Sharapova's drug Meldonium was announced as banned substance in SEPTEMBER 2015

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La Grande

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https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-publishes-2016-prohibited-list

On 16 September, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Executive Committee approved the 2016 List of Prohibited Substances and Methods, which is now available on WADA’s website. The List will come into force on 1 January 2016.

Meaning that although it only came into force on 1 January 2016, the fact that it would be banned on that date was made public more than three months before, 29th September (When the article was published).

Are we meant to believe that she had no idea for 4 months? Or was this just a massive and honest oversight/mistake?

Thoughts
 
La Grande said:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-publishes-2016-prohibited-list

On 16 September, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Executive Committee approved the 2016 List of Prohibited Substances and Methods, which is now available on WADA’s website. The List will come into force on 1 January 2016.

Meaning that although it only came into force on 1 January 2016, the fact that it would be banned on that date was made public more than three months before, 29th September (When the article was published).

Are we meant to believe that she had no idea for 4 months? Or was this just a massive and honest oversight/mistake?

Thoughts
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How often people check WADA website? Once a day?
 
I reckon athletes and their team in general discuss what is to be taken and what is not to be taken, hence i reckon it is unlikely that a drug she was taking was banned and she does not know about it that it got banned. If she did not know about the developments, then her team is at fault because it is their job to be abreast with developments and apprise Maria about it. In either case she will be held responsible.
 
I fail to see your point? The drug had only been banned for 3 weeks when she was tested and she readily disclosed it when tested (according to reports). After she had already been taking it LEGALLY for 10 years. Talk of a ban is beyond ridiculous in these circumstances.

I would love to see them ask every one of the hundreds of tennis players on the tour and find out how many of them were also aware that Meldonium was suddenly on the banned list now??? I bet any money hardly any at all would know.

The whole thing smells fishy. All the ridiculous hysteria from WADA recently seems for all the world to be politically motivated, targeting Russia. I can guarantee if Serena Williams was the one taking it, you wouldnt be hearing a thing right now.
 
Zoolander said:
I fail to see your point? The drug had only been banned for 3 weeks when she was tested and she readily disclosed it when tested (according to reports). After she had already been taking it LEGALLY for 10 years. Talk of a ban is beyond ridiculous in these circumstances.

I would love to see them ask every one of the hundreds of tennis players on the tour and find out how many of them were also aware that Meldonium was suddenly on the banned list now??? I bet any money hardly any at all would know.

The whole thing smells fishy. All the ridiculous hysteria from WADA recently seems for all the world to be politically motivated, targeting Russia. I can guarantee if Serena Williams was the one taking it, you wouldnt be hearing a thing right now.
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Lol more like there would be even more topics than there are on here tonight as it is.
 
A terrible mistake , and she will going to pay for her whole life, her whole team members deserves firing.
 
Medication was the on the market for everyone, not just Russian athletes, for the last 10yrs.
Every serious athlete's team know what can and what cant be taken.
In these circles word spreads out very fast.
It is almost impossible that doctors in teams surrounding athletes are unaware of changes considering suplements and stuff.

Im not into conspiracy theory things but it is hard for me to believe that athletes are not informed ( on their own or by doctors ), especialy Russian population.
 
Same thoughts as when Cilic and others were "busted."

I simply can not understand the following. These are the elite level athletes of the sport and what they ingest can not only harm their careers but adversely impact many other parties who are supposed to be looking after them. They have agents, managers and others who are supposed to look after their interests, right ? It can not be that these WADA rules are simply received only by the player and tossed on a pile of papers.

Wouldn't/shouldn't the rules be made WIDELY available and by multiple channels. With affirmative acknowledgement of receipt. And perhaps by posting at, say, the majors. Or by delivery to an agent/manager appointed by the player and copied to their doctor. I don't know how it works. It can not work in the manner I think Maria is suggesting or else it's crazy.

And even if rule updates are sent by "sub-optimal" means doesn't her management keep on top of these critical announcements ? The players personal medical doctor is not either directly up to speed on each and every WADA drug related rule update or at least kept in the loop on a timely basis by the management ? Again, I'm simply dumbstruck. Maybe #150 in the world who is more worried about her laundry then her mail can let it slip (not really but at least I can stretch my imagination). How this alleged scenario played out with Maria well it's either a massive, negligent oversight by multiple parties or the story is fiction. Or something else is going on that I'm missing and maybe someone can enlighten me.
 
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I think Sharapova is an intelligent woman. I also don't think that if she intentionally took the drug to gain an advantage in the sport, she would call a press conference to reveal it.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Lol more like there would be even more topics than there are on here tonight as it is.
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Sorry, i mis-spoke! I meant you wouldnt hear a thing because it would be quickly hushed up and covered up by the powers that be, never to see the light of day. I think Sharapova is a convienient scapegoat for a political purpose, and for the ITF to try and look "tough" against PED's at the same time, so we pick on the Russian. If it was Serena, you'd hear crickets from WADA and the ITF.......
 
Zoolander said:
Sorry, i mis-spoke! I meant you wouldnt hear a thing because it would be quickly hushed up and covered up by the powers that be, never to see the light of day. I think Sharapova is a convienient scapegoat for a political purpose, and for the ITF to try and look "tough" against PED's at the same time, so we pick on the Russian. If it was Serena, you'd hear crickets from WADA and the ITF.......
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I know what you meant, I don't think so. There's no big hub-bub to all this, if you take something, it's eventually coming out, no matter where you live.
 
This will explain why djokovic will not have as good a 2016.
 
Zoolander said:
I fail to see your point? The drug had only been banned for 3 weeks when she was tested and she readily disclosed it when tested (according to reports). After she had already been taking it LEGALLY for 10 years. Talk of a ban is beyond ridiculous in these circumstances.

I would love to see them ask every one of the hundreds of tennis players on the tour and find out how many of them were also aware that Meldonium was suddenly on the banned list now??? I bet any money hardly any at all would know.

The whole thing smells fishy. All the ridiculous hysteria from WADA recently seems for all the world to be politically motivated, targeting Russia. I can guarantee if Serena Williams was the one taking it, you wouldnt be hearing a thing right now.
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"IT'S A CONSPIRACY!"
 
La Grande said:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-publishes-2016-prohibited-list

On 16 September, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Executive Committee approved the 2016 List of Prohibited Substances and Methods, which is now available on WADA’s website. The List will come into force on 1 January 2016.

Meaning that although it only came into force on 1 January 2016, the fact that it would be banned on that date was made public more than three months before, 29th September (When the article was published).

Are we meant to believe that she had no idea for 4 months? Or was this just a massive and honest oversight/mistake?

Thoughts
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I think the letter went out only in December
 
Pretty sure Dr. Fuentes is up and running in a different name. There is always something out there to game the system. That's why bio passports are essential. There could be similar medication drugs that are being used as PEDs. If it takes 10 years to analyze its effectiveness to enhance performance, tennis has already lost. Hence the bio passport.

I know for sure ATP is not clean.
 
Don't forget that Maria claims that she didn't know that meldonium was the other name for Mildronate, so she could have received daily reports that meldonium was banned or clicked on her email link and read the list and still wouldn't have known that her drug was banned.

When they told her that she tested positive to meldonium, she probably had to do a google search to find out that it was the other name for mildronate. :D

This is comical.
 
4-6 weeks is normal treatment for drug in Sharapova case

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/...-6-weeks-normal-treatment-drug-sharapova-case

She's been taking it for 10 YEARS. She knew she was taking it as a PED and was all too happy to skirt the rules up until the point that the ITF caught on. Her "claim" that she was taking it for medical reasons is akin to a 20 year getting a medical marijuana prescription for "headaches."
 
TheNatural said:
Don't forget that Maria claims that she didn't know that meldonium was the other name for Mildronate, so she could have received daily reports that meldonium was banned or clicked on her email link and read the list and still wouldn't have known that her drug was banned.

When they told her that she tested positive to meldonium, she probably had to do a google search to find out that it was the other name for mildronate. :D

This is comical.
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If the announcement from WADA/WTA omitted to give the common name, they should be held responsible for it. I would urge Sharapova to sue them in the European Commission on Human Rights.
 
AceSalvo said:
Pretty sure Dr. Fuentes is up and running in a different name. There is always something out there to game the system. That's why bio passports are essential. There could be similar medication drugs that are being used as PEDs. If it takes 10 years to analyze its effectiveness to enhance performance, tennis has already lost. Hence the bio passport.

I know for sure ATP is not clean.
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I know for sure you have zero evidence. Did a friend of a friend tell you about it?
 
Tshooter said:
...These are the elite level athletes of the sport and what they ingest can not only harm their careers but adversely impact many other parties who are supposed to be looking after them. They have agents, managers and others who are supposed to look after their interests, right ? It can not be that these WADA rules are simply received only by the player and tossed on a pile of papers...And even if rule updates are sent by "sub-optimal" means doesn't her management keep on top of these critical announcements ? The players personal medical doctor is not either directly up to speed on each and every WADA drug related rule update or at least kept in the loop on a timely basis by the management ? Again, I'm simply dumbstruck. Maybe #150 in the world who is more worried about her laundry then her mail can let it slip (not really but at least I can stretch my imagination). How this alleged scenario played out with Maria well it's either a massive, negligent oversight by multiple parties or the story is fiction. Or something else is going on that I'm missing and maybe someone can enlighten me.
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i have no answers for you my friend, but if it happens as it was described to us, it tells us that at least one wta pro holds an email containing a link to the list of banned substances in the same esteem as an email from geico offering to save her big money on her car insurance! imagine if everyone does it this way (in all fairness maybe 'pova wasn't the only one who didn't click on the link). if what we were told is indeed true, then doesn't that show us how seriously (or not) some players take drug testing/ banned substances?
 
Lol people I've seen who have spoke about this (from the tennis world) give her only praise for "being brave" and hardly any criticism hahahahahaha
 
vandre said:
i have no answers for you my friend, but if it happens as it was described to us,...
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Email the elite athlete with a link. Maybe they open, maybe not. Maybe they understand what's in it, maybe not. No one else is involved.

That's how it works ? That's preposterous.
 
Zoolander said:
I would love to see them ask every one of the hundreds of tennis players on the tour and find out how many of them were also aware that Meldonium was suddenly on the banned list now??? I bet any money hardly any at all would know.
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Players have management, coaching staff, a regular physician (or several, for some players) and therapists, so with all parties understanding that their "boss" --the player--is in a sport where the use and subject of drug use is under the scrutiny of WADA, then all should be used to the standard practice of making sure any used drugs are not on the banned list, or are otherwise cleared for use.

For a walking industry like Sharapova and her handlers, there's no excuse for them to not know what she was taking, and to monitor the assessment of drugs. Tennis is, after all, her career.

The whole thing smells fishy. All the ridiculous hysteria from WADA recently seems for all the world to be politically motivated, targeting Russia.
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Where is the evidence for this charge? Are Russians the only players being exposed? Hardly.

I can guarantee if Serena Williams was the one taking it, you wouldnt be hearing a thing right now.
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AHHHAAHAHAHAHAAAH!!!! Comedy gold!

Serena is already the target of a universe of hollow doping accusations, and has been for years. If she was in Sharapova's place, the most evil, torrential flood of hate and BS would flood social media, news media, etc. Without a particle of evidence against her, she's routinely victimized by those who cannot stand the fact that she--the "wrong" player--while not the GOAT, is one of the best of all others in history.

MichaelNadal said:
Lol more like there would be even more topics than there are on here tonight as it is.
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Exactly.


Backhand Smash said:
Only brainwashed russians and idiots can believe that she and her team didn't know exactly what she was taking.
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...and her bitter TW fan club. I do notice one the worst of her TW fan club has avoided every Sharapova thread......
 
Tshooter said:
Email the elite athlete with a link. Maybe they open, maybe not. Maybe they understand what's in it, maybe not. No one else is involved.

That's how it works ? That's preposterous.
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It is a little funny to think that this is the method for such pertinent information... I worked for a North Eastern State for couple of years and in no way would email be an acceptable means to deliver information to the employee. You went to a seminar and were handed documents, then signed/dated/time of signature was required that you received said information and were present for that information. Why is their no protocol for handing this type of information out?
 
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tennisfan2015 said:
How often people check WADA website? Once a day?
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Apparenty you only have to check the WADA web site once a year to figure it out.

Just check it once a year (on Oct. 1 or later) and you'll be able to tell what you can take next year. It surprised me but they don't update the list on a rolling basis instead they update once a year.

"The List is updated annually following an extensive consultation process facilitated by WADA.

The updated List is published by October 1 and comes into effect on January 1 the following year.

The 2016 List is valid from January 1 to December 31, 2016."

One thing I did not see in a 10 second review of the web page is breaking out clearly any new banned substances which is presumably what a player most needs to know.

This is what I would want from my agency if I'm a $30 million a year revenue source. Once a year after Oct 1 I want a letter signed by the agency stating that after consultation with my current doctor that none of the substances I'm taking now or my doctor intends to proscribe going forward (listing all of them) are prohibited currently or throughout the next year. Then everyone can get on with the tennis.
 
Tshooter said:
Apparenty you only have to check the WADA web site once a year to figure it out.

Just check it once a year (on Oct. 1 or later) and you'll be able to tell what you can take next year. It surprised me but they don't update the list on a rolling basis instead they update once a year.

"The List is updated annually following an extensive consultation process facilitated by WADA.

The updated List is published by October 1 and comes into effect on January 1 the following year.

The 2016 List is valid from January 1 to December 31, 2016."

One thing I did not see in a 10 second review of the web page is breaking out clearly any new banned substances which is presumably what a player most needs to know.

This is what I would want from my agency if I'm a $30 million a year revenue source. Once a year after Oct 1 I want a letter signed by the agency stating that after consultation with my current doctor that none of the substances I'm taking now or my doctor intends to proscribe going forward (listing all of them) are prohibited currently or throughout the next year. Then everyone can get on with the tennis.
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Why would they need to update it more than once a year....that creates way too many problems for a lot of people.
The drugs that they feel is performance enhancing is put in a 1 year trial where they monitor the drug. Once they add it to the list and inform people they don't need to come up with a new list to update it with.
 
If you ban East European drugs you'll catch East European athletes.

I'm sure that WADA has been carefully advised as to this simple fact.
 
Man of steel said:
Why would they need to update it more than once a year....that creates way too many problems for a lot of people.
The drugs that they feel is performance enhancing is put in a 1 year trial where they monitor the drug. Once they add it to the list and inform people they don't need to come up with a new list to update it with.
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Just goes to my ignorance regarding how it works.
 
You know, I've made enough huge oversights on my part to be able to accept that this could've been one huge oversight on her part (and anyone else's).
 
Tshooter said:
Apparenty you only have to check the WADA web site once a year to figure it out.

Just check it once a year (on Oct. 1 or later) and you'll be able to tell what you can take next year. It surprised me but they don't update the list on a rolling basis instead they update once a year.

"The List is updated annually following an extensive consultation process facilitated by WADA.

The updated List is published by October 1 and comes into effect on January 1 the following year.

The 2016 List is valid from January 1 to December 31, 2016."

One thing I did not see in a 10 second review of the web page is breaking out clearly any new banned substances which is presumably what a player most needs to know.

This is what I would want from my agency if I'm a $30 million a year revenue source. Once a year after Oct 1 I want a letter signed by the agency stating that after consultation with my current doctor that none of the substances I'm taking now or my doctor intends to proscribe going forward (listing all of them) are prohibited currently or throughout the next year. Then everyone can get on with the tennis.
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Absolutely agreed. Not only that if I was on $30m + in sponsorships I would not take a prescription PED or whatever you want to call it. With that kind of money and with intent to use it (if there is any) one step ahead of WADA would be recommended. And definitely would not waste my time with PEDs that perhaps have some marginal effect, if any.
 
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