Shot clock - the point isn't over until the umpire has spoken?

[Plamen1234]

Federer's shots have been going by Rafa for 4.5 years.

Nadal cant find answer for Federer since 2014 which is interesting.The same thing with Djokovic - cant beat him off clay since 2013.I also find this surprising.Nadal despite the match up advantage got beaten easily in 3 out of the last 4 meetings with Federer - I didnt expect that either.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

The new shot clock won't speed up play, as you can see from this image of the new timepiece armchair:

That's a stinker.

 

[tennis_pro]

Hmm. Bartelby's post (quoted) proves yet again that he can't take his eyes off the 'ass'.

No it's just you

 

[Deine VS]

C/P

1-5 shots - 15s ( i read somewhere that 50-70% points finish in that frame )
5-20 shots - 25s
20+ shots - no limit
Clock starts after the ball is dead. Of course it would be flexible to some degree ( crowd cheering, player fell down, bird on a court.....)
That is how I would do it.

 

[junior74]

C/P

1-5 shots - 15s ( i read somewhere that 50-70% points finish in that frame )
5-20 shots - 25s
20+ shots - no limit
Clock starts after the ball is dead. Of course it would be flexible to some degree ( crowd cheering, player fell down, bird on a court.....)
That is how I would do it.

Didn't understand these numbers...?

And I will never understand why cheering after a point should interfere with the shot clock. There's always applause. It should be possible to towel off and get balls from the ballboys while people are clapping, or is that too much to ask?

 

[BringBackWood]

I repeat: I want to see what happens.

My prediction: It will now finally become provable when players abuse the time. The clock makes it transparent. We never saw the time before. That put the ump in the middle. I think things will be more manageable.

Here's what I want to know. Does the clock get reset after a fault?

Abuse the time or abuse the time + 10 seconds? It's shifting the goalposts to accomadate players, where it of course should be the other way round. Unless you think 35 secs between points is a better standard?

As to your second point, isn't the player obliged to serve their 2nd as soon as possible ( no ball boys running)?

 

[BringBackWood]

C/P

1-5 shots - 15s ( i read somewhere that 50-70% points finish in that frame )
5-20 shots - 25s
20+ shots - no limit
Clock starts after the ball is dead. Of course it would be flexible to some degree ( crowd cheering, player fell down, bird on a court.....)
That is how I would do it.

why link it to rally length? That's where players should be forced to make decisions about tatics & shot selection if they are out of breath etc

 

[Deine VS]

Didn't understand these numbers...?

Basically if the point is over in 5 shots or less you get 15s to serve. If the rally is between 5 and 20 shots you get 25s. Over 20 shots no clock rule.

Of course there is always a applause. But how manny times it happens that the player is ready to serve and cheering didn't end?

 

[Deine VS]

why link it to rally length? That's where players should be forced to make decisions about tatics & shot selection if they are out of breath etc

If you are out of breath in 5 or less shots, you shouldn't play.

 

[junior74]

Basically if the point is over in 5 shots or less you get 15s to serve. If the rally is between 5 and 20 shots you get 25s. Over 20 shots no clock rule.

Of course there is always a applause. But how manny times it happens that the player is ready to serve and cheering didn't end?

Ah, I see... Maybe a little complicated?

Rafa:
"Hey, Carlos. Was that 19 or 20 shots?"

Bernardes:
"19. Hurry up!"

Rafa:
"But I am tired, no? And I need to think about the strategy for the next point!"

Bernardes (holds his hands on his tummy):
"Hahahahaha - Oh, sorry, Rafa - it was 20..."

(1 minute and 20 seconds later)
Bernardes:
"So, Rafa. Are you gonna serve?"

Rafa:
"Please, be quiet. I am still thinking about the strategy for next point. This is intelligent sport, no?"

 

[Bartelby]

The shot clock as viewed by a Spaniard.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

The shot clock as viewed by a Spaniard.

 

[True Fanerer]

Didn't understand these numbers...?

And I will never understand why cheering after a point should interfere with the shot clock. There's always applause. It should be possible to towel off and get balls from the ballboys while people are clapping, or is that too much to ask?

For the Nadal it is.

 

[junior74]

The shot clock as viewed by a Spaniard.

Haha, brilliant

Ticking away the moments that make up a Bull day
he plucks and he towels for hours in repetitive ways
wasting our time, while avoiding the lines on his high soles
knowing that Carlos Bernardos won't stand in his way

 

[Deine VS]

Ah, I see... Maybe a little complicated?

You think it's hard to program a computer to do that???

 

[True Fanerer]

Nadal cant find answer for Federer since 2014 which is interesting.The same thing with Djokovic - cant beat him off clay since 2013.I also find this surprising.Nadal despite the match up advantage got beaten easily in 3 out of the last 4 meetings with Federer - I didnt expect that either.

Just think if Nadal had met him more in 2015.

 

[octobrina10]

Thank you for posting a picture of what happened to Fed's animal.

 

[junior74]

You think it's hard to program a computer to do that???

Hahaha, no my old Commodore 64 would probably suffice

But I can imagine the players would find it distracting.

 

[Deine VS]

But I can imagine the players would find it distracting.

You are probably right

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Didn't understand these numbers...?

And I will never understand why cheering after a point should interfere with the shot clock. There's always applause. It should be possible to towel off and get balls from the ballboys while people are clapping, or is that too much to ask?

It is a sweet irony that the fans of the guy who is supposed to be the best in adverse playing conditions are rallying behind the requirement to get more time in order for the player to start with his pre-serving rituals in absolute silence.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Thank you for posting a picture of what happened to Fed's animal.

The one in the vive's picture is a statue, and the other in the picture you posted is a living creature, so you are spreading fake stories.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

The shot clock as viewed by a Spaniard.

Damn flies!

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Damn flies!

My god you are one desperate poster

 

[Gary Duane]

Abuse the time or abuse the time + 10 seconds? It's shifting the goalposts to accomadate players, where it of course should be the other way round. Unless you think 35 secs between points is a better standard?

As to your second point, isn't the player obliged to serve their 2nd as soon as possible ( no ball boys running)?

This is weird. It seems like you want to fight with me.

No, I do not think that 35 seconds between points should be the standard.

But I have timed carefully for YEARS now. Have YOU done the same thing?

The umps have never started timing at the exact end of the last point.

I would assume that at present they CAN call out the score immediately, right after a DF or an ace. I haven't checked enough to to know exactly what they are all doing.

The perception of time passing is not the same when the last point is very long with an exceptional amount of running. I am not personally bothered at all when a point lasts 15, or 20 or 25 strokes, the crowd goes nuts in appreciation and the score is called out after things calm down.

I've seen Nadal AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN delay way more than 25 seconds AFTER things have calmed down, and also Djokovic and a few others.

So I think ON AVERAGE the pace will be quicker for the really slow players.

Your point about players gaming the clock, deliberately taking more time, is valid. We don't know yet how often this will happen. I suspect that Nadal will take every second for every point, JUST AS HE ALWAYS HAS IN THE PAST.

Now, I'm done. If you want to argue, argue with someone else.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

My god you are one desperate poster

It was just a joke.

Loosen up.

Don’t you have a sense of humour?