clayqueen
Bionic Poster
I can’t think of any.
Shot clock observation
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True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You won't know specifically unless you're counting and writing it down every time. Carlos probably had enough of it and did something about it. Most umpires were too afraid to do that.
I have the same feeling. Fergus Murphy has always done this.
clayqueen
Bionic Poster
Well Carlos got the punishment he deserved for being an idiot refusing a player time to go and deal with a legitimate problem. Players are allowed time to go and change their racquet and deal with other equipment issues so why on earth is turning your shorts the right way round not allowed? A player was allowed time to go off court and find a new pair of shoes in the middle of a game in Citi just this week when his shoe fell apart.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Federer has already started his next campaign.
AP Photo
After complaining to the chair umpire about Rafael Nadal’s grunting during his three-set loss to the Spaniard at the Australian Open, Roger Federer said he doesn't find it distracting when Rafa does it every point but instead when ‘it goes in phases. One point he does and he doesn't. That's just what I was complaining about. Had no impact on the outcome of the match, but the level was the same.”
Nadal said he was unaware that Federer complained about his grunting and was not trying to distract the Swiss.
“When I am playing, when I am hitting the ball during the point, the last thing that I am thinking is try to bother the opponent,” Nadal said. “Only thing that I am focusing is try to hit my ball well.
“I am sorry if I bothered somebody, but I never did in the past. So is something that nobody in my career, told me nothing about this, that I am bothering the opponent. But if I bothered him in any moment, he knows 100 percent it was not because I wanted. I never do nothing on court to bother the opponent. I think I did the normal things that I do in every match.”
Federer added that Nadal improved during the match when it came to taking too much time in between points, although he did appear to talk to chair umpire Jake Garner about that as well. The Grand Slams have a 20-second time rule, while the ATP has a 25-second rule. Nadal has been criticized by other players and some analysts for frequently violating the rule.
“Rafa is doing a much better job today than he used to,” Federer said. “I'm not complaining much about the time. But I think I've played him, what, three times. He's gotten two point penalties over the course of our rivalry. I just think that's not quite happening. I mean, we know how much time he used to take. I'm not complaining about so many things. But either you have rules or you don't. If you don't have rules, it's fine. Everybody can do whatever they want to do.
“I just think it's important to enforce the rules on many levels, whatever it may be. On all the players the same way. Don't give me or Djokovic a free pass just because of who we are. I think we should all be judged the same way. Not just a guy on Court 16 because the guy had a brutal rally, you have to give him a time violation just because you can. On center court, they're always going to be afraid, the umpires, to take those decisions. I just like to challenge them a little bit. I just hope they do their job correctly. If they don't, what are you going to do? Sit and watch. Sometimes you just got to say things. I didn't lose the match because of that. It didn't bother me. I just felt I had to mention something.”
Federer really comes across as a condescending pratt.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
At least condesencion is quiet. Grunting is not. And ass-picking is in your face, no?
No he didn't. Barnardes should have been fines or at least sanctioned for totally unprofessional behaviour.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
They tried this a few times in the 80s. The clock would start as soon as the point was dead. Mac and Lendl weren't too crazy about this as you may guess. Mac yelled at the umpire for starting the clock before a ball had bounced twice several times in a match at 85 RG.
But yeah I suspect the average match time will increase rather than decrease with this new shot clock.
Well if we are going to play childish games, how do you feel about Federer constantly wiping his nose with his fingers? Roddick, who had his own particular 'tic', even commented about Federer's nose wiping habit, because he also does it off court. He said, "Has the guy never heard of tissues"
Quite rightly so. Bernades could have avoided the whole incident, but he decided to be confrontational and then pleased with the outcome of his decision decided to laugh raucously at Nadal's embarrassment. I doubt he would have done the same to any other player. He was bang out of order.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I'm not on top of the nose issue, but it is one ugly nose so covering it up is a good idea.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Umpires like to confront players who break rules because ... that's what they are paid to do.
Well there's something we can agree on.
But they don't do it with any consistency. Where was Bernades during the 11 minute break taken by Nishikori at the Olympics?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Matterhorn
Rookie
That was a key moment in the fifth set of the AO 17 final which turned his fortunes around. Same for Cilic in his AO quarterfinal this year.
Perhaps players should complain more often.
Matterhorn
Rookie
Officials accused of giving Rafael Nadal a free ride
AN AUSTRALIAN tennis expert has lashed out at Rafael Nadal, saying his ugly habit has gone unpunished for far too long.
SPORTS Entertainment Network (SEN) tennis expert and Australian Open TV presenter Brett Phillips has taken aim at Rafael Nadal and tennis officials over his continual time wasting.
The Spaniard is known for pushing the boundaries — and often exceeding them — when it comes to taking advantage of the 25 seconds players are allotted between points.
He has received time violations in the past — but according to Phillips, not nearly enough. The host of SEN tennis program The First Serve says Nadal has been receiving preferential treatment for far too long because of his ranking and status in the sport.
“Grunting is one thing but there’s a bigger issue with Nadal and that’s the amount of time it takes him to play a tennis match. He gets away with absolute murder let me tell you,” Phillips told Andy Maher and Nick Dal Santo when discussing his quarter-final against Marin Cilic on SEN radio on Wednesday afternoon.
“Marin Cilic actually got a time violation. He said, ‘You’ve got to be joking.’
“Look at the bloke at the other end of the court who’s got two towels, he’s got to sort his drink bottles out — he wastes everyone’s time.
“He’s got away with it for that long.
“I love him (Nadal) and it’s hard not to love him but watching his tennis matches are painful at times. That’s hard to say about someone who’s reached the top of the mountain.
“Absolutely (officials cut him slack). The ATP are looking at all these innovations right now — the ATP tournament where there’s a shot clock. Nadal hates it because he wouldn’t be able to do all the things he wants to do — get his towels sorted and his drink bottles and everything else.
“He’s always making everyone wait and he’s got away with it for far too long. Let’s hope with the next generation they sort that out.”
...
Channel 7 commentator Jim Courier said the chair umpire has a device to measure how long each player takes in between serves.
He said the umpire’s decision to warn Cilic on break-point down was difficult to understand when Seven statisticians recorded that Cilic went over the 25 second mark 40 per cent of the time, while Nadal was responsible for going over his allotted time 45 per cent of the time — and escaped any warning.
He said Nadal has a reputation for being a habitual line-stepper of the time allowed in between serves, but is not punished because of his stature as the No. 1 ranked player.
“She will know that these guys are going over the line,” Courier said.
“The thing for Cilic is to get one when you are down break point if you have done it so many times. That unfortunately is a pattern we see time and time again with certain umpires. They wait until the absolute worst time. Do it after the first point of a service game.
“Rafa is notorious for stretching the limits and matches take so long. That’s part of the reason.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tenni...e/news-story/2122fa1ac81ee5a2eefe606e2c43ec62
AN AUSTRALIAN tennis expert has lashed out at Rafael Nadal, saying his ugly habit has gone unpunished for far too long.
SPORTS Entertainment Network (SEN) tennis expert and Australian Open TV presenter Brett Phillips has taken aim at Rafael Nadal and tennis officials over his continual time wasting.
The Spaniard is known for pushing the boundaries — and often exceeding them — when it comes to taking advantage of the 25 seconds players are allotted between points.
He has received time violations in the past — but according to Phillips, not nearly enough. The host of SEN tennis program The First Serve says Nadal has been receiving preferential treatment for far too long because of his ranking and status in the sport.
“Grunting is one thing but there’s a bigger issue with Nadal and that’s the amount of time it takes him to play a tennis match. He gets away with absolute murder let me tell you,” Phillips told Andy Maher and Nick Dal Santo when discussing his quarter-final against Marin Cilic on SEN radio on Wednesday afternoon.
“Marin Cilic actually got a time violation. He said, ‘You’ve got to be joking.’
“Look at the bloke at the other end of the court who’s got two towels, he’s got to sort his drink bottles out — he wastes everyone’s time.
“He’s got away with it for that long.
“I love him (Nadal) and it’s hard not to love him but watching his tennis matches are painful at times. That’s hard to say about someone who’s reached the top of the mountain.
“Absolutely (officials cut him slack). The ATP are looking at all these innovations right now — the ATP tournament where there’s a shot clock. Nadal hates it because he wouldn’t be able to do all the things he wants to do — get his towels sorted and his drink bottles and everything else.
“He’s always making everyone wait and he’s got away with it for far too long. Let’s hope with the next generation they sort that out.”
...
Channel 7 commentator Jim Courier said the chair umpire has a device to measure how long each player takes in between serves.
He said the umpire’s decision to warn Cilic on break-point down was difficult to understand when Seven statisticians recorded that Cilic went over the 25 second mark 40 per cent of the time, while Nadal was responsible for going over his allotted time 45 per cent of the time — and escaped any warning.
He said Nadal has a reputation for being a habitual line-stepper of the time allowed in between serves, but is not punished because of his stature as the No. 1 ranked player.
“She will know that these guys are going over the line,” Courier said.
“The thing for Cilic is to get one when you are down break point if you have done it so many times. That unfortunately is a pattern we see time and time again with certain umpires. They wait until the absolute worst time. Do it after the first point of a service game.
“Rafa is notorious for stretching the limits and matches take so long. That’s part of the reason.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tenni...e/news-story/2122fa1ac81ee5a2eefe606e2c43ec62
clayqueen
Bionic Poster
As I said they should just come clean and call it The Rafael Nadal Rule.
Matterhorn
Rookie
He should feel honored.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
GOAT
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
I wonder what's the purpose of this article.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
You are yet again cheating readers!
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Don't try to cheat readers. Bernardes wasn't fired! Rafa asked the ATP that chair umpire Bernardes not be assigned to his matches. There are hundreds of other matches on the ATP Tour that he could/can umpire.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Don't try to cheat readers. Fed started to complain years ago.
Matterhorn
Rookie
What is your proof it was Fed's complaints (only his, no one else's, and for no other reason) that prompted the ATP to finally take action?
"Don't try to cheat readers."
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You are merely confirming that Nadal had him fired from his matches, so thanks for that.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The introduction of the new rule is worth it, if only to demonstrate the dedication of the massage girls, and, of course, to witness their meltdowns.
How else are we going to see so many epic excuses of the Abomnabull's despicable behaviour?
How else are we going to see so many epic excuses of the Abomnabull's despicable behaviour?
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Don't try to cheat readers! Fed started to complain when he was the president of the ATP Player Council (until the middle of 2014).
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Rafa did not fire him.
FHtennisman
Professional
Appealing to the umpires to enforce the rules of the sport makes you an arrogant snob but someone who openly breaks the rules is noble and a shining on-court example?
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
The story:
¤¤ After advancing to the third round at the Citi Open tournament in Washington, D.C., Shapovalov was beaten in straight sets by Japan’s Kei Nishikori 7-6(1) 6-3. He decided it was time to voice his displeasure Friday morning, although, he did not specifically refer to any one player.
The match went late into the night on Thursday, and it’s possible Shapovalov was dealing with some frustration over not being able to perform at his very best. He clearly struggled for rhythm, making just 43 per cent of his first-serves in the first set along with three double-faults.
He added three more double-faults to his tally in the second set, and failed to break Nishikori’s serve over the course of the entire match.¤¤
Jack K says: "I think he refers to Medvedev, he had a really long conversation with the umpire in the middle of a Medvedev service game. During the third set, Medvedev was so exhausted that he had to sit down on the line person's chair for like 20 seconds to get his breath back, I was actually quite surprised that he didn't even get a time warning for that."
ohiostate124
Professional
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
The introduction of the new rule is worth it, if only to demonstrate the dedication of the massage girls, and, of course, to witness their meltdowns.
How else are we going to see so many epic excuses of the Abomnabull's despicable behaviour?
Hmm. Fed devotees are whining over the new clock rule!
Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
I dont think he have started such campaign but I hope he does.The Spanish grinder needs to be forced to follow the rules
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Your fakenalysis of what the people converse about is in line with your overall realtrolling.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Hmm. Rafa bashers clearly have way too much time on their hands. Their spiteful comments keep coming, page after page.
disgruntledamsel
Professional
Kind of interesting if players were able to get an extension - like in pool, but who are we kidding, I agree with others that there is even more time allotted for points now. Imagine getting a time violation now? It would mean that you’re really taking a longgg time... no excuses now - unless some umpire has decided to race to announce the score more than before.
He doesn't waste mine.
Matterhorn
Rookie
2008:
'I've played him plenty where he took his time,' Federer said. 'I mean, it's obviously a fine line, because I think until he gets into position to serve, he takes his 20 [allowed] seconds, whatever, and then takes another 10, 15 seconds until he really serves. It's a tricky situation. But the unfortunate part, let's say, is the umpire will always give him a warning, but he will never give him a point penalty. I'm not saying he abuses it, but he never really feels the heat that much.
2012:
“I do believe the officials could be a bit more tough on timing,” Federer said. “I’m not complaining a lot, but I don’t know how you can go through a four-hour match with Rafa and he never gets a time violation. It’s natural that even I would go over time, but they never call it. There are times when they could be a bit more firm because at the end of the day I don’t know if fans are getting frustrated to watch five points that are going to take us five minutes.”
Roger's complaints over the years did not singularly lead to the creation of a shot clock as per the insinuation of your post. Many players have complained and supported a shot clock. When he was president of the council he didn't want to go that far but knew it was inevitable because the known and repeat offenders weren't changing their ways. So here we are.
"I just think it's important that we, as players, play up to speed," said Federer, adding that the issue has been discussed at player meetings. "And don't exceed the time limit, because what I don't want is that we lose viewers because we play too slow.
"What you're going to see next is all of a sudden a shot clock," Federer said. "We discussed that as well. We said we didn't need to go that far. I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen all of a sudden. Because you only just need a couple of guys always doing it, and that's when it happens."
junior74
Bionic Poster
Now they have 25 seconds from AFTER they have towelled off, so we'll get even more of the boring in-between points stuff
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Yep, Fed, who was complaining since at least from 2008, was the president of the ATP Player Council from 2008 until the middle of 2014.
Matterhorn
Rookie
You implied his complaints, regardless of when they started, as the reason for the shot clock. They are not, as it would've been in place long before 2018.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Him and every other reasonable human being the last ten years.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
i told you mooks months and months ago that the time does not start until the umpire calls the score!
of course the normal Nadal haters shouted that it started right after the point was won or lost, which was ignorant to say!
now it looks like more time will be available when needed!
thats what you get!
of course the normal Nadal haters shouted that it started right after the point was won or lost, which was ignorant to say!
now it looks like more time will be available when needed!
thats what you get!
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