Shoe lace knot...

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  1. ricardo

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    If I don't like how my new strings play, I re-tension it, instead of cutting it out.

    To untie the knots easier, I use what I call a 'shoe lace' knot.
    1. Do a normal half-hitch knot but don't completely tighten at this point. Leave a hole.
    2. Insert the tail back into the same hole.
    3. Now you have two strings occupying the same hole, forming a loop
    4. Pull the inner tail to tighten it (I use a starting clamp).
    5. After tightening the knot, pull the tail to reduce the loop as small as you can
    6. Pull the tail under the anchor string, then up and insert into the loop that you created earlier. This will prevent un-tying the 1st half-hitch.
    7. Tighten.
    8. I usually leave an 8" tail on each knot to allow for re-tensioning/tie-off.
    9. See pictures for visual details: https://goo.gl/photos/YiQWapdP8jfh7Me88
    The 2nd knot is easy to untie, especially if it is a poly or monogut zx strings.
    I just push back the tail into the knot to loosen it up using a long nose pliers.

    To untie the first knot, it is as easy as un-tying your shoe laces. Just pull the tail and the knot is gone.

    I don't notice the strings losing tension or loosening up because of the 'shoe lace' knot.
     
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    You cannot be serious?
     
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    Chalk flew up everywhere!
     
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    You canKnot be serious!

    Actually use the shoe lace knot on my racquets and a Parnell knot on my shoes--I've had to restring 5 times wearing the same shoes that I cannot get off.
     
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    Before we know it some will be trying garlic knots.
     
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    Mmmmmm....garlic knots.
     
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    The best part is the garlic butter lubricates the strings.
     
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    @Ronaldo that gray knot in the center looks familiar. I seen one of those the last time I opened a set of Babolat poly I think. Bad thing is some times it's not that easy to untie and tension.
     
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  10. chrisingrassia

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    He's serious. He posts this stuff all the time. He's probably got like 20 threads all stating the same thing that he undoes his strings and re-tensions them.
    Get over yourself Ricardo, we get it. No one else is this cheap.
     
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    Sorry that login is already taken @frugal
     
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    Great post!
    I almost fell out of my chair laughing so much!
    Should get post of the month award!
     
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    Amazing snapback!
     
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    Shirley it is Gordian's Knot
     
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    @chrisingrassia , here another "cheap" stringer who re-uses the string ( and uses extreme-pre-stretch , + 50%) .

    Unless you tried don't comment! (but remember to go down with ~10% on your "normal" ref.tension with that string)
     
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  17. chrisingrassia

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    Why would I try that? Do you not understand string material characteristics at all?
    50% pre-stretch? This whole thread is crazy talk.
     
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    I have not tried it and I will comment.
    There is no appropriate words that I can post here what I think about re using strings, ( besides consistency being thrown out the door) .
     
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    I love ingenuity, but this guy is going above and beyond the call of duty.
     
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    Yes, I do. Question is: do you

    Key of the matter: it is all about consistency!
     
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    @ricardo - after all the maestro (@Irvin) has taught you and then you post this? No string for you!
     
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    Yes. Master (@Irvin) taught me well.

    I am searching for the Holy grail (strings, tension, hybrids, rackets setups).

    I am getting there. I can feel that my setups are getting better and better.

    It's definitely hybrids for me, not full bed.

    I am getting more and more convinced that the right equipment setup can help my game big time!!
     
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    Hi. Could you explain to me how you do this? Is it possible to do this for a long string, like 6meters long. I use a very
    stretchy poly on my mains. I would like to stretch it in a easy and fast way.
     
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    Electric machines usually have a pre-stretch feature button. But I'm pretty sure none have a 50% option.

    This thread is insane. I can't believe you'd take any of this to heart and try it. Cut them out and put in fresh stuff. Jesus.
    Why don't you guys just string your racquets with titanium wire and save yourself the headache?
     
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    Hi, I am using pros pro red devil. I would string it at 23kg. After like 15 minutes of hitting, I would feel the balls fly, the
    string bed getting noticeably softer. Tried stringing up to 28kg. This would improve it a bit, but the strings would
    still feel noticeably looser after like half an hour. Then I tried stretching the string at almost 40kg for like ten seconds
    and then 25 kg. This way I was getting a reliable string bed for a much longer time. Difference was very obvious.
     
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    This is because some players cannot accept that their technique needs work and they rather focus on insane equipment thoughts.
    I may be wrong, so maybe some touring pros can chime in and let us know if they reuse string looking for the holy grail, but I rather doubt it.
    Besides this reusing of string does throw out any consistency even though Mathieu will tell you otherwise, as no used string can be duplicated over and over again with same results the same way a fresh string job strung the same way each and every time with same new string.
    This thread is insane!
     
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    It be cray cray for true!
     
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    Exactly. Re-use is not "the target". Target is to get a "stable" string and stringbed.
     
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    I have done pre-stretching (20 ft long string) using different methods:
    1. Grunt method
      This is manual.
      You tie one end (I used a floating clamp) to a post or any stable object.
      Tie the other end to a 2x2 wood and pull using your body weight. I pull for about 5 minutes.
    2. Dropweight Tensioner (https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pre-stretching-using-a-dw-tensioner.554225/)
      I tie one end of the string to a post.
      I grip the other end to my DW gripper.
      I start at 30lbs all the way to 70lbs. It takes me 4 hours to pre-stretch.
    3. Actually use the strings
      I string my racket normally.
      I use it until I feel significant tension loss
      I re-tension.

      This method (#3) is what I am currently using to pro-long playability of the strings.
    Hope this helps
     
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    Method 2 was what I had in mind as well. 4 hours is very long. On my DW I was stretching at 40kg for 10 seconds each
    time and then I would tension at my regular(23-25kg) tension and clamp. Could this process be done quicker Ricardo?
     
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    wow
     
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    I do it string by string. I have a Stringway "automatic" dropweight.
    I put the weight on the lever, ref.tension. Then I put an extra weight on the "normal" one (adding +22kg). Tension the string, remove the extra weight, lift the bar, tension as normal etc.
     
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    I do it that way as well, but it's slow.
     
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    This stuff is funny.
     
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  38. ricardo

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    Another way of doing it to string all the mains @10-20lbs over your normal tension.
    Leave it clamped overnight then redo the mains at your normal tension.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen, we have now crossed over from the absurd to the sublime. What we have here is a journey into the arena of fantasy, a trek to an alternate reality, some would say stringing in....The Twilight Zone.
     
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    Re-stung string has the pliability of dry thin spaghetti, if you will. Shirley zombie string beds must be laid to rest, not revived. R.I.P.................pieces
     
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    Yesterday I strung the Pros pro red devil at 32 kgs. Normally I tension it at 25kg after pretstretching. This time no prestretch.
     
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    I did the same thing you did.
    To compensate for tension loss, I strung higher than I normally do (10 lbs higher).

    Finding:
    Significant difference!!
    I strung the higher tension first. Used it for 3 days. I assume that tension loss (static+dynamic) is more 10 lbs after 3 days.
    I then strung the 2nd identical racket at my normal tension.
    I hit both, side by side comparison.
    I prefer the racket strung normally.

    Explanation
    My analogy is this: Toned muscle (freshly strung normal tension) vs flabby/sagging muscles (higher tension racket that lost significant tension).

    Pre-stretching

    If done correctly, preserves the freshly strung playability of the strings for a longer time. No sag. No flabbiness.

    Note:
    But go ahead and do your own experiment because your experience may vary from mine.
     
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    I just played with the racquet strung at 32 kg mains (pros pro red devil). Completely sucked! Balls were flying,
    little control. This string must be prestretched otherwise it is useless.
     
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    Sorry to hear that.

    Try my go to pre-stretching method (https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pre-stretching-using-a-dw-tensioner.554225/).

    It does not really take me 4 hours. This is the elapse time. My actual involvement is only about 15 minutes.
    I just set it up and go do something else. To shorten the pre-stretch time, set the tension at 70lbs or higher right away instead of starting from 30lbs and incrementing by 10lbs until you reach 80 lbs.
     
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  45. Steve Huff

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    Irvin, that gray knot in the center is my starting knot.
     
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    I found my ideal knot..

    I have been using the shoe lace knot for a while now and I love it!!

    It is very easy to do, it holds up as well as a double half-hitch knot, and most importantly, it is very easy to un-knot, even with my eyes close.

    Now my re-tensioning process is getting better and simpler.

    Hurray!!!
     
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    My biggest problem is that i can never get a string bed tight enough and if i do it onky lasts a brief time. So Ricardos method is great for that and a lazy version is to just restring a new cross.

    If you have a string that will not go soft or lose tension initially please let me know.
     
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    Wtf is a ribbonlike loop? Do you have any picts??
     
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    The correct terminology would be, a "bight".
    So... he's trying to suggest - you leave a bight of string (and later feed the tail through that same bight of string.

    Now that you know the correct terminology, you can Google (images) to see what a bight of rope/string looks like.
     
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    Thanks. The images are all different but i think i can figure it out i hope
     
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