine, I'm very detail-orientated after this happened.

Couric: Did you find a replacement?

Sharapova: It's something that I don't want to talk about. It's just not something I think when we speak about doctors, that will open up more conversations and more questions and I think from the very beginning, I think it's important to speak about what has happened openly and honestly and move on from it.”

I take that as a no then. She didn’t find a replacement for Meldonium. A drug she didn’t really need to take before it was banned.
Thanks for posting that. Hilarious. She’s ‘detail oriented’ - except when it comes to reading emails from sports governing bodies.

I would throw out another theory against your last paragraph - her team DID find another drug - don’t want anyone knowing what so it doesn’t get scrutinized.

I’m not attributing her mediocre results on getting off Meldonium (or the injuries which could just be ego soothing bs) - I think she’s just getting as much endorsement cash as she can, spending more time on her diabetes (oops, candy) business, and looking for a hubby.
 

bigserving

Hall of Fame
During her time using, at least, one PED, she was competing for titles. Now, she seems to have settled into the 30s ranking range. Just think of the tens of millions of dollars in prize money, and titles that she cheated from other players during her career.

During her time off, she had plenty of time to rest, heal, and improve her game. I was expecting her to come back better than when she left. I would think that she would have worked hard for improvement simply to not be labeled a career fraud. She had a year and a half to revamp and improve her serve, and her game.

Is it time to acknowledge that she amassed a fortune being a fraud?
 
@MatsPhilander -
That’s rediculous to accuse Kim Clijsters of being on something when she returned to win her majors.
I didn't-that is why I used commas. Just pointing out that if Meldonium is a miracle drug then Sharapova's return of 4/41 slams while using it spread over an 8 year period is not very good, while Kim's return of 3/6 & a YEC after returning from retirement-maybe having a child is the key to success.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So says someone who is a serious exponent of the art of fiction!

Lets just say its obvious her performance enhancing drug use helped her. She has a single worthless tier 4 title since caught being a cheater.

I would invalidate her entire career based on the facts

Maria tha cheata
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Yeah, sure, they sent her off to a holiday camp so she'd rest and heal!

During her time using, at least, one PED, she was competing for titles. Now, she seems to have settled into the 30s ranking range. Just think of the tens of millions of dollars in prize money, and titles that she cheated from other players during her career.

During her time off, she had plenty of time to rest, heal, and improve her game. I was expecting her to come back better than when she left. I would think that she would have worked hard for improvement simply to not be labeled a career fraud. She had a year and a half to revamp and improve her serve, and her game.

Is it time to acknowledge that she amassed a fortune being a fraud?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Einstein had theories. You have hot air!

Thanks for posting that. Hilarious. She’s ‘detail oriented’ - except when it comes to reading emails from sports governing bodies.

I would throw out another theory against your last paragraph - her team DID find another drug - don’t want anyone knowing what so it doesn’t get scrutinized.

I’m not attributing her mediocre results on getting off Meldonium (or the injuries which could just be ego soothing bs) - I think she’s just getting as much endorsement cash as she can, spending more time on her diabetes (oops, candy) business, and looking for a hubby.
 
During her time using, at least, one PED, she was competing for titles. Now, she seems to have settled into the 30s ranking range. Just think of the tens of millions of dollars in prize money, and titles that she cheated from other players during her career.

During her time off, she had plenty of time to rest, heal, and improve her game. I was expecting her to come back better than when she left. I would think that she would have worked hard for improvement simply to not be labeled a career fraud. She had a year and a half to revamp and improve her serve, and her game.

Is it time to acknowledge that she amassed a fortune being a fraud?
Again this argument is a total nonsense-because Meldonium wasn't banned when she was using it from 2006-1015. If Caffeine ends up being banned by WADA again are we then going to turn around & say Fed, Nadal etc cheated non-caffeine users out of titles & cash for the last 15 odd years? By your logic this would be the case. Also there is the problem of TUE's-where a doctor signs a piece of paper allowing players to have banned drugs in their system & that the top female player with a long history of campaigning against testing has been able to do this, as has her very successful sister. Or does retrospective cheating only happen if you are Russian & disliked?

Why on earth would you think having 15 months off would help her game? She was now more than a year older, rusty, other women had upped their game etc. Her book made it clear that her serve was never the same after her surgery for the pain her initial odd action had caused her, she is now in her thirties &the injuries & have mounted up & plagued her since her return, yet in spite of this she has gone deep in multiple tournaments, won one of them, knocked out some top players & managed to get herself from nowhere back into the top 40 &made it to the quarters at RG-it is actually pretty remarkable.
 
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Man of steel

Hall of Fame
I am talking about hindsight. There is now doubt that the drug did not not aid her performance between 2006 to 2015. She was taking the drug for 10 years. The manufacturers of the drug say a normal course of the drug was to be taken 4-6 weeks at a time/repeated 2-3 times a year, but not continuously for 10 years. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/meldonium-treatment-four-to-six-weeks-maria-sharapova

And a drug that can increase blood flow, allow longer training and in turn increase stamina. Sharapova’s game was based on a large part on her ability to stay in rallies and outlast her opponents. This has now been deminished and is reflected in her results since her come back. Of course, she still benefits from the increased training which she accrued between 2006-2015 when taking the drug and it was legal. But my question does it now detract from her legacy knowing now that the drug is banned and the benefits she gained from it?
There's actually also the fact that she might and probably would have been taking it a lot longer than 10years. The drug agencies has only been keeping drug samples since 2006 if I'm not mistaken so any sample taken before then possibly have revealed whether she was taking meldonium before then.

Since it's supposedly a normal drug that children take in eastern Europe the likelihood of her taking it throughout her early rise is very high.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You failed to read the tribunal reports.

She went to the doctors when she was 19, so it as that point that she took the drug that everyone knows is not a PED.

Parents in Eastern Europe aren't aliens from another planet who feed their children drugs with their mother's milk just in case they make it to a Wimbledon final.

There's actually also the fact that she might and probably would have been taking it a lot longer than 10years. The drug agencies has only been keeping drug samples since 2006 if I'm not mistaken so any sample taken before then possibly have revealed whether she was taking meldonium before then.

Since it's supposedly a normal drug that children take in eastern Europe the likelihood of her taking it throughout her early rise is very high.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
I didn't-that is why I used commas. Just pointing out that if Meldonium is a miracle drug then Sharapova's return of 4/41 slams while using it spread over an 8 year period is not very good, while Kim's return of 3/6 & a YEC after returning from retirement-maybe having a child is the key to success.
But the two are like comparing an Apple with an orange. Clijsters was the more talented, better mover of the two, but just a bit of a choker in the finals pre first retirement. I can accept that motherhood gave her a different, more mature perspective.

Maria was never the best mover but was strong mentally in the big moments. Did Meldonium help with this knowing she could stay in rallies.
 
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