Shingles Shingrix shot ... still sore

I had measles and mumps as a kid, theoretically no permanent harm. Fast forward to decades later and talking to one of my buddies who is 30 yrs my senior who got shingles about 10 yrs ago. He told me he would just tough it out as being WWII Marine vet as well as a professional geologist who worked in a number of countries he felt he knew what a little pain and deprivation were all about. He lives by himself in a cabin in the woods with a handful of dogs, 10,000 books and an internet connection. He said, Craig get vaccinated, cause you will not be able to "tough shingles out." Although he avoids doctors and hospitals like the plague he said he could not tough it out and had to be treated. I got a similar story from another tough old veteran friend of mine. I listen to the voices of experience from people I trust. I got the old shot a couple of years ago and got the shingrex shot several weeks ago. The arm hurt a day or so, but didn't impact playing tennis.

Incidentally my old WWII vet friend eye-witnessed a tennis match between Billie Jean King and Evonne Goolagong. He has been smitten by Goolagong ever since.

When I hear conspiracy talk I just smile and walk down the street whistling a tune with tin foil tucked into my baseball cap:)
 

Mac33

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Telling someone to get vaccinated as the disease is painful or whatever - that is based on a huge assumption that the vaccine actually works.

More people get the flu who have been vaccinated than who do not take the shot,the same can be said for numerous other shots.
 
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Telling someone to get vaccinated as the disease is painful or whatever - that is asked on a huge assumption that the vaccine actually works.

More people get the flu who have been vaccinated than who do not take the shot,the same can be said for numerous other shots.
No sources. Okay
 

Mac33

Professional
I look at all the people I know as my best indicator of the safety of vaccination.

From that I have concluded vaccines are a real threat to the well being of the public as I know so many of my friends who have been harmed in one way or another.

If their data does not back up this up,too bad.

Look who in part funds their studies and you'll take their findings with a pinch of salt.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...on-and-more-long-term-benefits-than-vaccines/
 

Mac33

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Debunk this......

Other countries in Europe also are faced with addressing continuing reports of HPV vaccine injuries among their residents. In Spain, there had been 737 reports of HPV vaccine reactions, including three associated deaths, through January 2012. The creation of the Association of People Affected by HPV Vaccine (AAVP) was intended to address the issue of financial assistance for those suffering from HPV vaccine injury through lawsuits or government compensation.
The AAVP even requested that the Spanish Health Ministry ban HPV vaccines from the official vaccination schedule for the country.6 7 More recently, a public health inspector in Spain has launched a petition against the HPV vaccine that has accrued 35,000 signatures so far.
In 2014, France sent a similar petition to policymakers demanding further investigation into the safety of HPV vaccines with hundreds of thousands of signatures, including those from more than 700 doctors and 300 midwives.8
In early 2015, the United Kingdom established the Association of HPV Vaccine Injured Daughters (AHVID). In a survey among 94 AHVID members, 27 girls reported same-day reactions to the HPV vaccine, while 22 girls reported reactions within 7 days and 16 girls reported reactions with 30 days. Eight girls have a confirmed diagnosis of CRPS.9
Japan Continues Monitoring HPV Vaccine Reactions
After recording 1,968 adverse reactions—358 events deemed as serious—since the country began offering Gardasil vaccine to girls, Japan’s Vaccine Adverse Reactions Review Committee announced a moratorium on HPV vaccine use in June 2013. The Committee concluded that HPV vaccine should not be recommended for girls aged 12 to 16 years until safety concerns were fully addressed.10
Japan is considering overturning the decision for a moratorium on HPV vaccination, but is not yet convinced the vaccine is safe. In 2015, Japan’s Health Ministry surveyed 1,739 patients who received the HPV vaccine, revealing that 186 of them reported side effects, such as headaches, fatigue and muscle weakness. Further, 135 cases were severe enough to interfere with their daily activities.11 The government health agency determined an “undeniable causal relationship” for 11 of the cases and pay approximately $300 per month in government compensation is paid to each of the 11 HPV vaccine injured girls.12
In November, the private medical supply supervisory group, Medwatcher Japan, hosted a symposium titled, “Problems with the HPV Vaccine,” to further address reports that HPV vaccines are causing severe brain and immune system problems like POTS and CRPS.13


https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015...pv-vaccines-safe-but-denmark-japan-skeptical/
 
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I look at all the people I know as my best indicator of the safety of vaccination.

From that I have concluded vaccines are a real threat to the well being of the public as I know so many of my friends who have been harmed in one way or another.

If their data does not back up this up,too bad.

Look who in part funds their studies and you'll take their findings with a pinch of salt.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...on-and-more-long-term-benefits-than-vaccines/
I look at all people I know that smoke as an indicator of how dangerous it is. All have lived to 90+. Clearly smoking is the key to longevity
 
Debunk this......

Other countries in Europe also are faced with addressing continuing reports of HPV vaccine injuries among their residents. In Spain, there had been 737 reports of HPV vaccine reactions, including three associated deaths, through January 2012. The creation of the Association of People Affected by HPV Vaccine (AAVP) was intended to address the issue of financial assistance for those suffering from HPV vaccine injury through lawsuits or government compensation.
The AAVP even requested that the Spanish Health Ministry ban HPV vaccines from the official vaccination schedule for the country.6 7 More recently, a public health inspector in Spain has launched a petition against the HPV vaccine that has accrued 35,000 signatures so far.
In 2014, France sent a similar petition to policymakers demanding further investigation into the safety of HPV vaccines with hundreds of thousands of signatures, including those from more than 700 doctors and 300 midwives.8
In early 2015, the United Kingdom established the Association of HPV Vaccine Injured Daughters (AHVID). In a survey among 94 AHVID members, 27 girls reported same-day reactions to the HPV vaccine, while 22 girls reported reactions within 7 days and 16 girls reported reactions with 30 days. Eight girls have a confirmed diagnosis of CRPS.9
Japan Continues Monitoring HPV Vaccine Reactions
After recording 1,968 adverse reactions—358 events deemed as serious—since the country began offering Gardasil vaccine to girls, Japan’s Vaccine Adverse Reactions Review Committee announced a moratorium on HPV vaccine use in June 2013. The Committee concluded that HPV vaccine should not be recommended for girls aged 12 to 16 years until safety concerns were fully addressed.10
Japan is considering overturning the decision for a moratorium on HPV vaccination, but is not yet convinced the vaccine is safe. In 2015, Japan’s Health Ministry surveyed 1,739 patients who received the HPV vaccine, revealing that 186 of them reported side effects, such as headaches, fatigue and muscle weakness. Further, 135 cases were severe enough to interfere with their daily activities.11 The government health agency determined an “undeniable causal relationship” for 11 of the cases and pay approximately $300 per month in government compensation is paid to each of the 11 HPV vaccine injured girls.12
In November, the private medical supply supervisory group, Medwatcher Japan, hosted a symposium titled, “Problems with the HPV Vaccine,” to further address reports that HPV vaccines are causing severe brain and immune system problems like POTS and CRPS.13


https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015...pv-vaccines-safe-but-denmark-japan-skeptical/
Japan banning HPV vaccines is one the biggest antivax myths. You're not helping your cause by spreading lies.
 
Never said they banned the cervical cancer vaccine but they did have strong concerns if you read the earlier article.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html
Your article claimed Japan banned HPV, and your new article is about the completely different MMR vaccine. Japan health dept hasn't banned either vaccine but has withdrawn their recommendation after public hysteria whipped up by the antivax community "until they could be sure of their safety".

Numerous studies in Japan and abroad have since shown the safety of both vaccines and proven no link at all between MMR and autism, yet they are still not back on the list of recommended vaccines much to the frustration of the Japanese medical community.

No surprise that there is now a measles outbreak in Japan. :(

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/japan-bans-gardasil-debunking-myths-hpv-vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/science...ring-hpv-vaccine-misinformation-riko-muranaka
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5887012/
 
Nothing pisses me off more than the anti-vax community. Clearly a sign that morons are close to running the earth.

Antibiotics and vaccines have been the two greatest medical discoveries of all time and its not even close. They were proven effective long before Big Pharma was involved and continue to be effective today. The risks so far outweigh the benefits its crazy. People take radiation and chemotherapy for cancer and those things have 5% risk of serious complications. It's like 0.00001% with vaccines.

I've seen polio. I've seen subacute sclerosing panencephalitis from measles. I've seen Guillain Barre Syndrome from the flu. I've seen post encephalitic parkinsonism from the flu. I've seen elderly people we've had to put in a coma because of the pain from shingles. These are some terrible diseases. Vaccines are a godsend to help us prevent them.

The problem today is the anti-vaxxers have no real life experience with the diseases we now prevent with vaccines. Small pox, polio and influenza have nearly decimated populations in the past. Apparently humanity is doomed to repeat history because stupid people can't learn from the experience of previous generations. I guess that's why we keep fighting wars.

That being said, maybe when I'm old enough all the antivaxxers will convince the world that viruses are a good thing and we can all have a big epidemic, rid ourselves of all half the human population and settle down this global warming thing.
 
Nothing pisses me off more than the anti-vax community. Clearly a sign that morons are close to running the earth.

Antibiotics and vaccines have been the two greatest medical discoveries of all time and its not even close. They were proven effective long before Big Pharma was involved and continue to be effective today. The risks so far outweigh the benefits its crazy. People take radiation and chemotherapy for cancer and those things have 5% risk of serious complications. It's like 0.00001% with vaccines.

I've seen polio. I've seen subacute sclerosing panencephalitis from measles. I've seen Guillain Barre Syndrome from the flu. I've seen post encephalitic parkinsonism from the flu. I've seen elderly people we've had to put in a coma because of the pain from shingles. These are some terrible diseases. Vaccines are a godsend to help us prevent them.

The problem today is the anti-vaxxers have no real life experience with the diseases we now prevent with vaccines. Small pox, polio and influenza have nearly decimated populations in the past. Apparently humanity is doomed to repeat history because stupid people can't learn from the experience of previous generations. I guess that's why we keep fighting wars.

That being said, maybe when I'm old enough all the antivaxxers will convince the world that viruses are a good thing and we can all have a big epidemic, rid ourselves of all half the human population and settle down this global warming thing.
Nah ... shot to high with 50%, only 25% are worth keeping.
 
Some thoughts on the subject of vaccinations:

First ... concerns on all sides are very significant, some of the most consequential decisions we make in a society. Injecting anything in our body will always come with risks. Throw in the profit motive of big Pharma, and imo our government and society being run by big $, and it would be foolish to follow like sheep. But there is the other side ... the real risk of mass deaths, pandemics, etc.

So it's like many things, there is no risk free choice. Driving to work is not risk free. You try and make the best risk vs benefit choices, knowing it's not 100%. It would be great if each of us could make our choice about vaccinations for ourselves, and our family without effecting anyone but ourselves, but it doesn't work that way.

Vaccinations is a tough debate because it's an intersection of "rights" and "limits to those rights" .... and real potential life and death consequences. In general, you have 100% of your rights up to the point they become in competition with someone else's rights. You can yell fire all day, but not in a crowded theater. You have the right to swing your fist just short of someone else's nose. No such thing as unlimited rights. So if we talk about vaccinations in terms of rights .... there is a competition between "your right to not be forced to get a vaccination for yourself or your kids" vs "other's rights to be able to go to public places and not catch measles, etc". So for someone claiming autonomy in their right to not get vaccinated, there are follow up questions. If you or your kid catch something ... measles, polio, etc ... does your autonomous 100% limitless right allow you to go to public places. Can you get on a plane or train infected? Can your kid go to school? If you say ... "no, I accept that I can not go to public places infected", my next question is "how do you know you are infected"? You are almost always contagious before you know.

IMO .... concerns are valid on both sides, but I see no way based on history that this works by large parts of the population avoiding vaccinations. I never hear the antivaxxer follow up details on their self-quarantine plans when infected. Even if they came up with a logical plan, most can't stay home from work ... they need the paycheck. For many, public school is where the kids are during the day, and both parents work. There is no $ for personal home care for the kids, and that puts another human (home care nurse) at risk of infection.

I think the thing that pisses me off the worse in this debate is it's invariably the small government tribe that tends to be the anti-vaxxers. It would be one thing to say ... in an effort to protect an individual (and their family) right to NOT vaccinate, they would be for government infected safety-nets. Public free screening, public free place to quarantine the infected kids, enough worker's sick days to stay home long enough to no longer be contagious, triage setup at urgent care (should have that anyway) and ERs so everyone in the lobby doesn't catch it, etc).

You will never hear that follow up .... just "it's a violation of my rights".
 

Mac33

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Here is the video of Exley for those willing to spend some time researching rather than just believing vaccines are safe. They are not safe,in fact they are toxic and cause a whole host of diseases.

 
1200 people have died in Madagascar from measles outbreak this year. I don't know any human that has died from a vaccine. Just a lot of wacky anecdotes of vaccine related illness that lack scientific validity.
 
Here is the video of Exley for those willing to spend some time researching rather than just believing vaccines are safe. They are not safe,in fact they are toxic and cause a whole host of diseases.

Chris Exley makes money from a company that sells silica rich mineral water to detoxify people of aluminum. He's hardly an unbiased source. He's said Aluminum causes Alzheimers, breast cancer and autism. I'm sure he'll track down a few more diseases to link to Aluminum and help his mineral water investment further.

The more diseases a toxin is said to cause, the less likely it is to cause any of them. The corollary is also true. The more diseases a treatment is said to cure, the less likely it is to cure any of them.
 
The Pharmaceutical Industry thanks you, from the
bottom of their barrel. (probably made video)


And what's with the 'Anti-vaxxer'?

More like 'Anti-big-corporation-toxic-product-er'.

Or 'Anti-fall-for-science-is-sacrosanct-er'.

Or 'Anti-sucker-for-slick-marketing-er'.


And I have to add, don't the anti-choice vax-sters
use every dirty trick in the book to try & convince
people into taking their 'bad medicine'?

That SHOULD tell you something RIGHT there.

Add that to the producers immunity(sic) from
prosecution for ANY harm that's caused by their
wonderfully safe and effective 'products' and
you'd have to be a straight up moron to get them.
 

norcal

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The Pharmaceutical Industry thanks you, from the
bottom of their barrel. (probably made video)


And what's with the 'Anti-vaxxer'?

More like 'Anti-big-corporation-toxic-product-er'.

Or 'Anti-fall-for-science-is-sacrosanct-er'.

Or 'Anti-sucker-for-slick-marketing-er'.


And I have to add, don't the anti-choice vax-sters
use every dirty trick in the book to try & convince
people into taking their 'bad medicine'?

That SHOULD tell you something RIGHT there.

Add that to the producers immunity(sic) from
prosecution for ANY harm that's caused by their
wonderfully safe and effective 'products' and
you'd have to be a straight up moron to get them.

What's up over50'schamp? Long time no hear from. Were you banned or did you just create another account to support your anti vaxxer views? You probably thought not mentioning circumcision would fool people but you need to change your writing style as well.

Anyway, welcome back and hope you're getting some good hitting in this spring.
 
Notice how the Vaxx-lovers, corporations and their useful idiots, NEVER defend their beliefs, since they're
pretty much indefensible, when all the FACTS are in.

So they do the only thing they can, getting offensive with those that don't fall for their indefensible BS.

Sometimes the ONLY defense is to go on the offense, since the truth can't be denied. (or lies defended)

And Vaxx-pushers sure are offensive, but what else can they do? (wouldn't want to state EXACTLY what
is in the syringe, since mercury and aluminum might be worrisome to the easily fooled)

None of that 'nonsense', like facts and proof, from the CULT of modern science, where truth and
non-believers are damned vehemently.

IF you REALLY knew WHAT was in that syringe, (and you had any sense) you'd CRINGE.
 
It's been mentioned several times that doctors and nurses are the least vaccinated in our community.

They obviously have first hand experience to their side effects.

https://www.sott.net/article/411175-Half-of-Western-Australian-health-workers-refuse-flu-vaccination
BS. Doctors and nurses get vaccinated at much higher rates. We all get the flu vaccine at my cancer centre.

IF you REALLY knew WHAT was in that syringe, (and you had any sense) you'd CRINGE.
The amount of aluminium is inconsequential compared to environmental exposure just from breathing and there is no mercury in 90% of vaccines these days. It's just anti-vaxxers reaching for excuses to support their movement and sheep following along.
 
Here is the link to the article from Perthnow.com. Doctors and nurses are the least vaccinated in West Australia anyway.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/he...workers-refuse-flu-vaccination-ng-b881166863z

That article said that 50% of health care workers were vaccinated and doesn't at all say what the rate in the general population is. And this is flu vaccine, not measles or polio.

Our health care facility has strict rules whereby you get vaccinated and show proof or you wear a surgical mask to work all through flu season and get no sick days for flu related illness.

And in any event, most health care workers don't get vaccinated because its a pain to stand in line at the one flu vaccine clinic they hold at the hospital in October. Once they started holding more and the lines weren't as big, it improved rates of vaccination. Then once they brought it a no tolerance policy for the flu almost everyone got vaccinated. I'd say maybe 5 mask wearers in the clinic.
 
It must be so hard for MD's like @Dartagnan64 who put in so much time and hard work in academics and actual professional medical experience to have to listen to uneducated conspiracy theorists who don't' believe in science and think the earth is flat.

I had a few of these types trying to convince me surgeons are butchers and yoga and herbal remedies would fix my hips.
 
It must be so hard for MD's like @Dartagnan64 who put in so much time and hard work in academics and actual professional medical experience to have to listen to uneducated conspiracy theorists who don't' believe in science and think the earth is flat.

I had a few of these types trying to convince me surgeons are butchers and yoga and herbal remedies would fix my hips.
Chipotle would have cured it, unless they were having a e coli repeat.
 
BS. Doctors and nurses get vaccinated at much higher rates. We all get the flu vaccine at my cancer centre.
Have some Proof? (or is it just more pro-pharma-BS)

Should we just take your word for it, like the Vaxx'ed suckers do about what some product a corporatation they're only so happy to inject into them?
(for a nice profit, of course)

The amount of aluminium is inconsequential compared to environmental exposure just from breathing and there is no mercury in 90% of vaccines these days. It's just anti-vaxxers reaching for excuses to support their movement and sheep following along.
Again, I've heard SO many rationalizations from the pro-pok'em crowd, it's just too easy to say ' The amount of aluminium is inconsequential compared to environmental exposure just from breathing and there is no mercury in 90% of vaccines these days '.
sheep.
And as usual, don't show proof that defends the ACTUAL ingredients and their ACTUAL amounts, just more offensive ' It's just anti-vaxxers reaching for excuses to support their movement and sheep following along '. (which is VERY ironic b/c there's NO bigger sheep then those suckers lined up and waiting for that corporate-profitable, toxic, unknown liquid in a syringe - pushed by propaganda from big Pharm industry)

Profit-motivated Pharma , WITH immunity from procescution for ANY harm vaccines cause NO less, " Oh, it's only got a small amount of toxins in it, just take our word for it. " (talk about suckering the SHEEP )

Herd immunity? (more like 'heard immunity') It's REALLY just a herd mentality, from a bunch of easily herded sheep!
 
It must be so hard for MD's like @Dartagnan64 who put in so much time and hard work in academics and actual professional medical experience to have to listen to uneducated conspiracy theorists who don't' believe in science and think the earth is flat.

I had a few of these types trying to convince me surgeons are butchers and yoga and herbal remedies would fix my hips.
Again, why try do use ACTUAL facts to DEFEND your view, just go on the offensive, since it's all you have.

'It must be so hard' for vaxx-pushing 'believers' to defend the indefensible, so they don't bother.

https://www.amazon.com/Ignorance-Drives-Science-Stuart-Firestein/dp/0199828075
 
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