Should Djokovic and his fans be worried about Zverev heading into the US Open?

Should Djokovic and his fans be worried about Zverev?


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Jokervich

Hall of Fame
Zverev beat Djokovic at the Olympics, pushed him close in Australia + won 2 masters titles this year, including Cincinnati looking particularly strong there. He has got that huge serve and big ground game that can blow you off the court. Should Djokovic and his fans be worried about him, do you think? Poll included.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Zverev beat Djokovic at the Olympics, pushed him close in Australia + won 2 masters titles this year, including Cincinnati looking particularly strong there. He has got that huge serve and big ground game that can blow you off the court. Should Djokovic and his fans be worried about him, do you think? Poll included.
He also beat Nole at the YEC; SO WHAT? Sascha hasn't proven he can beat any top player 3 of 5 sets! He's blown 2-0 leads more than once! He probably won't even make the final! He's peaked too soon fighting to win that Cincy Masters when down MP! He should have saved himself for Flushing! Mark my words, he'll be gone the 1st week! :p
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
He also beat Nole at the YEC; SO WHAT? Sascha hasn't proven he can beat any top player 3 of 5 sets! He's blown 2-0 leads more than once! He probably won't even make the final! He's peaked too soon fighting to win that Cincy Masters when down MP! He should have saved himself for Flushing! Mark my words, he'll be gone the 1st week! :p
What about in Australia? That match was pretty close, only decided on some key points. Djokovic had to dig deep for that win. Also he came close to beating Tsitsipas at RG, most in form clay player.
 

FedrMatt

Semi-Pro
Yep, if Novak draws Zverev at the USO, he should prepare to lose.

It’ll be a tussle, but I see Novak expecting to sleepwalk his way through it (like the olympics) only to get stunned. If not by Zverev, then by someone else.
 

Visionary

Professional
I really don't think that Djoker, or any top players for that matter, focuses on one great opponent only (or mostly). That'd probably be an unprofessional mistake which mostly amateurs make (and so they lose to someone unexpectedly for they have not prepared). At the top level, pros most often pay attention to their individual matches one by one as the draw is set.
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
I’m not worried about any next gen just based on the fact it’s BO5 which none having beating Djokovic.
Based on levels coming in the hardest will be Zverev then Med
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
beating Zverev in the final would put a cap on an extraordinary grand slam season for Djokovic.
at AO: he beat the most in form player on a 20 match winning streak Medman
at FO: he beat the most in form player on clay this year Tsitsman
at WI: he beat the most in form player on grass this year Berrettini
at USO: will he beat the currently most in form player and OG Gold medalist Zverev ?
 

Open Stance

Semi-Pro
What makes Djokovic so hard to beat is his consistency and lack of a real weakness. Opponents usually have to play at or near a red line level throughout an entire match to beat him and that's really hard to do. It's obviously easier in BO3 which is why Novak is more prone to lose a tournament like the Olympics. We all know that Stan has done it a few times in slams but Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev have yet to sustain that red line level needed to beat Novak in BO5.

Zverev is playing at level that will threaten Novak. Can he do it for 4 hours is the question.
 

pcft369

Rookie
Yep, if Novak draws Zverev at the USO, he should prepare to lose.

It’ll be a tussle, but I see Novak expecting to sleepwalk his way through it (like the olympics) only to get stunned. If not by Zverev, then by someone else.
Not a Novak fan, so that's a great scenario!
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
I would hope any pro player would be slightly worried by any opponent who won their most recent meeting, especially one played a month ago on the same surface.

Djokovic in this specific case should definitely be worried as Zverev has easier power and the big serve, along with improved consistency in court coverage and patience. It was just Cincy and just the Olympics, but Zed did look the part this summer. Of course a slam is a far different proposition but you don’t get to 20 slams by underestimating your opponents. I think Djoko will have a few Plan Bs and Cs prepared.

By the same token though, every player who faced Djokovic (especially his recent scalps in Zed, Med, Berre, Tsitsi, Shapo) will have a distinct plan for him as well. In 2021 at this level, everyone prepares in tennis and everyone worries.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
The thing I am starting to sense with the Nexgen is they seem to be going about their business in a much more routine manner now. In other words, keep doing what you’re doing, and the results will eventually come. The fact that Roger and Rafa are very ostensibly on their way into the sunset seems to have given these guys some perspective. Whereas in the last 2-3 years every time they faced one of the Big 3 there was so much expectation that they simply could not meet. Put another way, time favors the young blood now. So each time Djoker faces one of these guys, the advantage will be shifting away from him and to the Nexgen. It’s what Roger has been dealing with for 10 years now.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
I know that people will say Zverev has never beaten Djokovic in a Best 3 out of 5.

However, what I saw at the Olympics was a determined Zverev with a clear gameplan vs Djokovic.

If that determination, gameplan and % of first Serve is present, Djokovic might be in trouble this time around.
 

socallefty

Legend
I felt that Zverev was outplaying Djokovic from the baseline and during most long points at the AO this January. He was winning most of the BH-BH rallies as Djokovic no longer has the GOAT BH he used to have. Zverev choked on his own serve with some untimely DFs when he was up a break in the last two sets and Djokovic took advantage by serving extremely well. I think the experience should have given Zverev a lot of confidence for future hard court Slams and he is on an emotional high after his victory to bust Djokovic’s dreams of a Golden Slam. If Djokovic has to play Zverev after a tough 5-set match against one of the other young guns in the heat and humidity of New York, he might be ripe for an upset. But, I would never predict it due to Zverev’s propensity to choke in Slams and Djokovic‘s indomitable will in contrast.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
Every slam we have some naive chump who feels compelled to declare the Next Gen is finally ready to breakthrough and every slam the result is the same.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Every slam we have some naive chump who feels compelled to declare the Next Gen is finally ready to breakthrough and every slam the result is the same.
They just figure if they do it now until their death, they'll eventually get it right at least once. Pretty sure I've already seen OP himself try to gas up Next Germ I mean Gen 5-6 times before slams at this point.
 

Dominic & Andrey

Hall of Fame
They just figure if they do it now until their death, they'll eventually get it right at least once. Pretty sure I've already seen OP himself try to gas up Next Germ I mean Gen 5-6 times before slams at this point.
Then let's talk about nothing basically, because talking endlessly about how Next Gen is awful is just as boring and repetitive
I think the naysayer you quoted should stop watching tennis if he knows what will happen, because the sport look very annoying to him
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Then let's talk about nothing basically, because talking endlessly about how Next Gen is awful is just as boring and repetitive
Nothing sounds better than false hype to me at this point tbh. I don't dunk on Next Gen at every opportunity but waiting to gas them up until they actually do something in a slam sounds good to me.

Zverev is the most promising of the bunch at the moment but he still has zero top ten slam wins and his fitness is suspect in Bo5's. His serve is also prone to complete disappearing acts and like the rest of his generation he is not that great at handling the match within a match so to speak when it comes to long Bo5 affairs.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
NextGens are firm favourites for the title :laughing:
Their best hope of beating Djokovic is to have a match where basically nothing goes wrong so that they cannot tilt off of the face of the earth and lose that way. Since that's basically impossible to achieve over the course of a Bo5 set match, they will have to prove something they have collectively been unable to do their entire careers thus far - handle the ebbs and flows and adversity that comes with the longer format matches.

They're great Bo3 players. No doubt about it. Getting better by the tournament at it. But....we all know that's not what slams are.

I was sort of high on Medvedev and Zverev as Cincy progressed but Medvedev did his age old capitulation where one largely inconsequential point that goes wrong makes him lose the plot completely. He's not like Andy Murray who could channel his rage productively. Meddy looks like Gasquet versus the Big 3 when he gets upset / unnerved.

I would say Zverev is the most trustworthy of the bunch to close it out but then I remember him being unable to close it out against Thiem - so if he's planning to do it versus Djokovic I would imagine he best hope it is not in a final.
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Always gotta be a little worried, keeps you sharp. Generally though, probably shouldn't worry that much...
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Their best hope of beating Djokovic is to have a match where basically nothing goes wrong so that they cannot tilt off of the face of the earth and lose that way. Since that's basically impossible to achieve over the course of a Bo5 set match, they will have to prove something they have collectively been unable to do their entire careers thus far - handle the ebbs and flows and adversity that comes with the longer format matches.

They're great Bo3 players. No doubt about it. Getting better by the tournament at it. But....we all know that's not what slams are.

I was sort of high on Medvedev and Zverev as Cincy progressed but Medvedev did his age old capitulation where one largely inconsequential point that goes wrong makes him lose the plot completely. He's not like Andy Murray who could channel his rage productively. Meddy looks like Gasquet versus the Big 3 when he gets upset / unnerved.

I would say Zverev is the most trustworthy of the bunch to close it out but then I remember him being unable to close it out against Thiem - so if he's planning to do it versus Djokovic I would imagine he best hope it is not in a final.
Zed's not dead, I agree. If his game doesn't break down, he can do things. His brain is highly questionable, though.
 

Visionary

Professional
Zverev is the most promising of the bunch at the moment...
Yes, he plays very well now but why the hype? There was only a three point difference in the final third set tiebreak with Tsitsi who incredibly squandered his third set lead. Moreover, there was a hand of the Cinci management that defeated Meddy in the other semi vs Rublev who was down (and out) prior to the nonsensical camera incident. In a nutshell, Zverev escaped and just squeaked through the Tsitsi anxiety and then the possibility of Meddy who did not just lose on his own, and that all is just neglected as if Meddy or Tsitsi got the Cinci crown the German's success would have been overshaddowed by the Greek's or Russian's quick rise.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Zed's not dead, I agree. If his game doesn't break down, he can do things. His brain is highly questionable, though.
Brain, serve and fitness all a question mark for me. I know people said he was apparently sick against Tsitsipas or whatever but my man was sucking wind in the third set. Not exactly a ringing endorsement to give me confidence in his fitness in a long grueling Bo5 under the New York sun....against anybody not just Djokovic.

That's Zverev's other problem. Can he beat anyone on tour? Yep. Would I be surprised if he lost to some barely top 50 player in one of the early rounds? Nope.
 
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Deleted member 776614

Guest
If Kyrgios shows up, Zverev will be the farthest thing from his mind.
 

ark_28

Legend
I respect his level but honestly I am not that worried.
Firstly at the Olympics Novak was running on empty and he still was hammering Zverev till he hit a brick wall.
Secondly Zverev still shows signs of choking under pressure look at last years US Open final I am sure there is a lot of scar tissue there and even in the final in Cincinnati he got broken from nowhere when serving for the title but he was lucky in that Rublev was an error machine so it didn’t really cost him.
Thirdly Zverev has not beaten a top ten player in a slam and while I am sure he will put that right soon, I do think he has a lot to prove before any Novak fan should be truly worried about Zverev in a slam
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Zverev, Tsisipas and Medvedev have all beat Djokovic, but not at Slams. At some point, they will. I'm worried about all three, and more.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
In a direct encouter, possibly yes, although Djokovic would still be the favourite. However, I doubt Zverev will reach Djokovic. He is still Zverev which means he can always have that one bad day where he can lose to anyone.
 
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Deleted member 776614

Guest
Zverev and Tsitsi are both Federer fans, so maybe they'll have a little extra fight to keep Fed's goat status.
 
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