Sharapova faces doping panel in London today

[clayqueen]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...in-london-over-failed-drug-test-34724228.html

 

[Bartelby]

AKA an anti-placebo panel - 288 athletes caught in the anti-Russian purge - not as many as they hoped I'm sure.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

AKA an anti-placebo panel - 288 athletes caught in the anti-Russian purge - not as many as they hoped I'm sure.

Now,now, Barti, you want to present it like they failed in their attempts.

Whatever they had in mind they succeeded big time.

 

[clayqueen]

Sharapova won't benefit from the amnesty because she's already said she didn't know the drug had been banned as she failed to go to the link so must have continued taking it.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

AKA an anti-placebo panel - 288 athletes caught in the anti-Russian purge - not as many as they hoped I'm sure.

Interesting how you passionately defend Maria, who actually got caught with a banned substance, yet accuse Rafa of doping.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Interesting how you passionately defend Maria, who actually got caught with a banned substance, yet accuse Rafa of doping.

He's hyper-defensive of that corrupt country's equally corrupt sports/doping assembly line.

 

[Sentinel]

Interesting how you passionately defend Maria, who actually got caught with a banned substance, yet accuse Rafa of doping.

That's because you cannot catch micro-dopers. Oh sorry, micro-dosers. since Rafa has never been caught, therefore he micro-doses, that's the logic, if I got it correctly, LOL.

 

[Sentinel]

I guess Bart will be going into overdrive over the next few days, posting and creating threads. I;ll miss the action, pal, as I am too busy, but I'll keep one eye open for the fireworks.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

He's hyper-defensive of that corrupt country's equally corrupt sports/doping assembly line.

I guess Bart will be going into overdrive over the next few days, posting and creating threads. I;ll miss the action, pal, as I am too busy, but I'll keep one eye open for the fireworks.

Kind of sad really. Sharapova is guilty of doping, had a banned substance in her system, doesn't matter if it was legal all those years, she had it in her system when it was officially banned. Therefore, Sharapova was taking a bad substance. End of.

Nadal has been proven to be clean, and unless someone can prove he has doped, his name doesn't need to be dragged in the mud. It is just a cheap excuse for biased hating.

 

[Chadillac]

Dr Eufemiano Fuentes had proof, until the judge ordered the blood be burned. Not destroyed, but burned.

Wada still has to prove its a ped or they have lost all credibility and a ton of money in the lawsuit against them

 

[unbiased]

Kind of sad really. Sharapova is guilty of doping, had a banned substance in her system, doesn't matter if it was legal all those years, she had it in her system when it was officially banned. Therefore, Sharapova was taking a bad substance. End of.

Nadal has been proven to be clean, and unless someone can prove he has doped, his name doesn't need to be dragged in the mud. It is just a cheap excuse for biased hating.

vive la haine would disagree with you...

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Dr Eufemiano Fuentes had proof, until the judge ordered the blood be burned. Not destroyed, but burned.

Wada still has to prove its a ped or they have lost all credibility and a ton of money in the lawsuit against them

Was the proof shown to the world? Did they show the results of it? Where is this proof? Burned?

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

That's because you cannot catch micro-dopers. Oh sorry, micro-dosers. since Rafa has never been caught, therefore he micro-doses, that's the logic, if I got it correctly, LOL.

Rafa's not greedy - just a little at a time.

 

[Mr.Lob]

The hearing is expected to finish on Thursday, though it might be at least two weeks before a verdict is announced.

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

I predict the verdict:

6 months suspended sentence (from the chandelier) and a slap on the derriere on the way out.

 

[Mr.Lob]

I predict the verdict:

6 months suspended sentence (from the chandelier) and a slap on the derriere on the way out.

I'd like to volunteer to hand out that punishment. Though 8-10 slaps on the rear may be more in line with the crime.

 

[Raindogs]

I'd like to volunteer to hand out that punishment. Though 8-10 slaps on the rear may be more in line with the crime.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Kind of sad really. Sharapova is guilty of doping, had a banned substance in her system, doesn't matter if it was legal all those years, she had it in her system when it was officially banned. Therefore, Sharapova was taking a bad substance. End of.

Nadal has been proven to be clean, and unless someone can prove he has doped, his name doesn't need to be dragged in the mud. It is just a cheap excuse for biased hating.

Well said.

The hearing is expected to finish on Thursday, though it might be at least two weeks before a verdict is announced.

Wish I'd read your post earlier - been hitting refresh and searching all day.

 

[mattosgrant]

I would guess it will be long enough she will end up missing all the remaining slams this year atleast.

 

[Beacon Hill]

Hitman: How has Nadal proven to be clean?

 

[Sentinel]

Hitman: How has Nadal proven to be clean?

Has anyone ?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Hitman: How has Nadal proven to be clean?

You didn't ask me, but here is my answer.

Because he hasn't been found guilty.

 

[Bartelby]

Meldonium is not a PED and my issue with Nadal and Djokovic is that no one can say anyone is clean due to the ease of micro-dosing.

The fact is that tennis is a sport where it's impossible to catch real drug cheats.

Interesting how you passionately defend Maria, who actually got caught with a banned substance, yet accuse Rafa of doping.

 

[Bartelby]

There was no amnesty. WADA's incompetence meant it had no idea of how long Meldonium lasted in the system. So it had to undo its bans in numerous cases.

Sharapova won't benefit from the amnesty because she's already said she didn't know the drug had been banned as she failed to go to the link so must have continued taking it.

 

[Bartelby]

I wouldn't say anyone dopes, but if they do they are micro-dosing and tennis drug testing as it stands merely makes the easily obtainable PEDS detectable.

That's because you cannot catch micro-dopers. Oh sorry, micro-dosers. since Rafa has never been caught, therefore he micro-doses, that's the logic, if I got it correctly, LOL.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Meldonium is not a PED and my issue with Nadal and Djokovic is that no one can say anyone is clean due to the ease of micro-dosing.

The fact is that tennis is a sport where it's impossible to catch real drug cheats and apart from Odesnik they essentially haven't caught any in the upper ranks.

If you say no one can be said to be clean, doesn't that mean Sharapova is just as likely to be a doper as Nadal and Djokovic? Who knows what cocktail of micro dosing she is doing to help her combat diabetes and heart issues while playing slam finals. Right?

 

[Bartelby]

Sharapova certainly could be micro-dosing. Nadal with his various ailments and Djokovic with his supposed gluten intolerance, however, far surpass Sharapova in imaginary maladies.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Sharapova certainly could be micro-dosing. Nadal with his various ailments and Djokovic with his supposed gluten intolerance, however, far surpass Sharapova in imaginary maladies.

Not really. That is your biased perception of it. Sharapova comes back from potential career ending shoulder problems and starts making slam finals again...sounds like some micro dosing to me. Lets put them all in the same boat then, and accuse them all evenly unless you have concrete proof and evidence that you can share with us to show that Rafa and Novak are doping, while the princess isn't.

 

[Bartelby]

I didn't say any were doping. I merely said it was possible for them all to be.

There is no way tennis can detect dopers, so the sport is not clean because no one tests positive, as Djokovic would have it.

It's a dirty sport because no one can really test positive given current lax protocols.

Tennis needs to test 24/7 and top thirty players at least 25-50 times a year both urine and blood.

Given that's not going to happen, it would be better to legalise and regulate.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Given that's not going to happen, it would be better to legalise and regulate.

ITF rules> Equipment > Appendix D

a. The syringe shall consist of a hypodermic needle, piston and a barrel with a nozzle. The needle shall consist of a twist-on fitting and a metal part, and may also include a stopper. The barrel is defined as that part of the syringe to which the the needle is connected via the nozzle. The piston is defined as that part of the syringe that goes into the barrel and displace the content of the barrel and which is held by the player (or other qualified to apply the said medicine (as shall any doping substance be called henceforth)) in normal use. The nozzle is that part of the syringe that joins the barrel with the fitting.

b.The needle shall not exceed gauge 17 cm in overall diameter, and 10 cm in overall length. The barrel volume shall not exceed 50 cc (app 50 ml)

c. The syringe shall be free of any attached object, protrusion or device which makes it possible to administer substances beyond the physical capacity of the barrel of the syringe, or its ability to administer a medicine at a higher rate than suggested by the nozzle inner diameter, or to change any physical property which may affect the performance of the syringe during the application of the drug. Attached objects, protrusions and devices that are approved as Player Advanced -Doping Analysis Technology, or that are utilised to limit or prevent wear and tear or vibration of the syringe, are permitted. All permissible objects, protrusions and devices must be reasonable in size and placement for their respective purpose(s). No energy source that in any way could change or affect the characteristics of a syringe may be built into or attached to the syringe.

 

[mxmx]

I didn't say any were doping. I merely said it was possible for them all to be.

There is no way tennis can detect dopers, so the sport is not clean because no one tests positive, as Djokovic would have it.

It's a dirty sport because no one can really test positive given current lax protocols.

Tennis needs to test 24/7 and top thirty players at least 25-50 times a year both urine and blood.

Given that's not going to happen, it would be better to legalise and regulate.

Okay...and where does one draw the line? Some players may claim cocaine improves their game and use that. The threshold will just shift and make things worse as all players will be level again and some wanting to catch up will find new illegal extremes...thus moral decay will just be on the increase as our sporting "heroes" and examples to kids will just worsen their already problematic behaviour we find on courts these days. No...bad idea.

 

[Bartelby]

There would be a list of allowable products that are:

- genuinely performance enhancing

- safe to use both in the short and long term

- reasonably available to all athletes

 

[Tennis_Hands]

There would be a list of allowable products that are:

- genuinely performance enhancing

- safe to use both in the short and long term

- reasonably available to all athletes

Regulated doping.

 

[mxmx]

There would be a list of allowable products that are:

- genuinely performance enhancing

- safe to use both in the short and long term

- reasonably available to all athletes

But that wont be enough for some. The point of doping is not to cope, but rather to be a step ahead of your opponents on the circuit.

Certain things are allowed now...and it got bypassed. The same will occur with a new list tolerated. The players will just bypass the rules once more.

Solution is more regulation. A bigger marketing approach to anti doping. Change the physical tennis rules and way people play so that doping makes no sense. Make it worth it for the players not to dope. Bring back focus on morals and knowing that you can win without something that basically is cheating the game itsself.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Bring back focus on morals and knowing that you can win without something that basically is cheating the game itsself.

This cannot happen as too much money is involved.

As witnessed in interviews with hard-core dopers, when asked whether they would do it all over again they say "yes".

Not only that, but we have also this:

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Meldonium is not a PED and my issue with Nadal and Djokovic is that no one can say anyone is clean due to the ease of micro-dosing.

The fact is that tennis is a sport where it's impossible to catch real drug cheats.

Enough with your "its not a PED" nonsense...

I found an interesting article about Meldonium. I guess the inventor was tasked with creating a drug to better enable Soviet troops perform high-altitude operations in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan.

Copied from the following article (it is reprinted in other news outlets also):
http://www.wired.com/2016/03/original-users-meldonium-sharapovas-banned-drug-soviet-super-soldiers/

The Original Users of Meldonium, Sharapova’s Banned Drug? Soviet Super-Soldiers

Here is a riddle: How is tennis pro Maria Sharapova like a Cold War Soviet super-soldier? The answer is that both took the cardiac drug meldonium.

The difference, though, is that the 69-year-old Latvian chemist who invented the drug says only the super-soldiers were his intended use case. Ivar Kalvins, chair of the scientific board of the Latvian Institute of Organic Synthesis (which, yes, sounds like the name of a place you’re trying to clear in a first-person shooter, but OK) says he started working on the drug in people for use by Soviet troops in Afghanistan. “If the soldiers are to operate in the mountains, there’s a lack of oxygen,” Kalvins says. “The way to protect against damage is by using Mildronate.”

And indeed, Mildronate (that’s the brand name for meldonium) gave struggling recruits super-powers. Users had extra endurance and oxygen-carrying capacity that let them carry heavy backpacks over high-altitude mountain ranges and desert plateaus during the Soviet Union’s invasion of the rugged nation from 1979 to 1989. In fact, Kalvins was a finalist for the <a href="https://www.epo.org/learning-events/european-inventor/finalists/2015/kalvins.html" target="_blank">European Inventor Award</a> in 2015 (from the European Patent Office) for his work on the drug
.
During the Soviet era, according to Kalvins, the Latvian firm Grendiks shipped hundreds of metric tons of Mildronate to the Russian army. “There were very many who used it,” he says.
All well and good, but in January the World Anti-Doping Agency said athletes shouldn’t be among them. The agency banned it in light of a 2015 study that found 2.2 percent of athletes tested positive for the stuff.

Kalvins says the ban is literally a crime. “It’s a violation of human rights,” he says. “The sportsmen should be able to protect their health. We are living in an era of evidence-based medicine, so there are not any other new data supporting the ban.” He calls the prohibition “sudden” and “a surprise.”
So was Sharapova trying to get super-powered endurance or treat a heart condition, as she claimed on Monday? It’s true that athletes from Russia and the former Soviet countries are having a particularly hard time obeying WADA’s rules on drug use, and that meldonium seems especially popular with athletes from that region. Also, Grendiks says the appropriate course of treatment for a heart condition is four to six weeks, not the 10 years that Sharapova says she used it.

Grindeks spokeswoman Ilze Gailite says Mildronate is a safe, effective drug used to combat various heart conditions and diabetes. “There have been no clinical studies providing scientific evidence that acute or chronic use of meldonium increases the athlete&#8217;s physical ability. Any suggestions to include meldonium in the prohibited list have no scientific basis and are not justified,” Gailite writes in an email. “We strongly believe that meldonium should not be considered as doping but an effective medicine which is widely used in clinical practice and it should not be included in the Prohibited list.”
WADA disagrees, obviously. Nobody there would comment, but in a statement Tuesday the agency said it banned meldonium &#8220;because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.” In other words, if you use it to enhance performance, it’s a performance enhancer, and that’s a big <em>nyet-nyet</em>.

Here’s another riddle: How are Maria Sharapova and Soviet super-soldiers like Russian speed skaters? Take a guess. Three of those champion skaters have tested positive for meldonium use. The Associated Press <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...580682-e5e9-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html" target="_blank">reported</a> Wednesday from Moscow that Russian ice skating officials said the champs are innocent, the victims of “sabotage” by jealous teammates who spiked their urine samples. The speed-skating association has hired British lawyers to argue their case.

 

[Bartelby]

Someone reprints an advertising blurb about 'super-soldiers' and thinks they've clinched an argument! Those 'super-soldiers' ran out of Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.

 

[Bartelby]

There is a finite and knowable number of doping agents. The only way they'll bypass the rules is by endangering their health.

But that wont be enough for some. The point of doping is not to cope, but rather to be a step ahead of your opponents on the circuit.

Certain things are allowed now...and it got bypassed. The same will occur with a new list tolerated. The players will just bypass the rules once more.

Solution is more regulation. A bigger marketing approach to anti doping. Change the physical tennis rules and way people play so that doping makes no sense. Make it worth it for the players not to dope. Bring back focus on morals and knowing that you can win without something that basically is cheating the game itsself.

 

[Thriller]

The fact is that tennis is a sport where it's impossible to catch real drug cheats.

Sharapova got caught. She is a real drug cheat. She is a self-confessed user of a banned substance in competition after that substance was banned.

The only debate is whether or not she was a careless cheat or a deliberate cheat but she is a cheat and she got caught.

WADA 1 : 0 Drug cheats

 

[Russeljones]

WADA 1 : 0 Drug cheats

One bit of nonsense I never thought I'd see. Even here.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

One bit of nonsense I never thought I'd see. Even here.

Why is it a "nonsense"?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Not only that, but we have also this:

obviously some photoshop to discredit alberto...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

obviously some photoshop to discredit alberto...

 

[Russeljones]

Why is it a "nonsense"?

Someone implying that WADA is ahead of the PED users? Get real.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Someone implying that WADA is ahead of the PED users? Get real.

Its meaning was limited to the job WADA did with the meladonium users (and Sharapova in particular).

I don't think that that Thriller was thinking of , for example, microdosing, when he wrote that.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Someone reprints an advertising blurb about 'super-soldiers' and thinks they've clinched an argument!

Ignoring why the drug was created will not erase the corruption of those players who used it--like Sharapova.

Those 'super-soldiers' ran out of Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.

irrelevant. The drug was created to enhance performance, and the historically proven corruption of the Russian athletics programs jumped on it for a reason--a reason shared by Sharapova.

 

[La Grande]

So what happened then? Ban overturned? 6 months? What??

 

[Mainad]

So what happened then? Ban overturned? 6 months? What??

They're still considering their verdict.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

They're still considering their verdict.

They should just make her take meladonium in the same concentration with the same frequency as she was taking it untill now for the rest of her life and let her go.

That would add hilarity to the already hilarious situation.

 

[Bartelby]

Corruption - sheer appeal to emotions

Created to enhance performance - completely incorrect as usual

Ignoring why the drug was created will not erase the corruption of those players who used it--like Sharapova.

irrelevant. The drug was created to enhance performance, and the historically proven corruption of the Russian athletics programs jumped on it for a reason--a reason shared by Sharapova.