Sharapova Book

I was not talking about the Catholic Church. Context is your friend and Google can't help you there!

And as I said, one of America's many immigrants made the term famous, so I was completely correct.
Man of steel said:
No, america did not invent propaganda.
The word is from the latin language and most often used in Europe for hundreds of years prior to the foundation of America.
If your going to make up BS at least make it believable
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Bartelby said:
I was not talking about the Catholic Church. Context is your friend and Google can't help you there!

And as I said, one of America's many immigrants made the term famous, so I was completely correct.
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So because it is latin you think i'm talking about the catholic church.
Well mate it looks like you need google because thats not what i was talking about. Propaganda has been around since the birth of the Roman empire.
The most famous type of propaganda used in the last 100 years was Hitler himself(moussilini also and not to mention stalin) who even had a ministry that dealt with propaganda led by none other than the famous joseph goebbels.
 
Yes, well, you are zipping backwards and forwards in time so rapidly that I would need a time machine to catch up.
Man of steel said:
So because it is latin you think i'm talking about the catholic church.
Well mate it looks like you need google because thats not what i was talking about. Propaganda has been around since the birth of the Roman empire.
The most famous type of propaganda used in the last 100 years was Hitler himself(moussilini also and not to mention stalin) who even had a ministry that dealt with propaganda led by none other than the famous joseph goebbels.
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Where does Bartelby the Scribbler find the time to hold forth constantly on Sharapova and now even Bernays I wonder.

Will there be excerpts from Walter Lippman next perhaps or will he now bring the Frankfurt School to Maria's defense?

A little education is a dangerous thing in his case for it has most certainly induced undue overconfidence in both his knowledge and his understanding.
 
And so says someone desperate to show off what little erudition they have!
intrepidish said:
Where does Bartelby the Scribbler find the time to hold forth constantly on Sharapova and now even Bernays I wonder.

Will there be excerpts from Walter Lippman next perhaps or will he now bring the Frankfurt School to Maria's defense?

A little education is a dangerous thing in his case for it has most certainly induced undue overconfidence in both his knowledge and his understanding.
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Bartelby said:
America invented the term 'propaganda' or, at least, one of its many immigrants made the term famous.

Propaganda is actually a term synonymous with democracy, as you would expect, as it is about persuasion:

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
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Putin's Russia is one of the most sinister countries currently in existence, apart from islamic fundamentalist ****holes. Claiming independence for Catalonia through Assange while invading and sabotaging Ukraine. Hmmm...
 
WADA claims Meldonium is against the spirit of competition, not that it is something they know from pharmacological research is a PED.

The ITF just follows WADA so it has no idea and has done no research of its own that I have seen.

As was found at CAS, Sharapova mainly took the drug for 'recurrent viral illnesses'.
Mind Doctor said:
That's not what ITF/WADA says. Why was Maria taking Meldonium, again? To protect herself from getting diabetes? :)
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Bartelby said:
WADA claims Meldonium is against the spirit of competition, not that it is something they know from pharmacological research is a PED.

The ITF just follows WADA so it has no idea and has done no research of its own that I have seen.
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What does Meldonium exactly do, according to you?
 
Russia is not claiming independence for Catalonia. You've been listening to Rachel Maddow too much.
Mind Doctor said:
Putin's Russia is one of the most sinister countries currently in existence, apart from islamic fundamentalist ****holes. Claiming independence for Catalonia through Assange while invading and sabotaging Ukraine. Hmmm...
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Bartelby said:
Russia is not claiming independence for Catalonia. You've been listening to Rachel Maddow too much.
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I am not in Murica, and I have never listened to Madcow. And yes, both Snowden and Assange are de facto Russian operatives who follow Russia's directives.
 
Bartelby said:
One likely answer is that it is a mild stimulant equivalent to a weak coffee, It may, on the other hand, have no effect and simply be a placebo.
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What research do you base this on, and why did tens of thousands of Russian athletes pay for "a weak coffee" costing hundreds of times what actual weak coffee is worth?
 
Mind Doctor said:
What research do you base this on, and why did tens of thousands of Russian athletes pay for "a weak coffee" costing hundreds of times what actual weak coffee is worth?
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We both know that he didn't base it on any research but rather on a fervid desire to present Sharapova in a good light.

His internally inconsistent stories remind one of Freud's borrowed kettle anecdote.
 
Bartelby said:
And so says someone desperate to show off what little erudition they have!
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I rarely participate here and certainly far less often than you so you make an odd claim about my desire to show off simply because I highlight one of your many desperate attempts to project yourself as erudite.

As to how erudite I am, that's another matter but it is clear you are an amateur playing online games with far too much time on your hands and who thinks his relentless posting somehow confers legitimacy on his points such as they are.
 
Why don't you try talking about the topic next time instead of engaging in the argumentative fallacy of ad hominem attack?

You rarely post, so make it relevant to the topic.
intrepidish said:
I rarely participate here and certainly far less often than you so you make an odd claim about my desire to show off simply because I highlight one of your many desperate attempts to project yourself as erudite.

As to how erudite I am, that's another matter but it is clear you are an amateur playing online games with far too much time on your hands and who thinks his relentless posting somehow confers legitimacy on his points such as they are.
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Point out one internal consistency. Slavoj?
intrepidish said:
We both know that he didn't base it on any research but rather on a fervid desire to present Sharapova in a good light.

His internally inconsistent stories remind one of Freud's borrowed kettle anecdote.
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intrepidish said:
it is clear you are an amateur playing online games
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Bart cant even find a group in WOW using LFG, he is that bad :)

You dont post much but declare expertise, how does that work? Why did barts post trigger someone who doesnt post much?

You responses tell your story, yet claim to be an expert, they contradict :( Negative/positive they all tell your tale, or one you hope to project
 
Bartelby said:
If it's a union then Californians should be free to decide.
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Not really. The Union and its integrity affect everyone who is a part of it, not just whichever party decides unilaterally to sever the ties. Would California be what it is today if it hadn't been a part of the United States? Would Catalonia be what it is today if it hadn't been a part of Spain? The answer to both questions is a rotund "No".

This Catalonia thing is more a product of brainwashing and narcissism than anything else, methinks. It was created artificially through the educational system.
 
Mind Doctor said:
Not really. The Union and its integrity affect everyone who is a part of it, not just whichever party decides unilaterally to sever the ties. Would California be what it is today if it hadn't been a part of the United States? Would Catalonia be what it is today if it hadn't been a part of Spain? The answer to both questions is a rotund "No".

This Catalonia thing is more a product of brainwashing and narcissism than anything else, methinks. It was created artificially through the educational system.
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You do realize, of course, that you're making a mistake by taking Bartleby's posts seriously.
 
Chadillac said:
Yet you dont feel the way about serena threatening the line judge, shaking the racket 1 foot from her face.

Other than that, just another dumb post from blundervolley
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Typical of your one purpose on this board: to flame, and like the thankfully small number of like-minded members in this thread (including one who filled a post with nonsense that only proves how much humanity has collapsed...before he edited it a bit too late to avoid being reported), you will excuse despicable behavior, and ignore real violence in favor of trying to place Williams in a category only reserved for the violent in this society. Of course, you are leaning--heavily--on the racist playbook which will argue Serena is a "thug" (your words) and a criminal (you've implied it in older threads), while saying nothing about those who committed real acts of violence. At the end of it all, you are a case study of one who will say or do anything to damn Williams (for one reason) while protecting the object of your obsession--Sharapova.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Typical of your one purpose on this board: to flame, and like the thankfully small number of like-minded members in this thread (including one who filled a post with nonsense that only proves how much humanity has collapsed...before he edited it a bit too late to avoid being reported),

you will excuse despicable behavior, and ignore real violence in favor of trying to place Williams in a category only reserved for the violent in this society. Of course, you are leaning--heavily--on the racist playbook which will argue Serena is a "thug" (your words) and a criminal (you've implied it in older threads), while saying nothing about those who committed real acts of violence. At the end of it all, you are a case study of one who will say or do anything to damn Williams (for one reason) while protecting the object of your obsession--Sharapova.
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Never saw what they said, which user?

I never called serena a criminal, are you talking about indian wells when they took the court to announce retirement, so the fans wouldnt get a ticket refund? Criminal action vs the line judge? If i did that to you or a police officer, i would be a criminal. Please cite your source, a memory as good as yours should be able to :)

I only accused her of tue's/peds and doing a crip dance on center court. I dont like tall women, Maria was wronged, 4 years initially for something banned 3 weeks? Others werent punished nearly as much and she admitted to using after it becoming illegal
 
Sorry to post in an "old" thread. I'm late to the party. I just finished the "Unstoppable - My Life So Far" by Sharapova, which was an audio book I borrowed from the local library. It is in fact read by Sharapova herself, who sounds better than I thought. It was a good read/listening.

My thoughts after completing the book:
1. The grunting:
I had always disliked Sharapova mainly because of the loud grunting. But besides saying something like "I had always grunted like that", she didn't say anything else. Nothing on people's reactions or comments on this, nothing. I was kind of expecting she would address a little more on this.

2. Dimitrov:
Just a tiny little bit, on the beginning of the relationship, was mentioned in the book. No development, no ending, no bad comments. What the hell?

3. Sugarpova:
Not a word about her candy business in the book. She did say she went to business school during the suspension period, but nothing more.

4. Her father:
She wrote A LOT about her father in her early years, but stopped mentioning her father all together, quite suddenly, after she kicked him out of her team. The only thing after that, was that her father didn't even come to her big tournament matches any more. Makes me wonder what really went wrong between them, and how ugly it became?

5. Her coaches and team:
Quite different from Agassi's Open, Sharapova wrote very little about her coaches and her team. Very often, it was just "my coach" or "my trainer", without even mentioning their names. It sounds like they were not important at all in her life, just being faceless figures around her. Very strange. I had thought every coach, and trainer/physio would the most important people in a tennis player's life, perhaps more than family members during tournaments. But according to Sharapova, it was all "me". I did this, I was able to do that. I did everything by myself.

6. Important Matches:
Very few of them detailed in the book. For the earlier ones, they were "I don't remember who I played". For the later big ones, they were all like "I won in straight sets", or "I lost in 3 sets". It seems that she does not remember how those matches went, and didn't want/bother to re-watch the recordings and describe the matches in the book. As a result, the book had very little on the big battles.

7. Doping:
She still tries to plead 100% innocent on doping. I see that a lof of discussion had taken place in this thread, and will not comment on this now.

8. Serena:
Ditto.

Summary:
In the beginning, I found this book very interesting, especially the tough beginning of her journey in the U.S. and how her father put everything on the line for her development. But about half into the book, the story became over-simplified, grey and self-centered, and much less interesting. At the end, I thought: "What? That's it?"
 
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Long Face said:
Sorry to post in an "old" thread. I'm late to the party. I just finished the "Unstoppable - My Life So Far" by Sharapova, which was an audio book I borrowed from the local library. It is in fact read by Sharapova herself, who sounds better than I thought. It was a good read/listening.

My thoughts after completing the book:
1. The grunting:
I had always disliked Sharapova mainly because of the loud grunting. But besides saying something like "I had always grunted like that", she didn't say anything else. Nothing on people's reactions or comments on this, nothing. I was kind of expecting she would address a little more on this.

2. Dimitrov:
Just a tiny little bit, on the beginning of the relationship, was mentioned in the book. No development, no ending, no bad comments. What the hell?

3. Sugarpova:
Not a word about her candy business in the book. She did say she went to business school during the suspension period, but nothing more.

4. Her father:
She wrote A LOT about her father in her early years, but stopped mentioning her father all together, quite suddenly, after she kicked him out of her team. The only thing after that, was that her father didn't even come to her big tournament matches any more. Makes me wonder what really went wrong between them, and how ugly it became?

5. Her coaches and team:
Quite different from Agassi's Open, Sharapova wrote very little about her coaches and her team. Very often, it was just "my coach" or "my trainer", without even mentioning their names. It sounds like they were not important at all in her life, just being faceless figures around her. Very strange. I had thought every coach, and trainer/physio would the most important people in a tennis player's life, perhaps more than family members during tournaments. But according to Sharapova, it was all "me". I did this, I was able to do that. I did everything by myself.

6. Important Matches:
Very few of them detailed in the book. For the earlier ones, they were "I don't remember who I played". For the later big ones, they were all like "I won in straight sets", or "I lost in 3 sets". It seems that she does not remember how those matches went, and didn't want/bother to re-watch the recordings and describe the matches in the book. As a result, the book had very little on the big battles.

7. Doping:
She still tries to plead 100% innocent on doping. I see that a lof of discussion had taken place in this thread, and will not comment on this now.

8. Serena:
Ditto.

Summary:
In the beginning, I found this book very interesting, especially the tough beginning of her journey in the U.S. and how her father put everything on the line for her development. But about half into the book, the story became over-simplified, grey and self-centered, and much less interesting. At the end, I thought: "What? That's it?"
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good summary, main things i found interesting/memorable:
* struggles of early life
* non-talented subsidize the talented kids

the doping thing seemed like a legit explaination to me... especially if it's really "like taking aspirin" in eu/russia
 
Long Face said:
Summary:
In the beginning, I found this book very interesting, especially the tough beginning of her journey in the U.S. and how her father put everything on the line for her development. But about half into the book, the story became over-simplified, grey and self-centered, and much less interesting. At the end, I thought: "What? That's it?"
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So, at least the book is indeed an accurate representation of her personality.

It seems that the book was realistic albeit not in the way many anticipated.

Those who had interest in her deserve every page of it, as she basically laughed at them while collecting their money.

8-)
 
Picked up the softback version yesterday & am already nearly a third of the way through it after 90 minutes or so of reading it last night. Disappointed in that it is a small book-300 odd pages, but the page size is small with decent although not huge size font so isn't going to be a long read. It is a fascinating read thus far about her father bringing her to America & the issues they faced, incredible he wasn't arrested for child neglect really. She seems very to the point rather than faffing around filling up pages with stuff that most wouldn't be interested in-her early life before emigrating is breezed over pretty quick.
 
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