Sharapova - Intentional or Unintentional poll?

Sharapova

  • Intentional

    Votes: 40 50.6%
  • Unintentional

    Votes: 39 49.4%

  • Total voters
    79
Definitely knowingly consumed. She even said so. However I think her team just didn't realise the rules had been changed, that seems obvious too.
Just the diabetes story is crap. Her microexpressions looked like a liar. She should have just said: yes, i took it as a legal supplement, but we failed to realise it was illegal.
 

PHS_10

Banned
I don't buy that diabetes excuse of hers. Almost all top athletes in sports consume PED's which are legal. She has such a huge entourge and they weren't aware of the email and the updated list of banned substances. Monumental ****ery on their part and Maria ofcourse.
 
Lol @ OP. She intentionally ingested the substance; it was knowingly consumed. As @DiscoMaintenant points out, she even said so. Her supplements weren't spiked. Just calm down, all of you, and stop creating off-shoot threads. If you wish to discuss a specific issue relating to this, just go to the "Sharapova fails a drug test" thread.
 
That obviously, implies consuming it on purpose. Eren rattling you?
Because she consumed it on purpose. There is no question about that. She knowingly took the substance. There is no need for implication. She admitted that she took it on purpose. Her excuse is that she did not know she was committing an infraction in so doing.
 
Because she consumed it on purpose. There is no question about that. She knowingly took the substance. There is no need for implication. She admitted that she took it on purpose. Her excuse is that she did not know she was breaking the law in so doing.
At least metaphorically, you comprehend what I meant?
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

Guest
Definitely knowingly consumed. She even said so. However I think her team just didn't realise the rules had been changed, that seems obvious too.
Just the diabetes story is crap. Her microexpressions looked like a liar. She should have just said: yes, i took it as a legal supplement, but we failed to realise it was illegal.
Perfectly said, diabetes story looks like a excuse , but she is not foolish enough to take banned drug before testing without any masking agent , just her team fuked her completely by being careless.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The intent question is whether she intentionally ingested a substance knowing it to be banned. If she knew it to be banned then you'd think she'd pay a lot of attention to the question of detection.

It's clear that she didn't if she wrote it on her drug declaration form or, if it was an attempt at deception, you're left with the conclusion she was reckless as to the consequences of being discovered.
 

jelle v

Hall of Fame
At this point in time, with the information we have, I think there was no intention to break the rules.

As said above, she should just admit that she was taking it as a legal substance and that she screwed up with missing the updated list. There is no doubt in my mind that the actually missed the update for the reason she stated in her press conference.

The short period that the drug has been banned, also makes me think that the punishment should very low, with a probation of 2 years or so and maybe increased tests.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
That's the million dollar question. Honestly, I don't know. She may have. She may have said, "screw the rules. I need to beat Serena, damn it!". Or, it may have been an oversight. Whilst an oversight may be a mitigating factor, ignorance of the law excuses no one, and she should be punished.
Interesting hypothetical: what would you say if this case went to court and Maria asked you to represent her?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I don't think this works quite like a court of law in that you are very strictly liable for what's in your body. So she would argue lack of intent, but that still gets you two years.

She would argue for leniency on various grounds, but things like remorse are irrelevant.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
While technically she is cheating since beginning of 2016, the cover up with magnesium deficiency , heart condition and diabetes are just plain DUMB.

She probably would have thought that the testers would not show up on that day
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

Guest
Definitely knowingly consumed. She even said so. However I think her team just didn't realise the rules had been changed, that seems obvious too.
Just the diabetes story is crap. Her microexpressions looked like a liar. She should have just said: yes, i took it as a legal supplement, but we failed to realise it was illegal.
The point is, she absolutely needed the medical conditions story. Otherwise she was not allowed to take the drug in certain countries, even while they were not banned by the WADA.

Without the medical conditions line, she'd be facing criminal charges.
 

Algo

Hall of Fame
She has to fire whoever is in charge of what she takes.
Somebody had to know there was a rule change. One could argue it's the sportsperson him/herself that should.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
It's obvious that she unintentionally took it this year. The only question is whether the diabetes/magnesium stuff was b.s. and she was taking 2000mg per session as a minor PED.
Even in the latter scenario I am not bothered that much, as it was legal.
I don't see how anyone can think she knowingly took an illegal substance ahead of a guaranteed drug test.
 
It's obvious that she unintentionally took it this year.
i think you need some mildronate to get some mental clarity. She took it intentionally every year except this year? Lolz. She said she took it knowingly, but she implied that since only 'meldonium' is named on the doping list, mildronate was acceptable. She implied not knowing those substances were equal. But there is no discussion that she took the substance intentionally.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
i think you need some mildronate to get some mental clarity. She took it intentionally every year except this year? Lolz. She said she took it knowingly, but she implied that since only 'meldonium' is named on the doping list, mildronate was acceptable. She implied not knowing those substances were equal. But there is no discussion that she took the substance intentionally.
Slow your role. It was a typo. I meant the violation was obviously unintentional. There's no way she new it was illegal, then took it shortly before the AO when she knew she'd be tested there.
 
I don't think this works quite like a court of law in that you are very strictly liable for what's in your body. So she would argue lack of intent, but that still gets you two years.

She would argue for leniency on various grounds, but things like remorse are irrelevant.
How come you never tag or quote people you are responding to? How was I supposed to know you were responding to me? And I know things like remorse are irrelevant, but I was answering an hypothetical question. Krish872007 asked me:

what would you say if this case went to court and Maria asked you to represent her?
I assumed he was talking about a court of law.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
While technically she is cheating since beginning of 2016, the cover up with magnesium deficiency , heart condition and diabetes are just plain DUMB.

She probably would have thought that the testers would not show up on that day
I would be least surprised if this drug was effective as PED since 2006. There are lot of doctors and physicians whose job is to do just that. PED is a huge market where you can make insane amount of money.

Best part is, I don't think she is alone.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
She was legally on peds for last 10 years which has now become illegal and got caught.

In all she is guilty of taking peds to enhance her performance. Intentional it was knowing that she has been taking it for more than 10 years!
 

Lefty5

Hall of Fame
The only thing she is guilty of is being an idiot for not knowing this was going to be added to the banned list in 2016.
 
Slow your role. It was a typo. I meant the violation was obviously unintentional. There's no way she new it was illegal, then took it shortly before the AO when she knew she'd be tested there.
Do all players get tested at the AO?

Do you know how long the substance stays in the human body?

Do you know, if it can be used as a masking agent for something else?

Do you know how many russian athletes are using this stuff and how many have been caught in the last couple of weeks?

:cool:
 
Do all players get tested at the AO?

Do you know how long the substance stays in the human body?

Do you know, if it can be used as a masking agent for something else?

Do you know how many russian athletes are using this stuff and how many have been caught in the last couple of weeks?

:cool:
It's stays less than 2 full days for a max 2000 dosage and 6 hour half life. That seems strange to be taking it during competition...
 
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